7 year old girl killed

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I suppose i should have bought them a Nintendo Wii so that they can stay inside where it is safe??


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A wii is not entirely safe either. There have been some nasty accidents with the two player boxing game.
 
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some parents dont deseve to have kids.

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Under these circumstances that is a really unpleasant thingto say.

I suppose this was a double error of judgement, wasn't it; parents and driver; both perhaps knowing the road and thinking it was home, it was safe.

Despite all the condemnation. as a parent (and relatively careful one, I think) in the end it really is a matter of "there but for the grace of God"; I can think of a dozen times when my daughter could have been hurt or even killed had something gone a bit wrong- and I think thats true of any honest parent. I suspect anyone who feels otherwise is either overprotective or has no imagination.

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Im sorry but i dont think what ive said is unpleasant at all the law states that they shouldnt of been riding on the road allbeit a country lane or whatever.Im a parent myself and its not a case of being overprotective or having no imagination but using a bit of common sense. There is no such thing as a safe road no matter how close to home it is or where it is,its not only the child thats lost her life to the parents stupidity but the poor driver who has to live with the little girls death for the rest of her life,its a death that could so easily of been prevented.
 
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I feel sorry for anyone who has lost a child, no matter the circumstances but, knowing full well what a dangerous and <u>illegal</u> activity this was for children, I do feel that the parents should be brought to justice for this.

It is a terrible loss to lose a child but it does not mean that they are above the law. They <u>knowingly</u> broke the law and allowed their children to ride those vehicles on the roads.

It was the parents responsibility to oversee the safety, and well being, of the children. In this, they failed.

We are all capable of making mistakes, for this I am aware, but there comes a line where you can not just sweep something under the carpet, as a mistake, but have to take the responsibility for the actions.

I feel desperately sorry for the lady driver. She will, due to being at the wheel of the vehicle that ultimately caused the death of a child (whether or not it was her fault), remember this for the rest of her life.

The child's life was cut short, not be the women who hit her, but by the parents utter lack of common sense.
 
joshesmum, if you can make a comment as crass as that and think that its not unpleasant at all-

I don't know how old your kids are (mine has reached 17 , so I must be doing something right) but I'm guessing yours are young or still at home. Next time one is hurt or injured or has a near miss through some accident that could have been prevented, as happens in most peoples lives at some time, try your remark on for size and see how you would feel if your kid had actually died through some over-confidence or misjudgement of your own.
 
Im not stupid enough to allow my kids to ride on the road one is 7 and one is 11 the laws are there for a reason these parents broke the law and their poor daughter has paid the price end of.
 
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I feel sorry for anyone who has lost a child, no matter the circumstances but, knowing full well what a dangerous and <u>illegal</u> activity this was for children, I do feel that the parents should be brought to justice for this.

It is a terrible loss to lose a child but it does not mean that they are above the law. They <u>knowingly</u> broke the law and allowed their children to ride those vehicles on the roads.

It was the parents responsibility to oversee the safety, and well being, of the children. In this, they failed.

We are all capable of making mistakes, for this I am aware, but there comes a line where you can not just sweep something under the carpet, as a mistake, but have to take the responsibility for the actions.

I feel desperately sorry for the lady driver. She will, due to being at the wheel of the vehicle that ultimately caused the death of a child (whether or not it was her fault), remember this for the rest of her life.

The child's life was cut short, not be the women who hit her, but by the parents utter lack of common sense.

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I agree totally
 
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mmm well I don't really see it as paying a price. I'm not justifying what the parents did and they clearly shouldn't have let them drive on the road. However at the end of the day it was an accident. We all take risks and if nothing happens no one thinks the worse of us.

Extremely risk averse parents damage their children as well IMO.

ps I was driving my dad's car on the lane age 9.
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[/ QUOTE ] I would venture a guess that you don't have children yet? Sensible parents just don't take crazy risks like letting their child drive a motorised vehicle without lights on a dark road. Like someone above said, sensible parents take calculated risks. They don't try to eliminate all risk, instead they introduce some risky, but character building activity with some safety measures. e.g. riding, but picking a sensible pony for the novice child, having them wear a hat and not ride on the road in the dark!
 
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joshesmum, if you can make a comment as crass as that and think that its not unpleasant at all-

I don't know how old your kids are (mine has reached 17 , so I must be doing something right) but I'm guessing yours are young or still at home. Next time one is hurt or injured or has a near miss through some accident that could have been prevented, as happens in most peoples lives at some time, try your remark on for size and see how you would feel if your kid had actually died through some over-confidence or misjudgement of your own.

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No!!!!!!!!!
It's McCann syndrome. Everyone you spoke to was chanting 'We've all done it' because it said so in the media. When asked what it was we'd all done, they came out with something like 'turned my back on my toddler for 30 seconds in the garden, see, it could have happened to him...' NO IT COULDN'T ! That is not the same as leaving three toddlers unattended in a strange place and going out on the raz!
Just as the normal, run of the mill risks that children take, and their parents allow them to, like riding their bikes in daylight, or having a riding lesson ARE NOT THE SAME as allowing them on the road, in the dark, in a powerful vehicle ILLEGALLY.
God forbid that anything awful should happen to joshesmum's children, or anyone else's, but there is a difference between accident and negligence, indeed criminal negligence, and the tears and flowers brigade seem to lose the distinction.
 
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I would venture a guess that you don't have children yet? Sensible parents just don't take crazy risks like letting their child drive a motorised vehicle without lights on a dark road. Like someone above said, sensible parents take calculated risks. They don't try to eliminate all risk, instead they introduce some risky, but character building activity with some safety measures. e.g. riding, but picking a sensible pony for the novice child, having them wear a hat and not ride on the road in the dark!

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I've got three kids actually.

I haven't said that it's ok to let a kid drive a motorised vehicle in the dark. In fact what you are saying has pretty much echoed what I have said.
 
So tragic yet so Avoidable! What on earth were they thinking? They and the driver will have to live with it for the rest of their lives!!

Have had similar problems locally with those stupid little kids’ motor cycles and idiots buying them and letting children ride them on the roads! A close may be quiet but it's still a road!!

It all stopped suddenly when the local Police began confiscating them for no tax and insurance, they picked other expensive presents for their kids this year, a WII is much safer!!!
 
Unbelievable. I cannot begin to think what part of buying a quad bike for a child, then letting said child ride it on a public road in the dark, these parents thought was a good idea. Adults have enough trouble with these things (the almost fatal accidents of Rik Mayall and Ozzy Osbourne being two examples) let alone kids. They are not the same as ponies or bicycles; they are unstable and flip easily on uneven ground. When you think how criticised (rightly) the McCanns were for leaving their children alone and unsupervised, their action pales into insignificance next to the stupidity and negligence of these parents. I hope the police throw the book at them - that poor little girl, what a way to die.
 
What i find alarming is the parents took her home and not straight to hospital.
A horrible accident that didnt need to happen.

I was riding quads by 7/8yrs, but always supervised (adult sat behind me) and always in a controlled place (usually a paddock!)
By 10 i was riding solo and allowed to pop out to check sheep etc, but i grew up around them, knew the dangers and was taught to ride them properly,

I have used them extensively working on farms and yards and while being GREAT fun, they are a serious machine, who gives one too a 7 yr old and thinks a trip down the lane, in the dark is a good idea??
Poor kid paid for parents having to much money and not enough sense.
 
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I know that when my kids were little I followed them in the car when they have taken their bikes (push bikes) or ponies on the road (not in the dark though). However I have always been right up their backside or they have been practically riding on my back bumper with my hazards on. I can't understand why the father was driving so far in front that the back passenger had to keep looking behind to see the lights and when the RR passed the fathers car they should have all been in a line to pass together.

I am certainly not condoning the parents actions of letting the kids on the roads in the first place but I just know how what starts as a good or fun idea can be seen as absolutely stupid in hindsight.
 
We always had quad bikes when we were children - i have no objection to it but only on quiet private land.

We cant keep our children locked away inside all day, playing on playstations, watching tv, playing on the pc etc etc. Accidents can happen anywhere - for example, playing hockey or rugby, you could have your teeth knocked out!
 
True but they are not <u>illegal</u>. Whilst quad biking on the road, underage, is.

They were breaking a law, simple. They must be held accountable, as would anyone else breaking the law in this country.

The law, regarding underage driving on the roads, is there for a reason. I think this is a perfect example why it exists. It is not there to ruin your fun but to save lives. If the parents had upheld that law then, ultimately, they would still have their daughter.
 
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We always had quad bikes when we were children - i have no objection to it but only on quiet private land.

We cant keep our children locked away inside all day, playing on playstations, watching tv, playing on the pc etc etc. Accidents can happen anywhere - for example, playing hockey or rugby, you could have your teeth knocked out!

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sorry, that's McCann Syndrome again. No one is saying they should be 'locked away' just within the law, and with a modicum of common sense.
I had my front teeth knocked out by a horse, aged 12, thank you very much, but guess what, I am still here thirty years later, I wasn't best pleased about false teeth as a teenager, but it wasn't fatal!
Risk Assessment isn't complicated. As I said above, with hockey or rugby, there is a minute chance that something really awful might happen, and a fairish chance that something a bit unpleasant might happen. We knowingly take that risk.
Slightly adjusted risk factor for a well trained child on a speed limited quad on flat private land - some parents here have shown that they have intelligently risk assessed this, and decided to accept the risk. You yourself state re: quad bike riding 'i have no objection to it but only on quiet private land.'

IT IS NOT THE SAME as a seven year old riding a powerful machine illegally on a dark public road. And don't lets allow anyone (e.g. the newspapers) to tell us it is.
 
I've come onto this thread again to add my thoughts, after my initial shock that the parents' were so stupid, I now feel sorry for them.
Can you imagine any punishment however severe will be worse than living with their mistake?
I can't, so perhaps they don't need anything further said or done, it was obvious they adored their daughter, and made a stupid and devastatingly consequential error.
They need time to grieve now and some sympathy, because nothing could be worse in this world than knowing you are to blame for your own child's death...
 
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What i find alarming is the parents took her home and not straight to hospital.


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I'm not party to the PM results nor do I know the cause of death, but the circumstances would suggest internal bleeding - the casualty can appear to be quite normal and even pain free for quite some time after the incident before collapsing with shock and then falling into coma. Only the assistance of a surgical team within a very short time frame of the incident could have saved this little girl, and even if she had been taken straight to hospital it is not certain that this would have made any difference at all, sadly.

In failing to recognise that her injuries were serious in these circumstances, they were lacking in emergency aid knowledge, but no more than the vast majority of people.
 
I had a mini motocross bike and a quad aged 7. We used them in the fields and never even entertained the idea of going on the roads...however, as a parent and looking at my 7 year old no way would I let him have one (and now they are more powerful too).

Anyway, I thoughts go out to the driver of the RR - poor woman will live with this for the whole of her life. Thoughts also to the parents, they will never ever be able to forgive themselves for the Christmas purchase that went horribly wrong
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Here here Weezy, thats what I thought too when I read the piece. We used to sell childrens quad bikes and we always told the parents about the fact they were not road legal for adults to ride and children are no allowed under any circumstances to ride them on the road anyway. At 6pm on a winters night, I just can't imagine what the parents were thinking, but then they've got to deal with it now so I guess thats the harsh reality of life.
 
Don't believe everything you read in the Daily Mail press report. It states that she was airlifted to hospital, Essex air ambulance cannot operate at night, so I wonder who took her, unless of course it was left to the following day but I don't think so.
 
I dont think anyone is saying we should keep our children locked in...... and yes accident can happen anywhere.... but would you purposely allow your child to ride on a new quad bike, on a public road in the dark???? I dont think so!!! An accident that could have so easily been avoided....
I'm sorry, but the actions of those parents were irresponsible and because of their lackadasical attitude, they have now made another woman suffer.... as she will have to live with this for the rest of her life!
 
ive read this whole post from start to finish and whilst i agree with the fact the parents were negligent, surely they have paid the ultimate price without being chastised on public forums?
the mc canns also paid the price as did the family that went trick or treating in the dark on their pony.

my point being that people do make mistakes, sometimes fatal ones and the death of a loved one - knowing it was your fault somehow - must be the most painful thing in the world.
im sure all parents involved will think about those days for the rest of their lives.

as for the some people dont deserve children comment - how dare you????? do you know how much the child meant to her family?? they made a tragic mistake but they certainly dont deserve comments like that.
 
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