A disappointing turn of events....

angel7

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SO I recently purchased a secondhand ifor williams 401R.
Was very lucky to find one local to me and bought it for a fair price, 2002 model for 1.9K. It appeared in excellent condition and had paperwork for regular servicing.
I duly checked the TER register and the serial number and and all seems fine so snapped it up.
I did check the towhitch and it was tight and hard to move as it should be, hand brake works great and aluminium floor and rubber all like new just dirty.
First time towing it after purchase and often when I slow down there's a thunking noise and it shunts into the car. I persevered thinking it was my driving as been a while since I towed and sometimes it was smooth but other times the thunking is there. 3 bulbs stopped working after a couple weeks so replaced them.
First time it rains (its been a very dry summer here) and the trailer leaks like a sieve. Very hard to trace where its coming in as it spots on the floor and runs, and the walls drip and splash. Spent hours washing trailer joints and sealing them with silicon. Everytime it seemed it was fixed, another drip would appear after a run. Finally now appears ok but I wanted to get the thunking checked asap.
No one local could even look at it for weeks...
Finally found a good recommended handy man and he's checked over the trailer. He's called to say the whole front coupling is knackered and he cant seem to get any replacement for it.
Heres the odd bit. He says the particular coupling/damper unit on this trailer was last used in 1988 and is nolonger available from ifor williams. The closest one to it which might work will take at least 8 weeks to come and might not work/fit.
To fix it sooner he has now stripped down the unit and replaced the drawtube and damper.
I havent picked up the trailer yet so cant check the part numbers myself but when I look at ifor williams parts online none of them seem to match the shape of the coupling unit on mine. Mine looks original, same colour and patina with the frame, and not altered so not sure what it to make of it...
I know the 401 is becoming rarer now but this one has a white plastic roof, ally floor and locking towhitch so I do think its a 2002 model. Any ideas? Should I be worried? How long do ifor williams still make parts for their old trailers?
Anyway an expensive lesson as I'm now £400 in repairs and the car I bought to pull it has required a new clutch, flywheel and wheel bearing in just a few journeys towing it!
Fun times!
 

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Oh nooooo, how frustrating! I once bought a used Rice and it was so heavy to tow that even my Landcruiser seriously struggled. Spent ££££ getting wheel bearings replaced but nothing seemed to help. Then my horse wouldn’t load into it for love nor money. So sold it again at a big loss without it ever having left home or had a horse in it… I feel your pain! ??
 
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I have an ifor Williams 510 which I've had for about 10 years this trailer also bangs & crashes . I had the damper replaced thinking it was that but made no difference . Recently I've had the brakes replaced & this has stopped the problem . So I'd suggest getting the brakes checked .
 

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I was also thinking about the brakes. I borrowed a trailer (can't recall the make) once that did this, and it was the brakes.

Buying an older trailer is sort of like buying a used car/older car. Stuff always crops up and needs attention. Fortunately, trailers are a bit more simple, so you can usually get them squared away. I just say this as someone who has bought a lot of old stuff ?
 

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Yes mine did the same when the brakes needed attention. Is it definitely a 2002 model. I find people tend to guess at things like this when they don’t know.
 

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SO I recently purchased a secondhand ifor williams 401R.
Was very lucky to find one local to me and bought it for a fair price, 2002 model for 1.9K. It appeared in excellent condition and had paperwork for regular servicing.
I duly checked the TER register and the serial number and and all seems fine so snapped it up.
I did check the towhitch and it was tight and hard to move as it should be, hand brake works great and aluminium floor and rubber all like new just dirty.
First time towing it after purchase and often when I slow down there's a thunking noise and it shunts into the car. I persevered thinking it was my driving as been a while since I towed and sometimes it was smooth but other times the thunking is there. 3 bulbs stopped working after a couple weeks so replaced them.
First time it rains (its been a very dry summer here) and the trailer leaks like a sieve. Very hard to trace where its coming in as it spots on the floor and runs, and the walls drip and splash. Spent hours washing trailer joints and sealing them with silicon. Everytime it seemed it was fixed, another drip would appear after a run. Finally now appears ok but I wanted to get the thunking checked asap.
No one local could even look at it for weeks...
Finally found a good recommended handy man and he's checked over the trailer. He's called to say the whole front coupling is knackered and he cant seem to get any replacement for it.
Heres the odd bit. He says the particular coupling/damper unit on this trailer was last used in 1988 and is nolonger available from ifor williams. The closest one to it which might work will take at least 8 weeks to come and might not work/fit.
To fix it sooner he has now stripped down the unit and replaced the drawtube and damper.
I havent picked up the trailer yet so cant check the part numbers myself but when I look at ifor williams parts online none of them seem to match the shape of the coupling unit on mine. Mine looks original, same colour and patina with the frame, and not altered so not sure what it to make of it...
I know the 401 is becoming rarer now but this one has a white plastic roof, ally floor and locking towhitch so I do think its a 2002 model. Any ideas? Should I be worried? How long do ifor williams still make parts for their old trailers?
Anyway an expensive lesson as I'm now £400 in repairs and the car I bought to pull it has required a new clutch, flywheel and wheel bearing in just a few journeys towing it!
Fun times!
Sorry to hear that.
 

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The serial number has the year of manufacture in it - I think it's the start of the last five digits? I can't be sure where in the serial number it is off the top of my head but I'll know it when I see it if you want to send me a photo. Is it possible someone has replaced the tow hitch / damper with an older one for some reason?
 

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My older trailer if stored for a while unused - the brakes seize terribly.
The disks, every part, seizes up. Its a job to overhaul the lot.
It’s no surprise your towing vehicle was worn out towing a seized trailer. What a hassle you’ve had…we’ve been in similar situations….like an endless stream of parts going wrong that are also hard to get hold of!

Now, whenever i buy some piece of equipment im not too hot on knowledge about its working etc i generally employ a local to the sale item, expert mechanic of that type of machinery for an hour of his time to check it over for me, before buying.
Did that for a tractor and that beauty is a grand little tractor. I also do it for vehicles/machinery a long way away, as its cheaper to get a local expert mechanic there to check, than for me to travel there and back.
It’s really worth the cost of their time.
 

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I had a look at mine last night. The serial number will start with letters, then a number, then 4 zeros. It's the first two digits after those zeros that will show the year - mine is an '05 so it goes ABCX000005XXXXXXX
 

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Thanks Annagain, according to this method then its definately an 02 model 401R.
Handyman showed me the damper he removed, didnt look old but not very substantial considering the weights involved in towing. It moved easily halfway by pushing hard on it then, stop and not move further hence the banging.
Even reversing was easier this time.
happy days.
Mind you handyman heard new car starting up to tow away and says starter is on its way out! Another thing to fix, I'll wait till it breaks :)
 
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