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I already know what I think, but I need to gauge opinions!

How much would you say this horse is worth:

16.2hh 8yo TB gelding, ex-racer. Raced in a few point 2 points as a 4/5yo, retired without injury. Since being in ridden work has had a stifle injury that was treated by steroid injection - this is now resolved. No competition record due to lameness.

He's good to shoe & catch and good with the vet/dentist/chiro etc. Needs sedating to be clipped, and varies from good as gold to load to being a complete toad - usually sticky. Hacks out in company, tricky to hack alone off road, dangerous to hack alone on the road.

Dressage is good in an arena, tense on grass. Can be tricky in the SJ and XC.

Has potential as an eventer, but is not straightforward and there's a question mark over soundness. Is mechanically unlevel, so wouldn't pass a 5 stage vetting.

This is, in no way, shape or form, advertising ;)

Answers on a postard, please :).

ETA: There is absolutely no malice in him at all, and any ridden issues are down to exuberance and a dominant personality. Certainly not a novice ride, though. Straight forward and sweet to handle in the stable.
 
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£800-£900 at best on a good day, its the dangerous to hack alone on road that made me feel uneasy and coupled with the previous injury.
just my opinion which no doubt will get slated but hey ho!
 
Not very much unfortunately, just meat value. I have a sound ex-racer that I was given for free (OK, I don't ride her because I use her as a companion, but she could be returned to work). If I wanted another one, there are plenty around my area that are sound but fresh out of racing that I would rather look at. :(
 
Not a million miles away from what I'm thinking :(. He's worth more to me, of course, but only because he's a lovely person and I'm emotionally attached. He's a walking vet bill, and there's no guarantee that he'll ever do any serious competing :(.
 
If he has already had stifle problems then he will continue to have them, I wouldn't even consider him for a competition horse tbh. He is only worth a few hundred pounds at best with him being very quirky. Problem is, we can't help which horse we fall in love with.......... is he yours or one you want to purchase?
 
I have him on loan with a view to buy. The original price was £2k, but that was before he went lame (x2) and failed a vetting. And before his ridiculous antics out hacking! I still want him (cause I'm a mug!), but the owner still wants £2k. I offered a lower price but was not given an answer... the owner is still after the original price.
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He's worth no more than the price of meat.
I personally wouldn't even consider such a horse and I think very few would.

So if you're selling I wish u good luck, if buying then you've every reason to justify paying very little x
 
I think the way you have discribed him is very unfair, we have already agreed a price which as stated if he fails vetting will be discussed. He most def was not dangerous to hack out alone a adavnced event rider used to hack him out as did I and there was never any problems. I also spent a lot of money on the event rider schooling him which people on this forum have rated the rider on other post so he appears to know his stuff.
I have been more than fair regarding offering payment plans etc when the loan with a view to buy has ran out. If you did not agree with the price you should have said so!
He has had scans etc on the injury which concluded from a bit of inflamation which was what you had done yourself.
Sorry for the rant but we agreed the price over a year ago if not more and you have never mentioned you have not been happy with it
 
Nyfain said:
I have him on loan with a view to buy. The original price was £2k, but that was before he went lame (x2) and failed a vetting. And before his ridiculous antics out hacking! I still want him (cause I'm a mug!), but the owner still wants £2k. I offered a lower price but was not given an answer... the owner is still after the original price.
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What was the lower price also the antics hacking and the lameness was after a year of you having him. I have also stated if he fails the vetting the price will be discussed and reduced
 
A horse who's had recurring lameness issues, displays dominant and tricky behaviour (no matter what the root of it is), isn't a good hack, is mechanically unlevel, is tricky XC and SJ and tense in the dressage- honestly? Not even £200 IMO... He may be a sweet enough horse, but he is not a horse who is worth money and I'm not including the fact that he's an ex-racer which does seem to knock a few hundred off in some people's opinions (not mine!).
 
too be honest

Free to good home!!

There are way too many question marks about him.

You say has potential to event, sorry but no he doesn't he is not level, soundness issues, DR on grass tense, problems SJ

Far too much going on here

You would be better off spending your money on a baby
 
Omg I just read your last post, 2k? No way!
I'd say send him back, she's relying on your emotional attachment.
If however u don't care about the money and want him no matter what, then he's worth 2k if u r prepared to pay it, because he's worth it to u :)
 
2 grand - beeeeeejeeeessssuuuuuussss!
WOW!
Never.
however its your decision and your decision only. He may come right with time and effort and lots of if it, but there are no guarantees.

personally i would spend my money on something with less hang ups.
 
missyme10 said:
Omg I just read your last post, 2k? No way!
I'd say send him back, she's relying on your emotional attachment.
If however u don't care about the money and want him no matter what, then he's worth 2k if u r prepared to pay it, because he's worth it to u :)
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Am not relying on a emotional attachment, the horse was schooled by a international eventer, was not lame, he failed a vetting last summer I was more than happy to take him back but she wanted investigations which turned out to be nothing major.
I have said I will reduce price if he fails again if she still wants him. She has had him coming up to 2 years Ive been more than patient offered to extend the loan or payment plan.
He certain not mechanically lame I seen him the other week and was sound and am more than happy to get a vet out to give him a check over.
 
Annaellie it doesn't matter that the horse was schooled, could have been by Zara philips herself! He's an ex racer that's unlevel, has failed a vetting, has stifle problems and doesn't make up for these facts by being a brilliant hack.
Sorry but I think you will find no one will want him if he gets returned.
Go look at what u can buy for 2k, the market is dire, 2k can buy you a decent horse with only 1 Issue to deal with.

You're argument of well you knew price was 2k is irrelevant, the horse has failed a vetting since and been lame twice, this de values him greatly!
 
yes but surely, if you agree on aprice BEFORE you take the horse, that price is that price, not the potential buyers to drop at will. Sorry but this is why people dont loan out there horses with view to buy anymore. The loaner would have decided whethert his horse was worth 2k long ago- its been nearly 2 years!!!!!!!! Its not the owbers fault the horse has gone lame twice- if the loanee had purchased the horse 2 years ago and the horse went lame now- well thats tough. As for failing the vetting- the owner has already agreed to negotiate the price because of that.
 
missyme10 said:
Annaellie it doesn't matter that the horse was schooled, could have been by Zara philips herself! He's an ex racer that's unlevel, has failed a vetting, has stifle problems and doesn't make up for these facts by being a brilliant hack.
Sorry but I think you will find no one will want him if he gets returned.
Go look at what u can buy for 2k, the market is dire, 2k can buy you a decent horse with only 1 Issue to deal with.

You're argument of well you knew price was 2k is irrelevant, the horse has failed a vetting since and been lame twice, this de values him greatly!
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I know what youre saying but the horse went 2 years ago sound and sane yes quirky, he is not lame and was not dangerous as discribed. I would have taken him back when he failed the vetting, but she wanted investigations. the loan kept running out and I kept extending it. It was never my plan to sell but she asked to buy and due to the fact he was after. in a good home being very well looked after I agreed but its been going on for well over a year. I spoke to her last month and she did not say she wasnt happy about price I would have discussed it cause as I have said to her on many occassions a good home to me is more important than price. Am more annoyed that she did not speak to me and has given a very unfair view on here of him.
But I do not what your saying by what you have read about him I would prob say the same thing myself :)
 
annaellie and nyfain - you seem to be unable to agree so why dont annaellie have him back? if nyfain wont pay you what you think he is worth, then why dont you take him back and perhaps try someone else??
 
Don't agree pixibee, I currently have a pony on loan with a view to buy, price dropped due to an issue, yes we agreed a price, BUT that was based on the given information at the time.

I do however agree with the 2 years, not sure wht that is all about!

No way anyone will convince me that this horse is woth more than meat money unless the OP has told loads of lies about it, but owner doesn't dispute so unlikely x
 
Annaeille, thanks for explaining more.
Perhaps you two ought to take this off line and negotiate, maybe you need to meet each other half way for this horses sake, good luck x
 
I think that the two of you need to talk, perhaps with an independent person present to discuss this.

There are two sides, as one would imagine to this scenario, so I would imagine somewhere in the middle is an accurate non-emotional position.

Personally, if I am going on the info presented I would say this:

Seller: You loaned the horse out rather than sell it. Given the horse was meant to have been schooled by a pro and have this potential (although with stifle issues I disagree but I'm not the vet who has seen the horse) then this horse would have been easy to sell without all the preloan stuff. Calibre riders know what they are looking for and are confident in their own abilities without needing periods of trial.
You are probably also aware, that it is difficult once you enter into a loan, without pre vetting and agreements (which can even be broken still) to hold someone to cough up and amount, agreed or otherwise.

Buyer:
You describe to me a horse that appear (all emotions aside for a minute) as others have said, an expensive waste of time.
Sorry to sound harsh. I see too many people with the wrong animal because emotion has got in the way.
he WILL NOT likely make an eventer or competition horse of any kind, and will cost as much to keep as a sound horse.
The market is in favour of a buyer right now, so if you really do have £2K to spend there are some good opportunities.
Be fair to the seller, and I don't think posting onto here is all that fair to be honest, you are causing her to become defensive (and i don't blame her it's a natural response) and it is not going to help with discussions on the horse.
He is her horse at the end of the day, and if she wants to hold out for £2k then that is her decision.
There isn't a price list for horses, they are worth whatever someone thinks, and so are subjective.

It's Ok to draw people's opinion into things, but we have not the facts, we're just reading what each puts, and as I have said there are always 2 sides to these things.

But personally, return him and find something sound, or at least give the seller the chance to sell him to someone else promptly if her desire is a sale not a loan.
If he doesn't vet then she is left with a decision,

If you want to compete and enjoy hacking - is this the horse for you?
Whether or not his behaviour with a pro was fine, you are saying with you he is dangerous to hack and tense on grass and not great to xc.

I hope you both can find an amicable arrangement.
 
missyme10 said:
Don't agree pixibee, I currently have a pony on loan with a view to buy, price dropped due to an issue, yes we agreed a price, BUT that was based on the given information at the time.

I do however agree with the 2 years, not sure wht that is all about!

No way anyone will convince me that this horse is woth more than meat money unless the OP has told loads of lies about it, but owner doesn't dispute so unlikely x
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The two years is she took him on loan then a few months in asked about buying him, she said she had a few issues so eventually vetted a few months later. He failed vetting, i would off taken him back but she wanted investgations done, i still insure him but she paid for that herself. nothing found on the investigations but a bit of inflamation. since then its been one thing after another. The loan is due to run out this week. I would of happily disscussed price with her again if she would have told me.
I have extended the loan a couple of times due to the fact am very happy with him he is very well cared for and apart from the actual purchase, i have nothing but good things to say about her and how she cares for him, he is like a spoilt king with her :D and to me that is more important than price.
 
I also have to add does anyone know where I will stand on taking him back, if it comes to that as she has paid 2 installments off him the last one being 27th June that was still at the orig agreed price.
 
Well if that well looked after I'm sure you'll come to some arrangement.

She is right to ask though, is this horse worth 2k, I certainly would. Its just unfortunate that you are both on here.

I am the seller in my case, I find out on sunday if my pony returns or is paid for, but one thing I woulld say is you have to draw the line somewhere, you guys should resolve this once and for all, ie. OP buys or returns x
 
Of if she's already started paying for him, she's taking the pee, price is 2k !

Wow cheeky cow, I am so sorry, I did not know this.

If she doesn't maintain payments you can take back, and u don't have to refund.

I hope u have a written agreement.
 
annaellie said:
I also have to add does anyone know where I will stand on taking him back, if it comes to that as she has paid 2 installments off him the last one being 27th June that was still at the orig agreed price.
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give her the money back and take him home - thats what i would do myself.
 
I have sympathies with both sides, however:

Seller: you have said yourself he is happy, spoilt, well cared for - I would drop the price. The second you have him back he is going to start costing you money and this will eat into any of the £2k you are hoping to get, not to mention create a horrible situation regarding the payments already made.

I can understand you feel annoyed but in the best interests of the horse I would let him go at a lower negotiated price - in this climate healthy horses are being PTS because no-one wants them.

Buyer - personally I think it was very rude to post about him on here, and it's not done you any favours negogiating wise! However it's lovely you are wanting to keep this horse and I hope you can come to some agreement with the seller, and it's a happpy ending for all!
 
minigal said:
I have sympathies with both sides, however:

Seller: you have said yourself he is happy, spoilt, well cared for - I would drop the price. The second you have him back he is going to start costing you money and this will eat into any of the £2k you are hoping to get, not to mention create a horrible situation regarding the payments already made.

I can understand you feel annoyed but in the best interests of the horse I would let him go at a lower negotiated price - in this climate healthy horses are being PTS because no-one wants them.

Buyer - personally I think it was very rude to post about him on here, and it's not done you any favours negogiating wise! However it's lovely you are wanting to keep this horse and I hope you can come to some agreement with the seller, and it's a happpy ending for all!
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Thats the point though if last month when I said I could only extend the loan for an extra month and am happy to take it in installments if you dont have the out right cash to buy. I f she would of said well since we agreed on a price xyz has gone wrong can we disscuss, I would have been more than happy to negotaite.
Reading it on a open forum is what has got my back up, though for the horses sake am still willing to negotate on it.
 
annaellie said:
Thats the point though if last month when I said I could only extend the loan for an extra month and am happy to take it in installments if you dont have the out right cash to buy. I f she would of said well since we agreed on a price xyz has gone wrong can we disscuss, I would have been more than happy to negotaite.
Reading it on a open forum is what has got my back up, though for the horses sake am still willing to negotate on it.
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That's more than fair Annallie - good on you for keeping calm and cool! Hope you and the OP resolve amicably now.

I think the trouble is it's all too easy to put in forums words you shouldn't and leave out words you should have included. Everyone can be guilty of that. OP is clearly quite devoted to the horse which is lovely and maybe was not bold enough to say upfront re price simply just thought it through after and unfortunately asked on open forum for backup.
 
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