A ‘what would you do…’?

maya2008

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So, I have a sweet mare. She’s a talented, athletic older SJ mare with low mileage so despite being 16 she is still very much up for as much as her rider will do. Rarely touches a pole, doesn’t care about fillers, brilliant to hack, completely unbothered about traffic, heavy machinery, pheasants…anything really. But she lives to jump, literally. Her eyes light up and she comes alive.

So what’s the problem?

Well, she has pssm, which has been managed just fine for most of her life. As she had aged, it has affected her gut, and for the last two winters it has been extremely difficult to keep weight on her (and she doesn’t gain much in summer either). She has also struggled more to maintain muscle mass, and has become less enthusiastic about carrying me (I’m 9 stone, she’s 13.3hh) so my daughter took over 18 months ago and they toddled around the countryside together, cantering on the lead only. This wasn’t enough work to keep her pain-free though, and last winter she looked so miserable we considered pts. As a last ditch effort to save her, I popped my son on and we massively upped the workload, ignoring the increasingly visible ribs (on ad-lib forage, with rugs and lots of feed) in favour of her at least looking happy and pain-free. She improved massively and they’ve had a fun spring of jumping and hacking.

Then she got fit enough to be feisty, and despite bitting to give the child a chance, she did her patented running off act yesterday - faster and faster and faster around the school until thankfully my husband managed to catch her. She’s done this a few times in her life, with previous teenage sharers, but they at least had a chance of stopping her - my son is too small to have much effect if she really goes and could only really stay on until we caught her. No obvious trigger either - she had been cantering sedately for a while, they started a 20m circle and she just got faster and faster… I hopped on afterwards and she was, as usual, fine with me - she’s never done this with me and I have had her since backing, nor did she ever do so with the one adult sharer she had years ago.

Sitting on her, I could feel the lack of muscle to carry me though - her neck is like a knife and she feels narrower than she should be. I am going to see if she can build that muscle, but we may be past that point. I am sure a lightweight teen would be fine, but how do I put someone else’s child on a pony that can do what she did yesterday, however good they say they are/appear to be? Yet if she isn’t worked enough, she’s back in endless pain.

So - what would you do? I’ve put out feelers for a smaller project for my son, because I’d like him in one piece - but I’m not really sure what to do with her. She’d be amazing for him in a couple of years once he’s a bit bigger, and she is every child’s dream jumping pony - fast, reliable, unbelievable scope (fit, she can jump well over a metre and make it look easy).
 

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As well as the Cushing's test are you getting enough protein into her? I've massively upped the level my older PSSM horse gets in the past 2 years.

Yup, I found mine did better on a bit more protein than you'd expect. I'd also be scoping for ulcers as they can be brought on by PSSM not being under control and can cause weight loss.
 

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When she first started losing weight, we had the vets out and investigations done, but I am pretty sure we didn’t check for Cushings (no issues losing winter coat, no lami) so could do that. Could it be hind gut ulcers so not immediately visible on a scope? Googling them, the symptoms match and would explain why the increased protein I’ve already been feeding isn’t working - as she wouldn’t be getting it into her blood.

Thankfully it’s a new month, so time to owe the vet again as there seems to be a way to detect hind gut ulcers through blood work. Could do that and a Cushings test at the same time!
 
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Just to add - I double checked what supplements she is getting with my husband (who makes up the feeds each day) and he’s recently started adding Boswellia and turmeric just because she’s older and he thought it might be a good idea. That might explain her recent return to the behaviour of her glory days (full of energy and keen to race everywhere to have fun - not just ridden, I’ve noticed her playing with the yearlings more, and they were literally racing up and down the field a few days ago, with her as the ringleader!). So either helping with ulcers or there might be some arthritis somewhere. Something else to ask about, though without obvious lameness I doubt I’d get an answer!
 

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Agrobs protein flakes were designed for PSSM horses. I have 2 ex racers, one is confirmed PSSM n/p3 n/px & the other I suspect due to zero topline. They were being fed an Agrobs diet, then on the advice of the tack shop owner I added half a scoop of Agrobs soaked protein flakes twice a day & they have both really started to fill out. There is also a new feed by Marstalls that he was telling me about that he actually had some input in developing which is designed for PSSM horses. Could be worth a try? (I haven't tried it.)

I presume that you're doing all the usual - natural vitamin E etc.

ETA that my confirmed PSSM ex racer has previously had confirmed ulcers. He used to get gassy colics all the time. He is helped tremendously by AloeRide. He came back off loan looking a bit ropey so I've also put him on some pro/pre biotics and an ulcer supplement from Equi Natural. He doesn't shed his coat & looks really mangey when he has ulcers & I didn't think he was going to shed this year - he was looking like an old camel. I popped him on the above & he shed his coat after all & is looking fantastic! He is 18.
 
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Agrobs protein flakes were designed for PSSM horses. I have 2 ex racers, one is confirmed PSSM n/p3 n/px & the other I suspect due to zero topline. They were being fed an Agrobs diet, then on the advice of the tack shop owner I added half a scoop of Agrobs soaked protein flakes twice a day & they have both really started to fill out. There is also a new feed by Marstalls that he was telling me about that he actually had some input in developing which is designed for PSSM horses. Could be worth a try? (I haven't tried it.)

I presume that you're doing all the usual - natural vitamin E etc.

ETA that my confirmed PSSM ex racer has previously had confirmed ulcers. He used to get gassy colics all the time. He is helped tremendously by AloeRide. He came back off loan looking a bit ropey so I've also put him on some pro/pre biotics and an ulcer supplement from Equi Natural. He doesn't shed his coat & looks really mangey when he has ulcers & I didn't think he was going to shed this year - he was looking like an old camel. I popped him on the above & he shed his coat after all & is looking fantastic! He is 18.

I am interested in the AloeRide - I was looking at Coligone - have you tried that, if so, how did they compare?

On all the usual stuff - protein, vit E etc, although interestingly enough, prior to her issues starting, she never needed any of that to be healthy - just to live out, have lots of exercise and have low nsc feed with no alfalfa. I was spending a fortune on top quality supplements last winter for her pssm but she looked so very miserable. Upped the work and now I have a bright eyed mare who is interested in the world again. I just wish she hadn’t sabotaged her own health by becoming unsafe for my son and thus losing the rider who helped her so much!!
 

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I tried Coligone ages ago & didn't really find much difference. He's a different horse on AloeRide. I bite the bullet & get 6 months at a time as it's then cheaper per box & you get free postage rather than shelling out every month for postage on the yearly subscription. Without it, his gut is pretty much silent; on it you can hear him a couple of stables away! His coat is far, far better & his hooves are great too. Mine can't really be exercised - he is okay in walk but doesn't really want to trot. He will do half a circle to humour me, then go back to walk. He is looking soooooo much better than when he came off loan.
 
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