meandmyself
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So sad for the family
7 year old girl killed
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Orangehorse
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I wouldn't buy a quad bike for children unless it was one of the "walking pace" ones and always under adult supervision.
Two children were riding their bikes on their own land and the one ran over the other accidentally and killed it.
Then there was the boy whose scarf got wound round the wheel and it broke his neck. That isn't counting the overturning, the rolling over, etc.
Two children were riding their bikes on their own land and the one ran over the other accidentally and killed it.
Then there was the boy whose scarf got wound round the wheel and it broke his neck. That isn't counting the overturning, the rolling over, etc.
WishfulThinker
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My dad says it is natural selection and to let them get on with it (he doesnt do pc). Darwin theory!
If you ever watch the film Idiocracy you will soon agree to some degree.
Bu either way - chavvy or not - it was stupid, and a child of 7 should not be out on a road in the dark full stop - not on rollerskates/skateboard/scooter/bike/pony/quad.
If you ever watch the film Idiocracy you will soon agree to some degree.
Bu either way - chavvy or not - it was stupid, and a child of 7 should not be out on a road in the dark full stop - not on rollerskates/skateboard/scooter/bike/pony/quad.
the watcher
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I do hope for your father's sake that nothing awful ever happens to somebody he cares about - it is very easy to say these things when your life hasn't been touched by freak accidents or other disasters.
Sadly over the years i have seen too many innocent victims of accidents who truely had done nothing to contribute to their demise
In this case though it does sound as though the parents had been monumentally stupid
Sadly over the years i have seen too many innocent victims of accidents who truely had done nothing to contribute to their demise
In this case though it does sound as though the parents had been monumentally stupid
martyna
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said on news that lady driving rangerovers drink test came back negative. so give her a break ..sure she feels bad enough , how many of you would be expecting a 7 yr old child on a quad on a public road with no lights to come round the corner ? not me . vv sad but a tragic accident .
skewbaldpony
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absolutely, but you can drive too fast sober as well, you know.
I agree 101% the kid should not have been there. I don't know the road, but I know the tiny lane where I live, and I would prefer it if people drove slowly enought to avoid a cat, a loose calf, or other unexpected hazard, perhaps even a child with totally irresponsible/stupid parents. Though I agree, in the dark, that could still be a tough call.
The 'unrestricted' speed sign does not obligate us to drive at 60mph. In my opinion, where two cars cannot pass, the speed limit should be 20mph, and if you are in more of a hurry than that, go live somewhere with a bigger road.
I agree 101% the kid should not have been there. I don't know the road, but I know the tiny lane where I live, and I would prefer it if people drove slowly enought to avoid a cat, a loose calf, or other unexpected hazard, perhaps even a child with totally irresponsible/stupid parents. Though I agree, in the dark, that could still be a tough call.
The 'unrestricted' speed sign does not obligate us to drive at 60mph. In my opinion, where two cars cannot pass, the speed limit should be 20mph, and if you are in more of a hurry than that, go live somewhere with a bigger road.
WishfulThinker
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I do hope for your father's sake that nothing awful ever happens to somebody he cares about - it is very easy to say these things when your life hasn't been touched by freak accidents or other disasters.
Sadly over the years i have seen too many innocent victims of accidents who truely had done nothing to contribute to their demise
In this case though it does sound as though the parents had been monumentally stupid
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He says it in reference to what some would call - chavvs, the ones who if they were animals would not survive nor breed and continue to fill the world full of increasingly dim and dimmer people.
These people in THIS instance DID contribute to their won demise.
I do hope for your father's sake that nothing awful ever happens to somebody he cares about - it is very easy to say these things when your life hasn't been touched by freak accidents or other disasters.
Sadly over the years i have seen too many innocent victims of accidents who truely had done nothing to contribute to their demise
In this case though it does sound as though the parents had been monumentally stupid
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He says it in reference to what some would call - chavvs, the ones who if they were animals would not survive nor breed and continue to fill the world full of increasingly dim and dimmer people.
These people in THIS instance DID contribute to their won demise.
spaniel
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Whilst I feel very sad that a child has died I cannot in any way understand the parents of this little girl. There is NO excuse for allowing ANY child under 16 onto the road with ANYTHING motorised....its illegal. Anyone who buys one of these quads will have had it pinted out to them that they would be breaking the law by using it on the road if under 16. This wasnt a walking pace quad either but a powerful and costly motor vehicle.
Would any of you hand over your car keys to a 7 year old and let them get on with it?
I feel dreadful for the woman driving the RR, she will live with this for the rest of her life.
Would any of you hand over your car keys to a 7 year old and let them get on with it?
I feel dreadful for the woman driving the RR, she will live with this for the rest of her life.
the watcher
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If we were all dumb animals Chavs would survive, they would hunt in packs. In the jungle superior intellect counts for very little.
Nothing will bring that child back, no amount of criticism, or blame. She certainly wasn't old enough to make informed decisions about what was safe.
Nothing will bring that child back, no amount of criticism, or blame. She certainly wasn't old enough to make informed decisions about what was safe.
WishfulThinker
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Nope, which is why I wholeheartedly blame the parents, not only for her ceath but for the suffering of the poor woman in the car that hit her - she also has to live with that all her life! SHE gets my sympathy, the girls brother gets my sympathy. the parents, I feel sorry for their loss but it is self inflicted so sympathy is held back.
Baggybreeches
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Replying to my own post so as not to cause offence!
Quad bikes are as lethal as cars, but with far less protection, as someone who grew up in a farming background, I know of a few children and adults killed in accidents regarding quads.
I am not suggesting that anybody who supervises their children using them in an appropriate place is an arsehole ( I taught my stepdaughter to drive at 12 ON PRIVATE LAND!), but the vast majority of 'nouveau rich' parents dont have the sense they were born with.
Quad bikes are as lethal as cars, but with far less protection, as someone who grew up in a farming background, I know of a few children and adults killed in accidents regarding quads.
I am not suggesting that anybody who supervises their children using them in an appropriate place is an arsehole ( I taught my stepdaughter to drive at 12 ON PRIVATE LAND!), but the vast majority of 'nouveau rich' parents dont have the sense they were born with.
flyingfeet
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Actually I think the fact it was a quad is irrelevant here. Whether on a bike, pony or quad, at 7pm in pitch black she'd have been killed either way.
I agree quads are dangerous, but so are ponies, roads, skate boards, steps, hay bales etc etc
However if you don't have somewhere to ride them (i.e. land that you own or are allowed on), I cannot see the point in buying them.
I agree quads are dangerous, but so are ponies, roads, skate boards, steps, hay bales etc etc
However if you don't have somewhere to ride them (i.e. land that you own or are allowed on), I cannot see the point in buying them.
skewbaldpony
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However if you don't have somewhere to ride them (i.e. land that you own or are allowed on), I cannot see the point in buying them.
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That was kind of my point, CotswoldSJ - people seem to overlook the fact that they are not equipped (in any sense of the word) to deal with these things. It would be like me deciding to buy my children all the kit for water skiing or something. What's the point? Just to outdo the neighbours most of the time.
However if you don't have somewhere to ride them (i.e. land that you own or are allowed on), I cannot see the point in buying them.
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That was kind of my point, CotswoldSJ - people seem to overlook the fact that they are not equipped (in any sense of the word) to deal with these things. It would be like me deciding to buy my children all the kit for water skiing or something. What's the point? Just to outdo the neighbours most of the time.
Governor
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The accident happened no more than a mile from me. The roads round here are dangerous light or dark (in particular the one I live on which has been littered with cars in ditches every winter) and the biggest mistake of most drivers is assuming they know the road - and assuming that they'll always be as quiet as they normally are. I'm sure anyone who has arrived at Norton Heath from the village end (as opposed to the A414) will know what I mean.
Its tragic but I think its very difficult to lay blame on one person in particular - i'd imagine the driver made the mistake of thinking they know the road and probably driving slightly too fast and the parents fault for letting the children on the road, on their quads (illegally) in the dark.
Personally on a large farm with numerous acres and the whole of Boxing day (albeit i'm told Elizabeth had been out with the hunt in the morning and stayed with the field until 4pm approx) I can't understand why the kids weren't trying out their christmas presents on their premisis but i'm guessing they wanted to show their friend/neighbour their presents which is just unfortunate.
Its tragic but I think its very difficult to lay blame on one person in particular - i'd imagine the driver made the mistake of thinking they know the road and probably driving slightly too fast and the parents fault for letting the children on the road, on their quads (illegally) in the dark.
Personally on a large farm with numerous acres and the whole of Boxing day (albeit i'm told Elizabeth had been out with the hunt in the morning and stayed with the field until 4pm approx) I can't understand why the kids weren't trying out their christmas presents on their premisis but i'm guessing they wanted to show their friend/neighbour their presents which is just unfortunate.
skewbaldpony
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I'm sorry, I don't fiind it 'just unfortunate' that a child was on a public highway in the dark on an unlicensed vehicle without lights. I really don't. Especially if as you say they had private land on which to play with it.
antiantianti
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Having such large and clever brains comes at a huge cost. They have definitely helped us survive and become a dominant species.
In the jungle superior intellect counts for very little.
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Having such large and clever brains comes at a huge cost. They have definitely helped us survive and become a dominant species.
antiantianti
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I agree quads are dangerous, but so are ponies, roads, skate boards, steps, hay bales etc etc
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However IMO the other side of the coin is that letting children take risks helps them develop.
I agree quads are dangerous, but so are ponies, roads, skate boards, steps, hay bales etc etc
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However IMO the other side of the coin is that letting children take risks helps them develop.
Baggybreeches
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However IMO the other side of the coin is that letting children take risks helps them develop.
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Yes I quite agree, but surely BREAKING THE LAW is not a risk worth taking?
A child trusts that an adult has enough judgement and common sense not to endanger their life, this is not a case of taking risks, it is breaking the law and they have paid the ultimate sacrifice for their stupidity/madness.
However IMO the other side of the coin is that letting children take risks helps them develop.
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Yes I quite agree, but surely BREAKING THE LAW is not a risk worth taking?
A child trusts that an adult has enough judgement and common sense not to endanger their life, this is not a case of taking risks, it is breaking the law and they have paid the ultimate sacrifice for their stupidity/madness.
skewbaldpony
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risk taking has to be assessed. How likely is it that the risk will happen, and what is the severity of the hazard if it does?
Riding accident? Likelihood governed to some extent by experience and ability of rider/ superivising parent, and to a large extent by the circumstances (eg enclosed ring or A road). Child on suitable pony in a safe space, maybe the likelihood is a 4. Hazard, taking 1 as a broken fingernail and 10 as death, is probably also a 4. I'm going to risk a 4/4 for the sake of my ten year old's personal development.
Child on quad bike, no lights on public road? That's at least 8/10. That's got to be up there with serving in Iraq. Not a sensible risk to take.
Do I think like this all the time? Yes, to be honest, for making decisions like this, I do. Call me boring!
Riding accident? Likelihood governed to some extent by experience and ability of rider/ superivising parent, and to a large extent by the circumstances (eg enclosed ring or A road). Child on suitable pony in a safe space, maybe the likelihood is a 4. Hazard, taking 1 as a broken fingernail and 10 as death, is probably also a 4. I'm going to risk a 4/4 for the sake of my ten year old's personal development.
Child on quad bike, no lights on public road? That's at least 8/10. That's got to be up there with serving in Iraq. Not a sensible risk to take.
Do I think like this all the time? Yes, to be honest, for making decisions like this, I do. Call me boring!
ReadyTeddy
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you are so right. and that driver will have to live with herself forever even if she was not at fault. you have to feel sorry for her not just the parents.
antiantianti
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I do think that there is a tendency to pounce on people when they take risks and things go wrong. The Mccann saga is a classic case.
skewbaldpony
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Don't lets get started on that one. I knew someone would say, oh those poor parents, they have paid the ultimate price, a la McCann.
No. they haven't. The kid has. Again.
No. they haven't. The kid has. Again.
Baggybreeches
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NOt pouncing on people, but the woman driving the Range Rover, will have to live the rest of her life with the shadow of the girls death hanging over her, in the dark on a country road a child on a mini quad is no more visible than a dog or a deer.
The facts are that the quad were not road registered and as such did not require lights etc, it is an inexcusable risk to put childrens lives in danger in such a way.
As kids we used to cycle over to relatives quite some way away, if there was any risk of us not making it back in time our bikes were left there and we were driven home.
The facts are that the quad were not road registered and as such did not require lights etc, it is an inexcusable risk to put childrens lives in danger in such a way.
As kids we used to cycle over to relatives quite some way away, if there was any risk of us not making it back in time our bikes were left there and we were driven home.
antiantianti
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mmm well I don't really see it as paying a price. I'm not justifying what the parents did and they clearly shouldn't have let them drive on the road. However at the end of the day it was an accident. We all take risks and if nothing happens no one thinks the worse of us.
Extremely risk averse parents damage their children as well IMO.
ps I was driving my dad's car on the lane age 9.
Extremely risk averse parents damage their children as well IMO.
ps I was driving my dad's car on the lane age 9.
hotellie
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i'd imagine the driver made the mistake of thinking they know the road and probably driving slightly too fast
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i think even if the driver was driving reasonably slowly(which she may have been) the girl would have dies as she was only seven so small and it was a big car a range rover. and the woman had no hope of seeing her really!
i'd imagine the driver made the mistake of thinking they know the road and probably driving slightly too fast
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i think even if the driver was driving reasonably slowly(which she may have been) the girl would have dies as she was only seven so small and it was a big car a range rover. and the woman had no hope of seeing her really!
joshesmum
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My OH has a quad its fully road legal and my 11 year old son is always asking if he can go on the back of it with his dad but i wont allow it,so allowing a 7 year old to ride on the road is totally beyond belief some parents dont deseve to have kids.
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lilym
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That would be me!!! I have just bought my kids a quad for their Christmas for use at the farm, NOT on public roads! I am NOT an ar*****le for your information.I find that comment hugely offending and presumptious. My kids ride the quad in a small flat field wearing correctly fitted helmets, proper quad gloves and goggles and to top it off they wear hi- viz vests so i can easily keep an eye on them at all times. They also have a strap that pulls the key out and stops the quad if the should fall off AND it has a remote control that will cut it off at the touch of a button!! so please don`t presume to say that any parent who buys their kids a quad is irresponsible.
My kids are 6 & 7years old BTW
I suppose i should have bought them a Nintendo Wii so that they can stay inside where it is safe??
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i have to say i agree with you SM, your children will learn to respect the quad, and i bet it's not a full size adult jobbie?! people think nothing of overhorsing their kids, yet say a quad is irresponsible
my little cousin started riding trail moto cross bikes at the age of 7, he is got to be one of the top junior riders in the country - so were my aunt and uncle irresponsible a*seholes then??? sure he took a few tumbles, but did no more damage then falling off a push bike, he was not allowed near a public road until he passed his bike test at 17!
i do think the parents in question were out of their minds to let a small child on the road on a quad, in fact TBH i have issues with young children riding push bikes on roads when it is obvious they are not in control of it.......
quads should only be bought for children if you have suitable private land for them to ride on safetley - which you do - so much better for them to be out in the air than stuck in front of a ruddy computer, risking death by heart attack before 40
they are children for god sake not porcelaine dolls....
That would be me!!! I have just bought my kids a quad for their Christmas for use at the farm, NOT on public roads! I am NOT an ar*****le for your information.I find that comment hugely offending and presumptious. My kids ride the quad in a small flat field wearing correctly fitted helmets, proper quad gloves and goggles and to top it off they wear hi- viz vests so i can easily keep an eye on them at all times. They also have a strap that pulls the key out and stops the quad if the should fall off AND it has a remote control that will cut it off at the touch of a button!! so please don`t presume to say that any parent who buys their kids a quad is irresponsible.
My kids are 6 & 7years old BTW
I suppose i should have bought them a Nintendo Wii so that they can stay inside where it is safe??
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i have to say i agree with you SM, your children will learn to respect the quad, and i bet it's not a full size adult jobbie?! people think nothing of overhorsing their kids, yet say a quad is irresponsible
my little cousin started riding trail moto cross bikes at the age of 7, he is got to be one of the top junior riders in the country - so were my aunt and uncle irresponsible a*seholes then??? sure he took a few tumbles, but did no more damage then falling off a push bike, he was not allowed near a public road until he passed his bike test at 17!
i do think the parents in question were out of their minds to let a small child on the road on a quad, in fact TBH i have issues with young children riding push bikes on roads when it is obvious they are not in control of it.......
quads should only be bought for children if you have suitable private land for them to ride on safetley - which you do - so much better for them to be out in the air than stuck in front of a ruddy computer, risking death by heart attack before 40
Baggybreeches
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Yes, but the fact remains they were breaking the law!!!
FYI my cousins are/were both grass track and dirt track riders, but the people who participate in a sport have a deeper understanding of the consequences.
FYI my cousins are/were both grass track and dirt track riders, but the people who participate in a sport have a deeper understanding of the consequences.
alleycat
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Under these circumstances that is a really unpleasant thingto say.
I suppose this was a double error of judgement, wasn't it; parents and driver; both perhaps knowing the road and thinking it was home, it was safe.
Despite all the condemnation. as a parent (and relatively careful one, I think) in the end it really is a matter of "there but for the grace of God"; I can think of a dozen times when my daughter could have been hurt or even killed had something gone a bit wrong- and I think thats true of any honest parent. I suspect anyone who feels otherwise is either overprotective or has no imagination.
some parents dont deseve to have kids.
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Under these circumstances that is a really unpleasant thingto say.
I suppose this was a double error of judgement, wasn't it; parents and driver; both perhaps knowing the road and thinking it was home, it was safe.
Despite all the condemnation. as a parent (and relatively careful one, I think) in the end it really is a matter of "there but for the grace of God"; I can think of a dozen times when my daughter could have been hurt or even killed had something gone a bit wrong- and I think thats true of any honest parent. I suspect anyone who feels otherwise is either overprotective or has no imagination.
Horseymum
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It would appear that the truth is now coming out over what actually happened.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/ar...in_page_id=1770
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/ar...in_page_id=1770