A little concerned about the amount of weight threads at the moment

Am I the only one who thinks its no bad thing for overweight children to get a bit of inspiration to slim down?

This issue really gets to me. People are forever making excuses for, and sparing the feelings of people who are overweight, often at the expense of others.

I DON'T believe children should be taught to 'love your weight, whatever you are,' because being overweight is limiting and unhealthy.
I believe it's cruelty on the parents part to allow a child to become overweight.


All these weight threads really annoy me.

They have now started in nursery up here - for 3 years olds - discussing foods and weight etc. Now I do not mind this, but the last 4 weeks have been a pain as she will ask if EVERYTHING has sugar in it, then cry if it does as she cant eat it........queue MASSIVE tantrum when we replied that milk as sugar in it. I have tried to take it further than the nursery have in explaining the good and bad fats and sugars but she will not have it and takes the nurserys teachings as gospel. A few of the parents are angry as - only the girls by the way! - came home and complained they were fat and could not have any dinner or they would get fatter. This included my daighter...........whos ribs and backbone I can see and is not a 'fat' child (nor is she super skinny but there is nothing to grab of her).

Unfortunately it takes group involvement.............as in my OH and try healthy eating, then his mother arrives and OMG, its like a freaking dustbin. And LO sees this and thinks its ok.......I mean the woman ate 4/5ths a block of butter from thurs to Monday afternoon........I dont even eat that in 6 weeks...but then blames her 'steroids' on her weight. And she gives LO chocolate and sweets EVERY day when she is here. I said before LO is not fat.......however I can see from 5 days of MIL being here LO has a fat face as she has eaten god knows how much crap. I try to hide it and say no but MIL gives it to her when we are not looking..........grrrrrrrrrr.

I was a fat child. My dad gave us all offshore portions of food, which we HAD to finish. Even though I spent the majority of my childhood outside I was always overweight.........at 10 yrs old I was 5ft4 and 10 stone. My mother was the same in her youth but now struggles to get any weight about 8stone.

OH thinks I am lax if I dont make LO eat all her dinner.......but I dont want her to eat past her comfort point. If she is hungry later then tough, she gets her milk before bed then the next day she can eat more of her meals if she is hungry.

Im currently obese...im 19stone and 33 weeks pregnant...........I have only put on 4lbs since I found out I am pregnant and putting on any more scares me so I hardly eat (well have no appetite or space for it anyway!). I need to get back to my healthy pre DD1 weight of 12 stone (which I am aware is still large for a 5ft 6.5 person, but any lower and I end up with continually ill)
 
I think the problem discussing eating food with children is very difficult , I see this in my nephew who thinks salt will kill him because he got the idea at school children are very black and white it's easy to teach them killing people is wrong but the issues with food and an easy relationship with it are nuanced and difficult to articulate we are not getting it right ATM.
 
I think the problem discussing eating food with children is very difficult , I see this in my nephew who thinks salt will kill him because he got the idea at school children are very black and white it's easy to teach them killing people is wrong but the issues with food and an easy relationship with it are nuanced and difficult to articulate we are not getting it right ATM.

Which is why parents have to be the biggest influence and discuss in detail everything they learn from outside such as the crazy 10% guidance and the information on salt.
 
Which is why parents have to be the biggest influence and discuss in detail everything they learn from outside such as the crazy 10% guidance and the information on salt.

This is it exactly but when parents have shall we say slight hang ups is this area I can see how easily it can go wrong .
I am just back from Italy the third thinnest place in Europe where their relaxed enjoyment of good food is a real pleasure.
 
But how many children will have read that article? How many children read newspapers. No one is saying that 10% is what we should be aiming for. People have latched onto it just because of the word 'optimum'. However, the study founf 15% to be fine. It is up to parents to convey this to their children, should they have happened to read the article.

Like it or not, there ARE horses suffering because their riders are too heavy. Are we to be banned from talking about it? It is, after all, a welfare issue.
 
I'm 25 and getting anxious about all this talk about being too heavy for your horse. I'm 5'4, between 9 - 10 stone and ride a 14.2 arab. He carries me fine, can fly over fences with me with ease and regularly tanks off whenever he fancies it, so no, I don't think I'm too big for him - even though I look a bit long on him - I have long legs.

However, as a teenager I developed an eating disorder (abusive relationship - be skinnier and I'll stop hitting you) and it was so easy to stop eating and lose a dramatic amount of weight. And I wasn't unhappy with my body to start with. A couple of slices of toast and lots of water to fill me up was all I would have in a day. After eventually collapsing daily I finally gave myself a huge shake up - got rid of the boyfriend and started trying to eat again (my stomach had shrunk so it took a while!).
I stopped buying all those womens magazines with size zero, photoshopped models on the front, instead buying more horsey mags and aspiring to be the riders in those rather than the models in Cosmopolitan etc.

So now that this 'everyone should lose weight' stigma is hitting the horsey world it is very worrying. Although I am fairly happy in my own skin (currently sat on my backside scoffing a bag of haribo lol ;) ) what if there are girls out there who are so easily influenced by what they see, like I was?

Girls ARE influenced by what they see in front of them.
Right now I am fit, slim, healthy, well toned and regularly get told by the male species that I am 'well fit' (amongst other crude things lol :p) but if I look in a glossy womens mag I am overcome by guilt and horror and disgust at the way I look! They make me feel fat and horribly ugly!

I can't help but think that this is the governments latest way of tackling the obesity problem. They aren't going to stop people eating junk food, so why not scare everyone into thinking they are overweight? It makes me really angry.

I think I've gone way off on a tangent, but I'm just trying to say I thought I was safe and secure in the horsey world, by not being made to feel like I am overweight, and now it seems, harming my horse. I haven't done the calculations, and I won't, because although I am physically over the eating disorder, mentally I am not, and I'm scared it would push me over the edge and I don't want to go back there again.

Rant over.
 
But how many children will have read that article? How many children read newspapers. No one is saying that 10% is what we should be aiming for. People have latched onto it just because of the word 'optimum'. However, the study founf 15% to be fine. It is up to parents to convey this to their children, should they have happened to read the article.

Like it or not, there ARE horses suffering because their riders are too heavy. Are we to be banned from talking about it? It is, after all, a welfare issue.

Don't lets talk though about the number of abandonned horses or overflowing welfare centres though.They affect horse welfare too actually but its not nearly so much fun discussing that is it?
 
i am a 13 year old girl and am in the perfect wieght range in my bmi ( 5ft9 , 63kg) and ride a very small young pony , i never thought about being to tall, heavy untill a lady at my yard walked up to me and said i was way to tall and looked terrible , i have been obsessing over my height , weight ever since ( my pony is a 14.3hh ,4 year old trotter X and he weighs about 400kg ............
 
I'm 25 and getting anxious about all this talk about being too heavy for your horse. I'm 5'4, between 9 - 10 stone and ride a 14.2 arab. He carries me fine, can fly over fences with me with ease and regularly tanks off whenever he fancies it, so no, I don't think I'm too big for him - even though I look a bit long on him - I have long legs.

However, as a teenager I developed an eating disorder (abusive relationship - be skinnier and I'll stop hitting you) and it was so easy to stop eating and lose a dramatic amount of weight. And I wasn't unhappy with my body to start with. A couple of slices of toast and lots of water to fill me up was all I would have in a day. After eventually collapsing daily I finally gave myself a huge shake up - got rid of the boyfriend and started trying to eat again (my stomach had shrunk so it took a while!).
I stopped buying all those womens magazines with size zero, photoshopped models on the front, instead buying more horsey mags and aspiring to be the riders in those rather than the models in Cosmopolitan etc.

So now that this 'everyone should lose weight' stigma is hitting the horsey world it is very worrying. Although I am fairly happy in my own skin (currently sat on my backside scoffing a bag of haribo lol ;) ) what if there are girls out there who are so easily influenced by what they see, like I was?

Girls ARE influenced by what they see in front of them.
Right now I am fit, slim, healthy, well toned and regularly get told by the male species that I am 'well fit' (amongst other crude things lol :p) but if I look in a glossy womens mag I am overcome by guilt and horror and disgust at the way I look! They make me feel fat and horribly ugly!

I can't help but think that this is the governments latest way of tackling the obesity problem. They aren't going to stop people eating junk food, so why not scare everyone into thinking they are overweight? It makes me really angry.

I think I've gone way off on a tangent, but I'm just trying to say I thought I was safe and secure in the horsey world, by not being made to feel like I am overweight, and now it seems, harming my horse. I haven't done the calculations, and I won't, because although I am physically over the eating disorder, mentally I am not, and I'm scared it would push me over the edge and I don't want to go back there again.

Rant over.

I have a friend who to be quite blunt is fat.She tells me she was fat as a child but I have seen her photos and she wasn't actally but you can see from her oversized clothes and body language that she considered herself fat.She really has an eating disorder now.She does things like AN ALL FRUIT DIET.Yes she does eat only fruit for the day then gets so frustrated and hungry she eats 3 times as much as she would normally anyway.We went out to lunch and I ordered steak and chips, she ordered steak and salad.Very laudable except that she ate most of my chips and then kidded herself that she had just had salad. I don't think making fun of people who are overweight is at all helpful anymore than making fun of smokers or alcholics or whatever.The reasons behind obesity are quite complex I think.There is also a difference between trying to take a healthy interest in your diet and lifestyle and obsessing about it which really just makes it worse. Funnily enough my friend is an absolute b**ch to anyone who she considers overweight.
 
Excellent post by Patterdale.
Nobody has been the least bit concerned that lots of the threads have contained negative opinions on thin people. On here alone, let alone real life I've read plenty of comments about sticks, coat racks, too thin, unhealthy, not real women, men don't like sticks, etc etc. (and I'm not actually including the thread where billy & I were actually having a friendly laugh about it, I mean in general). Plus the fact its apparently ok in rl to randomly comment on thin people, or call them unnatural. As an adult, it doesn't actually bother me. As a skinny teen, if I'd read some of the remarks on here about sticks etc, I would have been really hurt. But that's ok, let's only worry about the fatties feelings, everybody knows nobody is ever naturally thin & healthy, just anorexic & unnatural. Yeah right. I will say one thing though, my child's naturally thin too, & will be a skinny teen in all likelihood, she's me all over. And the first time she gets negative comments about it, which she will, depending on her age either I will rip the parents size to pieces, or if she's a teen I certainly won't be correcting her if she makes equally rude fat comments as replies. Believe it or not, practically every teen is critical of their size, & there is no way I'm promoting some fat is fine policy, not only because its unhealthy, but its actually really offensive to naturally skinny teens.
 
On the other hand my step son who is Indian was always very slim.He got quite obsessed by it because Indians in particular always kept telling him he was skinny weak etc.He ate well, was healthy and active.I kept telling him that many people would kill to be his weight.
 
Yep kids are definately getting fatter; the statistics are scary and you only need to go to the local pool to see it's true!
Apparently 3/4 of their parents don't believe their child is overweight too.

However almost all of the horsey kids we know are very slim and look great in their johds but then they tend to be active outdoors types I suppose.
Another good reason to get them into ponies.......
 
and it is up to the parents to teach them common sense that 10% is unrealistic. I know plenty of fat children and very few skinny ones so I suspect that obesity is the far greater problem on the whole.

I don't believe 30 % of children are anorexic but 30% of children are obese. https://www.gov.uk/government/policies/reducing-obesity-and-improving-diet

Those are worrying statistics! I haven't been in the UK for almost 10 years but my husband goes regularly and he said it's scary seeing so many obese adults and children there now.
 
I'm 25 and getting anxious about all this talk about being too heavy for your horse. I'm 5'4, between 9 - 10 stone and ride a 14.2 arab. He carries me fine, can fly over fences with me with ease and regularly tanks off whenever he fancies it, so no, I don't think I'm too big for him - even though I look a bit long on him - I have long legs.

However, as a teenager I developed an eating disorder (abusive relationship - be skinnier and I'll stop hitting you) and it was so easy to stop eating and lose a dramatic amount of weight. And I wasn't unhappy with my body to start with. A couple of slices of toast and lots of water to fill me up was all I would have in a day. After eventually collapsing daily I finally gave myself a huge shake up - got rid of the boyfriend and started trying to eat again (my stomach had shrunk so it took a while!).
I stopped buying all those womens magazines with size zero, photoshopped models on the front, instead buying more horsey mags and aspiring to be the riders in those rather than the models in Cosmopolitan etc.

So now that this 'everyone should lose weight' stigma is hitting the horsey world it is very worrying. Although I am fairly happy in my own skin (currently sat on my backside scoffing a bag of haribo lol ;) ) what if there are girls out there who are so easily influenced by what they see, like I was?

Girls ARE influenced by what they see in front of them.
Right now I am fit, slim, healthy, well toned and regularly get told by the male species that I am 'well fit' (amongst other crude things lol :p) but if I look in a glossy womens mag I am overcome by guilt and horror and disgust at the way I look! They make me feel fat and horribly ugly!

I can't help but think that this is the governments latest way of tackling the obesity problem. They aren't going to stop people eating junk food, so why not scare everyone into thinking they are overweight? It makes me really angry.

I think I've gone way off on a tangent, but I'm just trying to say I thought I was safe and secure in the horsey world, by not being made to feel like I am overweight, and now it seems, harming my horse. I haven't done the calculations, and I won't, because although I am physically over the eating disorder, mentally I am not, and I'm scared it would push me over the edge and I don't want to go back there again.

Rant over.

/\ /\ /\ Great Post ;)

Like you (but much older!) I am 5'4 and around 10 st. I probably joke to myself that I could lose a bit but the reality is its not weight I need to lose but toning up and that is only achieved through exercise.
I do sometimes despair though at obese people in general, especially when the kids are the same. Many times Ive stood at the checkout watching the crap that comes out of over flowing shopping trolleys. Every single item is for instant self gratification, an easy fix of sugar, salt and whatever else is put into processed junk. What chance do some kids have when it becomes an addiction. No different to obese horses and we all now how we feel about that :mad: If its convenience food people want why don't they just spend 20 mins in the morning shoving stuff in a slow cooker, job done - thats convenient!
I refuse point blank to allow my kids to become influenced by advertising, the media or even their friends. I will have nothing in my house that makes any of us feel abnormal or shamed about our bodies and got rid of sky tv years back.
Some of us are born to be slim, some curvy, some tall, some short but it's up to parents to ensure that our kids remain healthy.
What we need in this country is a massive shake up on our food and culture but that is never going to happen and we will continue to be ruled and influenced by the large supermarket chains, macdonalds, vogue etc etc like some experimental guinea pigs.
My real fear at the moment is far more serious health issues, people can lose weight or put on weight really when needed but beneath this is a lifestyle dominated by plastics, processed foods, products that contain chemicals so harmful and having lost two friends recently to cancer and another diagnosed last week for me its not about just living a healthy lifestyle, its about changing the entire way we live.
 
When i was a child i danced. Did all the exams etc, won all the competitions and it was decided i should audition for the royal ballet school. I was told that i danced very well for a hefty girl!
Now at 25 im a size 8 but i have never danced since that.
I think yes there are plenty of obese children but its the ones at a healthy weight who can misinterperet these things.
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I find it a bit worrying as well. I think i am quite a small build. But then i see people the same height as me weighing 7.5 stone and saying they look healthy
 
i am a 13 year old girl and am in the perfect wieght range in my bmi ( 5ft9 , 63kg) and ride a very small young pony , i never thought about being to tall, heavy untill a lady at my yard walked up to me and said i was way to tall and looked terrible , i have been obsessing over my height , weight ever since ( my pony is a 14.3hh ,4 year old trotter X and he weighs about 400kg ............

dont take any notice you are a healthy weight for your height, as for riding a 14.3 i ride my daughters and i'm 5ft 8 1/2 and weigh nearly 10 stone and he is just over 400kg. Just enjoy him :)
 
Pressed send to early oops! And it makes me think to i have a really warped body image of myself in my head?? Am i actually a heiffer??? deep down i know im not but theres so much pressure to be light. I dont know its all very confusing!! Im 5ft 6 and 8st 8.
 
Don't lets talk though about the number of abandonned horses or overflowing welfare centres though.They affect horse welfare too actually but its not nearly so much fun discussing that is it?

That gets talked about all the time on here. You really are not making any sense. Are you saying that we can't tak about lesser welfare cases because there are worse welfare cases going on? :confused: Are you some self appointed moderator telling us what we can and cannot discuss? For someone who doesn't seem to give a fig about how much weight horses should have to carry, you are spending an awful amount of time on these threads.
 
As an adult, it doesn't actually bother me. As a skinny teen, if I'd read some of the remarks on here about sticks etc, I would have been really hurt.

Presumably though, you could have taken solace in the fact that every woman you see in magazines, on the television, in movies, on the catwalk, in adverts, etc, etc, is thin. Every '100 Hottest Women' list you read would have been populated by girls who looked like you. Every magazine would have been full of articles about how to get to your weight. Not that I'm saying that criticizing women for being too thin isn't as bad, just that I don't think it has the same potential for longterm psychological damage.

I will say one thing though, my child's naturally thin too, & will be a skinny teen in all likelihood, she's me all over. And the first time she gets negative comments about it, which she will, depending on her age either I will rip the parents size to pieces, or if she's a teen I certainly won't be correcting her if she makes equally rude fat comments as replies.

Because God forbid you try teaching her that women's bodies are not public property to be judged and commented on, whatever their size. :rolleyes: That whether you are thin or fat, that's your business and nothing to do with a single other person. And that women ought to be supporting each other, rather than ripping each other apart over patriarchal beauty standards.
 
Heebijeebies and Gwiniver, neither of you need to worry. As usual, it is those who need worry the least, that seem to worry the most.
 
Because God forbid you try teaching her that women's bodies are not public property to be judged and commented on, whatever their size. :rolleyes: That whether you are thin or fat, that's your business and nothing to do with a single other person. And that women ought to be supporting each other, rather than ripping each other apart over patriarchal beauty standards.

Well said
 
Why can people not just push themselves to be healthy? Too many fat people, too many skeletons. Why are people not more concerned with being a natural, healthy weight?

I'm not perfect, but I make sure I don't get too thin and don't get too fat!
 
Heebijeebies and Gwiniver, neither of you need to worry. As usual, it is those who need worry the least, that seem to worry the most.

And isn't that the whole point of this thread?

So many good points here and a sad reflection on all sorts of things, yes it's sad to see fat kids, yes it is heartbreaking to see kids who have no need to worry about their weight being bullied by the media, sports coaches, etc. and possibly making themselves ill over it.

The answer is of course so simple, turn the clock back 40 or 50 years, take away the internet, have TV that starts in the evening and finishes at midnight, make your kid walk to school and back, have food that is home made and still scarce enough that you have to eat everything. Fat kids were a rarity when I was growing up. Yeah should have a sarcasm font because it isn't simple, and parents are fighting a huge battle against the power of advertising and the outside influences that shape their kids.

Yes I wish every kid was a healthy weight, but again as you say it is the sensitive kids who will be most worried about this, and that is a shame.
 
But how many children will have read that article? How many children read newspapers. No one is saying that 10% is what we should be aiming for. People have latched onto it just because of the word 'optimum'. However, the study founf 15% to be fine. It is up to parents to convey this to their children, should they have happened to read the article.

Like it or not, there ARE horses suffering because their riders are too heavy. Are we to be banned from talking about it? It is, after all, a welfare issue.

Exacty and I for one will not be protecting my children from being aware of their weight and what is healthy and what is a suitable weight to put on a pony IMO.

Yes there are some thin children with emotional problems associated with food, but it is the minority and the majority, when they get to be adults, are currently heading towards obesity.
 
And isn't that the whole point of this thread?

So many good points here and a sad reflection on all sorts of things, yes it's sad to see fat kids, yes it is heartbreaking to see kids who have no need to worry about their weight being bullied by the media, sports coaches, etc. and possibly making themselves ill over it.

The answer is of course so simple, turn the clock back 40 or 50 years, take away the internet, have TV that starts in the evening and finishes at midnight, make your kid walk to school and back, have food that is home made and still scarce enough that you have to eat everything. Fat kids were a rarity when I was growing up. Yeah should have a sarcasm font because it isn't simple, and parents are fighting a huge battle against the power of advertising and the outside influences that shape their kids.

Yes I wish every kid was a healthy weight, but again as you say it is the sensitive kids who will be most worried about this, and that is a shame.

Sometimes I wish we could turn back the clock 40/50 years. No more than that though as I couldn't stomach some of the things my nan had to eat as a kid :eek: to which she constantly reminds us of!

Seriously though it is about health not just weight. I live opposite a post office and every school morning without fail come the entourage of kids spending their dinner money on Toxic Waste sweets and Red Bull. By the time they are at school they are completely wired and crashing at about 11 with nothing more to eat until they get home. Probably then it's pizza or MacD. :(
 
I think perhaps if we concentrated on living healthy lives as a nation and did not get so hung up on wieght ( at both extremes of the scale ) and diets and made living active fulfilling lives a priority the wieght problems would decrease.
Do stuff in your house in your garden with your friends with your mind ,learn things challenge yourself and put wieght and diet in its proper place within a life.
 
I think perhaps if we concentrated on living healthy lives as a nation and did not get so hung up on wieght ( at both extremes of the scale ) and diets and made living active fulfilling lives a priority the wieght problems would decrease.
Do stuff in your house in your garden with your friends with your mind ,learn things challenge yourself and put wieght and diet in its proper place within a life.

Gets my vote
 
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