A classic anti quote

[antiantianti]

Predation by foxes, stoats, pine martens and some bird species can cause chick mortality and breeding failures. Reducing predation rates may lead to increases in black grouse productivity, though it is not always necessary: in some areas, increases in black grouse numbers have been achieved without controlling predation.

Any effort to remove predators must also consider potential relationships between predators: removing one predator, such as the fox, may increase the number of another, such as stoat, as they have increased access to food sources because of diminished competition. There are two options to reduce predation rates:

(a) to increase the opportunities for black grouse to avoid predators, through habitat management (such as providing increased vegetation cover);
(b) to remove the predators.

Controlling predation is most likely to be effective when undertaken over a wide area, so requiring the involvement of several landholdings.

 

[rubyslippers]

Oh antianti - such lack of original thought, and so predictable. Had you bothered to look further than the first page of the website you so brazenly cut and pasted from - without giving reference to (copyright infringement btw), you would have read a little about the history of these wonderful birds:

"The black grouse has undergone a serious decline in population and range in Britain over the last century. Highly prized by sportsmen, 'game bags' provide an insight into their dramatic decline and show that they have been lost from many areas where they were once abundant."

Furthermore, a combination of bird surveys and landowner questionnaires conducted by Baines & Hudson, "...during the 1990s the average rate of decline across Britain was believed to be 10% per year."

- So let me get this right, we're meant to believe that having massivly reduced the numbers (to extinction in some areas of England), by way of killing for sport. We should be greatful to that same fraternity of sub-humans for 'conserving' the countryside?!!

The enhanced level of deer culling refered to will be carried out in the most effective way possible - shooting. Not hunting with hounds - which is where I have a serious problem. It will done purely for conservation, NOT for the enjoyment of paying followers - again, which is where I have serious objections.

If you expect to be taken seriously, you're going to have to do better than these half assed cut and paste blags.

Ruby

 

[antiantianti]

Ruby,

I am passionate about maintaning our biodiversity. Where sporting interests conflict with that they should be curtailed. Where they increase it they should be encouraged.

Do you agree or disagree?

To be quite honest I could not give a f uck if you take me seriously or not. I care about my land and I break the Hunting Act on it. I manage it correctly which is what counts not obeying some absurd law.

 

[rubyslippers]

Agree to an extent. But sporting interests by their very nature exist to provide entertainment, when they do so at the expense of our countryside, I strongly object. And when we are repeatedly told that such sporting interests are actually conservation projects, my intelligence is insulted. In such instances I have more respect for the lowly terrier man, for although I abhor his hobby, at least he is truthful about what he does and why - as primitive as that may be - at least he doesn't pretend in order to save his conscience.


Ruby

 

[Eagle_day]

"my intelligence is insulted"

If we're talking about the classic anti quote, do I get a prize for pointing out the oxymoron?

 

[rubyslippers]

In order to get a prize for that, you'd have to know what an oxymoron is - which you clearly don't, since 'insult' and 'intelligence' are not a contradrictory word pair.

Now if we were giving out prizes for pointing out straightforward Morons Eagle_day, you would just be making it way to easy for me

 

[kirstyhen]

I think eagle-days point was the oxymoron was anti and intelligence.

 

[Eagle_day]

"If you think hunting is a brill day out, you should try following bloodhounds, it takes a little more guts, and far more skill."

Skill, how? And guts, why?

And don't smear Mairi with your crude generalisations. While she and I might not have always seen eye to eye, I will continue to respect her opinion because it is based on her practical experience; which unlike, I suspect, is yours.

 

[antiantianti]

It's interesting that you say that because the fox hounds were on our land a couple of weeks ago hunting foxes. I went down to the bottom of the valley and introduced my self to the hunt master who had had a great time hunting foxes.

he mentioned that they had 'marked' a fox that had gone to ground and there was a guy standing there with a shovel and another guy with a terrier.`

I thought about it for an instant and to be quite honest I am quite happy for them to have there sport trying to catch the thing but I could not see the point on them digging it out so I said no.

It turns out I made the right decision because nI came across (what I assume was) the same fox out hacking today and had a great time chasing it through the woods with my dogs.

We didn't catch it but we will one day.

The best way to desatch a fox is to catch iot with hounds and I will do my best to ensure that fate for that fox.

 

[antiantianti]

"But sporting interests by their very nature exist to provide entertainment"

I've spend tens of thousands of pounds laying hedges and plantimng woodland for one and only one reason.


FUN!

And it's the BEST reason.

I maximise wildlife so I can HUNT it.

 

[Eagle_day]

"Now if we were giving out prizes for pointing out straightforward Morons Eagle_day, you would just be making it way to easy for me"

Spelling and use of capital letters - shooting fish in a barrel

 

[antiantianti]

"Now if we were giving out prizes for pointing out straightforward Morons Eagle_day, you would just be making it way to easy for me"

Spelling and use of capital letters - shooting fish in a barrel

Eagle it is a common trait of stupid people that they can only argue by making out that there opponent is even more stupid than they. In Ruby;s case this streches incredulity too far!

 

[rubyslippers]

The_Henmeister - If Eagle was referring 'anti' and 'intelligence', why did he then quote "insult my intelligence"? Still up for the prize.

 

[rubyslippers]

antianti - "Eagle it is a common trait of stupid people that they can only argue by making out that there opponent is even more stupid than they. In Ruby;s case this streches incredulity too far!"

- I'm sure you know all about the common traits of stupid people, as you were surely raised by some. Or would that be the stupid traits of common pepople? Regardless, it is often the common trait of a pro who has run out of blurb to cut and paste from others web pages, to resort to criticising spelling.

 

[rubyslippers]

Eagle, who is Mairi? and how have a smeared her?

I have lived in the countryside my whole life, and I have followed foxhounds, bloodhounds and beagles, hunting live quarry and the clean boot. I have never drag hunted, but would like to have a go. I keep chickens, sheep, and employ a wide variety of pest control when needed.

So you suspect wrong.

I maintain the countryside and encourage wildlife because I think I am very fortunate to live where I live, and as such have a duty to respectfully support it.

To encourage wildlife so that you can enjoy destroying it at a later date is primitive, un-evolved and shows a distinct lack of intelligence.

The likes of antianti may lay a bit of hedging in order that he may hunt, but without his ilk the countryside would not collapse, because there are plenty of people who wish to preserve the countryside for other reasons.

Ruby

Skill and guts because it takes a better level of horsemanship. The riding is faster and the fences are bigger, the horses in general need to be a gear up from your average hunter.

 

[winterhorse]

Skill and guts because it takes a better level of horsemanship. The riding is faster and the fences are bigger, the horses in general need to be a gear up from your average hunter. [/quote]

i hunt a pack of draghounds and used to foxhunt too and there is no difference as hounds hunt the same.
there is no quarry now as the politicaly incorrect have banned it..
as for bigger fences and faster hunts that may be true but fox hunting is the harder of the 2 because you dont or wouldn't know which way the fox would run so each jump would be different. draghunting /bloodhounds are all a set route and someone will check that set route a day or so before to make sure it is safe and easily jumpable for all levals of rider .
and to get it clear i am not anti because this goverment put me out of a job and this is were i am for the time being until the ban is repealed..
p.s spelling might be crap but i dont put someone down just because they may not spell well or use correct punctuation..

 

[antiantianti]

"The likes of antianti may lay a bit of hedging in order that he may hunt, but without his ilk the countryside would not collapse, because there are plenty of people who wish to preserve the countryside for other reasons."

There are no 'likes of me', there is just me.

I don't kill wildlife.

I'm not saying that the countryside would collapse but the fact is that country sports contribute to conservation and bio diversity. More conservation and more biodiversity is a good thing.

And it's "antiantianti" please at least spell properly.

 

[peakpark]

If you think hunting is a brill day out, you should try following bloodhounds, it takes a little more guts, and far more skill.
Ruby

Why does it take more guts? Foxhounds hunt over all sorts of different country some more testing than others. I don't think the country bloodhound packs hunt over is specifically more testing, is it?
I remember a meet of a bloodhound pack in Derbyshire some years back and they went over pretty much the same country which the local foxhounds had covered a few weeks previously.

 

[antiantianti]

And what have guts got to do with it anyhow? This is just macho bollox.

What about crap riders like me?

 

[Eagle_day]

"I maintain the countryside and encourage wildlife because I think I am very fortunate to live where I live, and as such have a duty to respectfully support it."

So do I. I go hunting.

"To encourage wildlife so that you can enjoy destroying it at a later date is primitive, un-evolved and shows a distinct lack of intelligence."

Leaving your emotive phraseology aside, it's a system that's worked for centuries. But then you got your ban, fox populations immediately crashed, and the numbers of red deer on Exmoor fell by 25%. Funny that.

 

[antiantianti]

"Why is it those who are pro bloodsport and who enjoy killing for fun, can never just talk on their own forums? "

 

[antiantianti]

"Disagreeing with the law as enacted by Parliament is profoundly undemocratic."

 

[rubyslippers]

Aunty Anti

Did it ever occur to you that if people regularly wanted to read what was being said on other web sites............... they'd view those sites themselves? I could understand one or two, but it comes across as some kind of obsession?!

 

[antiantianti]

lol it's good to have a laugh at idiots saying stupid things though don't you think?

 

[antiantianti]

Here's a good one:

"Conservation is utterly irrelevant. The only important issue is animal welfare.

It would be better for that wildlife not to exist rather than be shot at."

 

[antiantianti]

Oh and here's a good one I just found:

"we all hope you die a horrible painful death. You are scum."

 

[soggy]

It always causes a smile when you read the " leave it to nature" "they will eventually control their own number" delusional crap from the anti's.


Snared my 17th fox of the year this morning. An in milk vixen. I guess the dog fox I shot last week must have been her mate. Not having food provided must have forced her off the cubs. The terriers will sort them out as and when I find them.

Now that's nature!

 

[carolmalin123]

well I guess when you go out all day and don't find any?

Oh I thought hunting was about controlling the population if there are too many, but it must be such a disappointment to go out and not be able to kill one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[carolmalin123]

It always causes a smile when you read the " leave it to nature" "they will eventually control their own number" delusional crap from the anti's.


Snared my 17th fox of the year this morning. An in milk vixen. I guess the dog fox I shot last week must have been her mate. Not having food provided must have forced her off the cubs. The terriers will sort them out as and when I find them.

Oh such a lovely life you lead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now that's nature!

 

[carolmalin123]

lol it's good to have a laugh at idiots saying stupid things though don't you think?

Yes anti, i'm doing it now