A plea to buyers (warning- rant!)

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This is actually about sheep but I'm sure some of it will apply equally to horse buyers.

I breed pedigree sheep. Some I keep back, some are sold to other breeders, some go to a tiny family run Welsh abbatoir for meat boxes. Some also go as pets/lawnmowers/holiday lets as they're an attractive breed.

Until recently selling was dead easy and I couldn't actually keep up with demand, so I haven't even done any meat boxes for 2 years. I have 2 ewe lambs still advertised at the moment because for some unknown reason the timewaster factor has exploded. Someone local wanted them. I declined the deposit as they were nearby (stupidly) and arranged a day and time to deliver. Moved the relevant lambs onto convenient grazing for loading. Messaged a couple of days before to get the address...ghosted.

Next buyer was further afield. Wanted to view, arranged a date. They then messaged asking if I could deliver. I explained it was a 3 hour round trip but I would do it for the cost of the diesel as a favour. Again...ghosted.

This week someone called, again further afield. Said they would come and view. Then asked if I would deliver. I explained it would be a 250 mile round trip, and take pretty much a whole day, but I could fit them in the back of the pickup to save diesel. Offered to do it for the cost of diesel (£100) and a couple of quid extra for my time. A haulier would have charged double or triple. She then texts back with a stupid offer saying "if you do it for 300 it's a deal."

I mean, wtf?? I am doing you a MASSIVE favour lady, and you have the nerve to take the absolute p***. That doesn't even cover the fuel plus the two toll bridge fees! I don't know if it's ignorance or entitlement or both, but if you are buying from a decent breeder please know this:

I do it for the love of the breed, yes. But I have costs. In a good year we cover feed, meds, vaccs and hay - for the horses too if it's a really good year 😂. But farming is bloody hard work and so many things can turn a good year into a crap one. Last year's drought was a disaster. I'm not sure we have enough hay to last until spring. I lost 3 lambs early on when normally I lose nothing. The grass is still suffering even with the endless rain we are now having.

I have anemia and a recurring chest infection. I run the animals by myself. I have a demanding teaching job 3 days a week and a young family. This time of year is just endless hard work. The feed and supplement bills are eating into my salary something chronic.

And then this woman comes along and insults me by thinking I'll deliver 2 sheep 250 miles in my non existent spare time for basically nothing! Anyway, I've blocked her rather then get involved in haggling. But if you fancy some pets or lawnmowers, please don't offend the person who raised them with blood, sweat and tears (literally) by wasting their time, or making silly offers. If you want them on the cheap do a bit of research and raise a couple of spare lambs on the bottle. Whatever. Just don't take the p***.

End of sermon....
 
Seems to be par for the course these days. Maximum desire for minimum effort. So easy to click and say how much, yes please etc.
I find if only way to contact seller is via phone or email it removes a lot of the chancers.
 
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I totally get your frustration. Slightly different values but still a massive juggling act. We used to have rare breed chickens and turkeys. We sold the eggs for hatching and often had a waiting list (eggs need to be less than 10 days old for best incubation results) so as I collected eggs I'd head straight to the post office to post asap. One woman wanted 18 eggs, most people were happy to take 6 at a time, (we had 4 of this breed at the time) but wanted them as fresh as possible to take to Portugal with her (god knows) so I carefully saved the eggs in time for her trip leaving enough time to post and push her ahead of others on the list to fit in with her timings. The day I was due to send I text her to confirm details etc and ask for payment (£90 plus postage) and she said her plans had changed and she no longer wanted them. I lost other sales as people went else where as I couldn't give them the time lines they wanted and everything just went to pot. Her circa £100 actually cost us about £450 in total lost sales. Just totally leaves a bad taste in your mouth and makes you question why you bother.

From a buyer perspective we bought a sheep/lamb from the local county show a couple of years back. Saw the sign on his pen, spoke to the owner, asked the price and shook hands. We didn't haggle on the price all we asked was that they shear him before we collected (defra rules state he has to go home for 10 days after being on a showground) as he's a valley black nose and requires shearing spring and autumn. They were happy for that to happen and so the deal was done. We collected him a few weeks later with a new hair cut. They check in on him 3 or 4 times a year - their friend has written a children's book about him too.
 
This is actually about sheep but I'm sure some of it will apply equally to horse buyers.

I breed pedigree sheep. Some I keep back, some are sold to other breeders, some go to a tiny family run Welsh abbatoir for meat boxes. Some also go as pets/lawnmowers/holiday lets as they're an attractive breed.

Until recently selling was dead easy and I couldn't actually keep up with demand, so I haven't even done any meat boxes for 2 years. I have 2 ewe lambs still advertised at the moment because for some unknown reason the timewaster factor has exploded. Someone local wanted them. I declined the deposit as they were nearby (stupidly) and arranged a day and time to deliver. Moved the relevant lambs onto convenient grazing for loading. Messaged a couple of days before to get the address...ghosted.

Next buyer was further afield. Wanted to view, arranged a date. They then messaged asking if I could deliver. I explained it was a 3 hour round trip but I would do it for the cost of the diesel as a favour. Again...ghosted.

This week someone called, again further afield. Said they would come and view. Then asked if I would deliver. I explained it would be a 250 mile round trip, and take pretty much a whole day, but I could fit them in the back of the pickup to save diesel. Offered to do it for the cost of diesel (£100) and a couple of quid extra for my time. A haulier would have charged double or triple. She then texts back with a stupid offer saying "if you do it for 300 it's a deal."

I mean, wtf?? I am doing you a MASSIVE favour lady, and you have the nerve to take the absolute p***. That doesn't even cover the fuel plus the two toll bridge fees! I don't know if it's ignorance or entitlement or both, but if you are buying from a decent breeder please know this:

I do it for the love of the breed, yes. But I have costs. In a good year we cover feed, meds, vaccs and hay - for the horses too if it's a really good year 😂. But farming is bloody hard work and so many things can turn a good year into a crap one. Last year's drought was a disaster. I'm not sure we have enough hay to last until spring. I lost 3 lambs early on when normally I lose nothing. The grass is still suffering even with the endless rain we are now having.
Wow
I have anemia and a recurring chest infection. I run the animals by myself. I have a demanding teaching job 3 days a week and a young family. This time of year is just endless hard work. The feed and supplement bills are eating into my salary something chronic.

And then this woman comes along and insults me by thinking I'll deliver 2 sheep 250 miles in my non existent spare time for basically nothing! Anyway, I've blocked her rather then get involved in haggling. But if you fancy some pets or lawnmowers, please don't offend the person who raised them with blood, sweat and tears (literally) by wasting their time, or making silly offers. If you want them on the cheap do a bit of research and raise a couple of spare lambs on the bottle. Whatever. Just don't take the p***.

End of sermon....
Wow what a bloody cheek. I think it is the entitlement brigade they are out in force! Im sorry you have had so much time wasted its not right.
 
Ah rare breed turkeys and chickens - don't get me started! For years I sold hatching eggs on Fleabay. Always great feedback, repeat customers, and was able to buy great quality eggs myself to add to bloodlines. Then maybe 4 years ago or so, it seemed to be overrun by scammers and chancers. So I gave up, along with loads of other breeders. It's had a massive impact on rare breed survival as far as I can tell.
 
I feel your pain. I was selling a well bred ram that had done his two year stint with my flock. A buyer from Somerset wanted him, said several times that he definitely wanted him, he was going to collect him when coming up North for the breed agm. The day before when I contacted him for an eta I was told sorry he had bought another ram that was being brought down to Carlise from Scotland for him. I has lost six weeks before the stud season started and serious breeders had all purchased their rams.
 
Sheep buyers are the pits. When I was selling my flock last year, I had a lady get in touch, desperately wanting them. We agreed a price and a time and date for her to collect them. I had them in and ready to go and she never showed and didn't reply to my phone calls or text messages. Then about 2 weeks later, she got in touch with a story about how her daughter had unexpectedly gone into labour and she'd had to look after her grand-daughter but she still wanted them, so I gave her the benefit of the doubt and arranged another date and time to collect them and again, she didn't show. This time I blocked her and sold them at market instead.
 
I'm in the same position regarding the pedigree sheep... I have a ram to shift and will have lambs to go end of the summer, and the thought of all the time wasters is bringing me down already... At least the fat lambs and the cattle go to mart and are straightforward. Like you, I do the pedigrees for the love of the minority breed, they won't sell well in a market because of what they are, and I'm thinking of coming out of them due to the faff people create.
 
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