A 'how much" and a related question...

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It's easy to put a price on someone else's horse, but when it's your own I think you become a little biased! Hence the following queries.

The 'how much' is a low mileage pretty dark bay gelding, 14.1hh, rising 5. Backed 3 months ago. Established walk, trot, canter, works in a nice natural frame which has never been forced, therefore works forward nicely from leg to hand. Hacks alone and in company, goes in front or behind, brilliant in traffic including farm traffic. Snaffle mouth. Seen hounds. Recently began popping x-poles confidently. Easy to do. Very genuine and should make a brilliant PC pony.

Second question is: how much less would you pay for a horse that weaves? Not the horse detailed above - this is a nicely schooled, 7yo 15.3hh TB gelding, schooling at 1.10m comfortably but not competed. Minus the weaving I'd put this horse at £2000, but I'm interested to know how much the weaving will affect his price.

Interested to hear your views - thank you
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Katie - he'll be for sale in the new year if you're still looking...

MrsMozart - You wouldn't? I don't think people would pay as much for a weaver - it's harder to put them in livery as a lot of people still believe that their horses will copy, despite it being untrue. It can also cause physical problems in later life...
 
Nope Munchkin
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. If I were to sell the Dizzy one she would be priced on her abilities and on her breeding and my circumstances at the time. I've read up quite a bit on weaving and have yet to find a paper that proves damage. Dizz does it out of excitement if people are on the yard, if they're not there she doesn't do it
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I always thought weaving as a bit of a 'no no' but I did have an ex-racer that did it and I put up a weave grill. No one on the yard complained. This was a loooong time ago and I think opinions have changed.

But as to it being a copied vice, Im not sure. Our pony was stabled next to a weaver (no grill put up) and boy did he weave! His shoulder now clicks too and Im sure its wear and tear but our pony never copied him. We also also has our young mare next to him for a time and she never copied him either, even when on restricted grazing. Thankfully now we are in a different stable. I think it did my head in more than the horses !

I cant make my mind up whether its a bad thing or not when buying but if I clicked with the horse and it did everything I wanted I dont think it would put me off.
 
No idea about the weaving/2nd horse, but I've been following the prices of the first as we're just about to be starting to look for daughter's next pony before her feet hit the ground on the 11.2 she rides. We've been looking at 14-14.2 purely because although only 10 she is over 5ft 1. I would say based on the ponies we've got printed out in daughters 'favourites' box that probably that sort of pony that sort of age without any breeding /showing inhand background, and without any proven results would probably be advertised at about £2-2,500 'up north' and perhaps an extra £500 down south.

However if you're not selling till the spring with a bit more schooling and proving it's capable of being ridden by a child perhaps with an outing or two under his belt so to speak, even if it's just a 'prettiest gelding' rosette at a Christmas fun show, possibly more. In her box there are some M&M of similar age advertised with proven in hand and ridden showing capabilities/breeding up to £4K but these have obviously been broken earlier and have a little more experience. Have a look at the 2 x 14.2 adertised on the right and see how yours compares?
 
Lisel - it's been proven that horses don't copy and that the reason horses on the same yard often weave is that they're in the same high-stress environment. However, some people are still in that old school of thought! I think it's pretty common in horses that started life on racing yards, which he did.

Dubsie - that was an interesting read, thanks. I'm not intending on selling him until the new year, so hopefully I'll be able to get him out to a winter show or two and perhaps a hunt meet. It's difficult to take it steady with him as he seems to take to everything pretty quickly! Good luck with your search, too
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I would think if you can just broaden his experience out and about a bit more, maybe as Coffee_Been says a couple of little jumping classes, and perhaps wait till the weather starts to look like it'll pick up and the evenings get lighter then you could do quite well with him or at least sell him quickly as he's a popular size, particularly if he can be ridden by a 10 year old (borrow one for a photo session if neccessary). I have noticed a fair number of ponies haven't yet been sold and have been readvertised a little cheaper as this is the 'wrong' time of year, so would think in February people will start to look (we're starting to look now as we're on a budget!
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really? can you provide any research to back that up?
imo its hearsay, the same as horse's copying.

and no, i don't think weaving will have an effect on selling price.
most people would rather a horse have a 'vice' which doesn't effect rider or horse, than a horse with a ridden issue.
 
It places a lot of stress on the joints, and it's very obvious that he weaves as his feet wear down on the inside due to him standing with splayed feet when he does it.

Of course that would be the case. If incorrectly angled shoes can cause joint problems, then a horse that weaves enough to wear down its own feet at bizarre angles is surely causing itself some damage? I'd say that's only common sense.

Still, if there are people out there who don't believe that's a problem, better news for me when I come to sell him
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thats not research though is it???

my horse has a rubber mat at the front of his box so no wear on the foot itself.

you can't say for gospel it places a lot of stress on the joints unless you x-rayed him before it started then x-rayed at certain times throughout his life and monitored a change.

and that would need to be repeated over 100's of horses who weaved and compared to 100's of horses that don't over a huge timescale.

and it sounds as though your boy is wearing his feet down oddly due to the way he stands.
i have known many weavers who don't wear their feet down oddly (mine included) so to generalise and say weaving places a lot of stress on joints simply isn't correct.
 
millitiger, you seem to be missing the point somewhat. If I'd wanted a debate about weaving I'd have posted a debate about weaving.

My POINT is that there is a general attitude that weaving causes physical problems (which I do not entirely disagree with on the basis of common sense), and many people believe their horses will copy a weaving horse. The QUESTION was, how would this affect its value, particularly when the horse in question shows considerable wear on its feet from doing so. I believe you have already given your opinion on this.
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i know, i just don't like generalisations about things like this going on public forums when there is no research to prove it.

less experienced people can read the comment 'can cause issues with joints etc' as 'weaving = lame horse' and i don't think thats right.

the fun of this forum is that threads often go off on different subjects to the original Q!
 
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