A little advice on a jumping exercise needed!

Fiona

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Took D and Sophie for an SJ lesson this evening. Went well, one exercise in particular with trot or canter poles on a serpentine was really great.
We did one at the end which he found v difficult..
Consists of three fences in a line (each 36 feet or a normal three strides apart), and firstly all were v small and asked to approach in canter and put four strides inbetween each part. This went OK.
Then fences 2 and three went up to about 1-1.05 and he had to put 4 strides inbetween no 1 and 2, then open up for three strides between 2 and 3. He managed this eventually on one rein, but not on the other, in fact it was quite funny as Sophie quite obviously thought he was going mad, noticeably twitched the reins out of his hand over 1, and did the line perfectly with three and three strides.
Obviously in a way this demonstrates that she is still perhaps slightly behind the leg, and not able to push her into the bigger canter necessary for the three strides from 2 to 3.
However I thought this was quite an advanced exercise in that I have only ever done onerel dist at a time before - ie 2 fences 50 feet apart and jump in five strides, then shorten for six, and even perhaps lengthen for four.
Have never done a shorten and a lengthen in the same distance before esp with the dist set as standard ie 36 ft between each.
Sorry - am rambling here, but just wondering if any of you have tried anything similar, if so did you manage it OK, and if not how did you get it eventually.
Must admit if had been at home would have moved the middle part a foot or too to make it easier at the start and then perhaps sneaked it back again.
Any suggestions??

She is a v v careful mare, and perhaps doesn't need to do this type of exercise as much as a horse who is careless in front. Would we be better doing everything on forward distances to teach her always to go forwards.

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Exercises like this can be so demoralising for the horse if they cant quite get it right so I'd leave well alone- yes play around with shortening and lengthening but over further distance would prob be more suitable
 

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Our comp pony hates these exercises, she prefers to arrive at the jump in an active canter and sort it out from there. She gets very stressed if you try to shorten 3 to 4, however she will oblige 5 to 6 or 4.

We do find eventing wise you often don't get to walk the SJ due to clashing times so you just have to guess a bit anyway.
 

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Errrm.....48 feet would be a 'normal' 3 strides for a horse (allowing for take-off and landing)...

Assuming the distances were right, then the exercise is just demonstrating how difficult it is to lengthen and shorten strides. I suspect the horse is *learning* to put in 3 strides and then struggling to adapt when asked to change.
 

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Sounds like a useful exercise for Lexi - she loves that sort of thing. Will build it at home as soon as she is fit!

Some horses find these sort of exercises easy, others find it hard and need a bit longer to get it right.

Boss makes a good point above about how demoralising it can be for both horse and rider if they can't manage to get an exercise right. Hopefully your instructor will realise they have pushed a bit too far this time and will tone it down a bit at her next lesson to build up their confidence again. If not you may need to have a chat.
 

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Have just realised I have mis-typed distances.
It was 16 paces (or 48 ft) between each fence ie a normal three stride distance.
Would be v interested if anyone tried it to see how easy/hard it is.

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If I was laying something like this out, I would perhaps put a short related distance on one long side of the school and a long dist on the other, then could practice shortening and lengthening off the corners. What do you think?

Instructor is a pure SJ though, and his young WB could do it perfectly.

BTW - dist was 48 ft (16 paces) not 36 (was up too late last night).

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Lexi isn't going to be fit enough to try this for a few more weeks (just started walking yesterday after her holidays). Will try to remember to give it a go and let you know how she gets on.

She is only 5 but very clever with her feet and specialises in this sort of exercise. Usually takes a couple of tries to work it out and then she will do it all day!

My other 5 year-old Merry would have absolutely no chance! Like Lexi he is also an athletic TB but far less neat with his feet (but he is far greener than she is - he will get better bless him).
 

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Phew thank goodness fot that. I will say though that most showjumpers do not mess with a 3 stride distance. 4 strides can be made into 5. & 5 can be done in 4 or six etc. But as Billy Twoomey always says. " tree is tree" LOL there just is not enough room to make the alterations from landing to next take off point unless you have a seriously well trained horse & rider.
 

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Thanks for that freshman. Sophie showjumps in a more "eventing"y sort of way ie forward in a nice rhythm, and D does not try to set her up at all, so this exercise (though demonstrating that her canter needs further work to become rounder) is perhaps not the sort of thing that would benefit her.
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