A "no shoes" question (never thought I'd ask)

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OK....I admit, I am coming cap in hand to the "barefoot taliban" asking for help. ;) I'm not anti-barefoot in any way, however I've always been of the "my horse is unshod" camp. Pony in question is a native who has never worn shoes in his life (7 years) and is not intending to now if at all possible.

Pony's feet are rock hard, they get slightly chipped round the edge but nothing extreme, he is trimmed by a farrier every 8 weeks-ish and has never had a problem. (have noticed farrier has a tendency to trim his frogs??)

Recently I've noticed him being slightly footy on the chalk tracks we occasionally hack on - these tracks are rough chalk tracks with loose stones and rocks on them. He seems to feel these loose rocks. he is absolutely fine on hard / soft fields, mud tracks, tarmac, smooth tracks and in the school.

Routine is: out for approx 6 hours on a strip grazed field (unfortunately strip grazed is used in the loosest sense of the word as we need to move the fence by 1 fence post at a time (approx 12 feet) - I do this once a fortnight and the fist few days he is out for less time). Most of the time his field is pretty bald.

Weight wise he is pretty good at the moment, maybe slightly well covered but he is a fell and I'm definitely fighting nature here. Can feel ribs with firm (but not crazy) pressure.

He gets 2kg very fibrous old stalky hay when he comes in and 3-kg hay overnight.

feed: half a stubbs scoop of hifi lite, Spillers lite balancer, NAF D-Itch supplement and seaweed.

Exercise: exercised 6 days a week (well, that's the aim, 5 at a minimum) - combination of schooling, hacking and maybe one lunge per week.

Anything else I can do to help foot-wise?

I half think that one problem is that the rain has exposed more of the rock on our hacking tracks - but I can't really blame the ground!

Thanks in advance for your help.

:)
 
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Well, it sounds like the grazing/hay situation is under control (although you could soak the hay).

So I'd look at your minerals. Perhaps try switching the spillers and seaweed (prob don't need both) for one of the following:

Pro Hoof

Pro Balance+

One of the Forage Plus balancers

Equimins META balance is only available over the phone (01548 531770
), though I've heard reports about people being refused it, for some reason.
 
It soundds like you are doing a great job. My mare has been a teeny bit footy on stones and my trimmer put it down to a bit of thrush and soft soles caused by all the rain we have had. I hope your horse improves soon :O)

Putting shoes on will only mask any underlying problem, not solve it :eek: xx
 
If the hay isnt soaked you could do that (for 8 hours min)
Consider hoofboots with pads in, that would enable the exercise to continue until weather changes and soles harden up.
are the soles quite concave or quite flat?
dont let farrier trim frogs except a loose flap
 
I would be thinking frogs too I hacked out yesterday on mine who has been great but to my horror he was footy on our nasty stoney road he has been going great got back really depressed . Today had a really good poke round and he's got a tiny slightly grotty bit right in the cleft of his frog feel bad not to have noticed but I am hoping this what it is.
Does not seem to take much wrong with the frog for them to really notice.
 
Try asking an expert like your farrier he will know more than people on here!

Probably, but not certainly.....most farriers are good and I agree that should be the first port of call but a proportion are wedded to a 'summer hunter turnout' trim which is fine for a temporary shoes off turned away scenario but unsuitable for a never shod horse in a decent amount of work.

Hopefully farrier is the former...they have more knowledge for sure than many on here, but not necess than all (eg there are farriers on here, barefoot professionals and experts on all sorts of other relevant things).
 
THanks guys. DEfinitely don't want to put shoes on. Was wondering about minerals? I love the spillers balancer, he's looked so well on it. The seaweed was a bit of an impulse buy as I'd heard it was good for feet and black coats, probably not! Any more ideas welcome, or sources of reference to read re supplementation. THanks.
 
Try asking an expert like your farrier he will know more than people on here!

I wish you were right but unfortunately this is not necessarily correct :( My friend had a footie pony and the farrier said all it needed was shoes. Later went down with full blown laminitis. I evented a horse that two farriers told me would never manage to work without shoes on. There isn't actually anything specific in the syllabus about keeping horses working hard with no shoes on. If they get that experience it's only because the master that they serve has some on his books, ie a sheer fluke.



OP I would stop feeding seeweed unless you know for sure that your forage is low in iodine and iron. Iodine in excess is bad and iron prevents the take-up of copper, which will give many horses slight laminitic issues.

I would add magnesium oxide 20g , good for carb digestion regulation and brewers yeast 30g or yea-sacc 15g to his diet, both are great for gut health to digest carbs.

And I would definitely soak ALL the hay, rough stuff as well, for 12 hours in lots of water before feeding.

You are doing so much that is right, I do hope that these little tweaks will sort things out. If they don't I would be tempted to test for Cushings and Insulin Resistance, given his history of being fine for years so far.
 
Can you tell us what teh ingredients are to spillers balancer? I cant find them online so cant help on that.

Mineral wise Pro Hoof, sold on Ebay is very good, or Sarah at Forage Plus makes her own also very good.

Dont let your farrier start trimming the frogs else he will be majorly sore!
 
Can you tell us what teh ingredients are to spillers balancer? I cant find them online so cant help on that.

Mineral wise Pro Hoof, sold on Ebay is very good, or Sarah at Forage Plus makes her own also very good.

Dont let your farrier start trimming the frogs else he will be majorly sore!

As a farrier i trim any excess, as the frog when restored to its natural shape gives the farrier a point of reference regarding trimming the hoof.I had a client that had a feathered cob,she would call me every 12-14 weeks as the feet got long and appeared from the mass of feathers. Every summer july/aug time trimming the frog would reveal maggots.Not a problem as they do a service eating the necrotic horn...
 
Oooo little bit icky that hoof guy ! But worrying also.

I think the weather is playing havoc at the moment with all sorts of things. Moisture content, sugar content of grass etc. have a good look and perhaps clean with something to kill any bugs. Then consider boots. I'm looking at a set for my boy at the moment as he's a little unhappy on our stony paths but great everywhere else.

Looking at some cavallos for a starter set.
 
Yes in so much as they stop the symptom but they are temporary and do not cause the longer term problems seen with shoes. I'm not saying don't look for A cause or treat the problem but if it makes ponio more comfy in the short term.
 
I find the idea of using hoof boots, for horses or ponies which have problems when ridden, to be somewhat hypocritical when advocated in conjunction with 'barefoot' management.
 
If the horse is not sound when ridden, without boots, then it is not sound and the management is not what the horse requires to be without shoes.
 
I find the idea of using hoof boots, for horses or ponies which have problems when ridden, to be somewhat hypocritical when advocated in conjunction with 'barefoot' management.

I quite agree, farriery is governed by an act of law where as anybody is free to trim feet.. you,me,the vicar etc, so, yes i suppose hoof boots do contradict the theory of barefoot.I doubt many horse`s went to war barefoot. I`m all for barefoot and i recommend it as and when the breed/feet can handle what the workload is.. sometimes all it takes is a pair of front shoes or boots to cheer the horse up... simple!
 
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