A little help please - where would you put the stables?

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Choice of A/B/C?

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Option A - in the field, possibly around an arena, quite exposed, about a 150m hike from house to yard

Option C would look like this, nice and close to the house. Would likely come under permitted development. No planning required in theory at least.

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Option would be the same but further back - planners have said they would refuse. Might technically be part of my garden, in which case it would be permitted development but a bit iffy to try and get round the planners like that.
 
C. :) Not so far to dash in the pouring rain in pj's and wellies :D

ps. Why doesn't your house have windows? ;) No point having horses at the end of the garden if you can't see them :) ;)
 
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hmmm, tricky...
can I ask some additional questions?
1. did you know on what grounds the application will be refused?
2. how many acres have you got? how far from the field to other houses?
3. how many stables?
 
I like the look of the one that you said the planners might refuse - but thats pointless even considering if they will create problems. In you garden, option C would be too close for me personally - wouldn't want the muckheap in the garden. Option A - in the field would work. We have our stables like this. We put them in a L shape, with their backs to the prevailing wind. We planted trees around the stables to shelter them too. The horses like having the view of the field, and can see their friends if they have to stay in for some reason. 150 yards is not that far away...

Good luck. I hated the planners when we were applying for ours! How posh are your computer generated plans!!
 
Planners think it is too close to neighbouring housing estate - citing amenities, noise and smell. However they have approved an 8 stable block much closer to residential houses in the same village, but on the basis that it is an existing training yard whereas this is a new yard being built. I argued my case but she wasn't having it.

Option A is the Southeast corner of 10 acres. There are no other houses nearby - all the houses in the estate lie to the East.

Plan was to apply for 8 stables. I would settle for less but she was adamant that the site was the problem. I argued that the site is a breeding stud and that to breed (as would be the plan) you need to have the stables sited as close to the house as possible so that you're there if anything goes wrong. She took my point but wasn't budging.
 
Plans were done using my amazing new computer programme which superimposed the Google Earth image for me and everything. Amaze-balls! :)
 
I think I would go for option A if it has a chance of succeeding in planning, if not, maybe another tack - have you explored the possibility of permitted development in the field, I mean agricultural PD, for an American Barn, which of course wouldn't be an american barn at all ;)
 
Yes, planners would be ok with Option A, I think, but it means withdrawing the entire application and starting again.
 
hmmm, but doesn't moving them into option C mean withdrawing the application as well and then applying for the determination of PD? That can take as much time as new application, then there is the matter of private use - is that something that affects you?
 
No, because the application was for option B, I'd have to withdraw it completely and pay another fee to submit it for option A. :( So just trying to work round it a bit.
 
I suppose what I'm trying to say is, that application fee you have paid is a goner either way, whether you withdraw it or it gets refused... sorry. But then you have 2 options: apply for option A and leave yourself some scope for further development later on (like more stables, commercial equestrian use or whatever it is you fancy/need) or try to battle the domestic permitted development and go with option c.
If you go for C, that will certainly be private use only - you can't have it both ways, you see, PD applies to things incidental to enjoyment of the dwelling, so no way for a livery for example, or even breeding operation.
If they tell you that in fact you do need PP for option C anyway, you would have lost quite a lot of time messing about with PD.
 
TBH it does look quite close to the buildings over the hedge..

I'd re apply for A. Its not that far from your house. Ours are just the same distance, and its no problem nipping out at night with the dogs... CCTV would work on that range when it came to foaling.

Sounds like you had a planner like ours - they told us to apply for the stables to be in one place, then turned us down when we applied. We ended up having a big "discussion" with the planning lady, and I said that I would be buying several old lorries to park up to house the horses if I didn't get planing for stables, which would look much worse than my stables, but wouldn't need planning! They then compromised and offered me two less stables, which I accepted. Later we added two portable stables, which they have not noticed!
 
I think option C is a bit close to the house but I think the more important consideration is access. How will you get muck emptied, hay delivered, vet/farrier to stables etc? It might be better to have the stables in the garden if the access is along side the house else you'll lose half the garden to make a track for option A. I wouldn't argue for option B - better to stay on the right side of the planners!
 
Mine are about as close as the nearest ones. Super, foaling alarms work etc. Like having them in your lounge BUT far too much part of the house to make taking liveries comfortable (and that was the plan). Think carefully about this because if you ever do decide to go commercial or even just do some cost cutting then having them further away will be more comfortable.
 
I agree if you cant get B then C is going to be unlikley, esp if you are going to be a business and not PD. I think A would allow you to go the full hog and get want you want, always better to have more stables and space than you need - good luck
 
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