A possible break through thanks to the magic man and his rubber mallet!!!

Seriously.......... Surely all that matters is that OPs horse now seems much happier? The responsibility of who treats her horse is entirely up to her, not anyone else.

This forum is so b*tchy these days, you cant post anything without someone jumping down your throat. Constructive criticism is fine, but there is no excuse for rudeness.
 
I'm glad that you had a positive experience with Tex, I have Anton down here (I believe they worked together for a time?) And although highly suspicious my 4* trainer praised him for helping her horses, so I went with mine.
There was nothing much wrong with my girl which I kind of knew and hoped. But he did put his hands in her mouth and told me her teeth where kind of sharp on the left, luckily she is due the dentist, so we are getting that sorted this week.
I really cannot praise him high enough, it does seem though that the teeth and back are inextricably linked.
 
Calm down, it's not a personal dig, I was just making the point about working with someone not qualifying you to do their job! I wouldn't be able to/qualified to/legally allowed to do my lawyer colleague's job (and nor would I want to half the time!).
 
Surely you can see the otherside though

I know many knowledgable people who have had their horses treated by tex and swear by him.

I also know many less knowledgeable people who have had their horses treated by him and when they come back dont really have a clue what he has done or what any problem that was found was, it is the latter I have concern about.

Obviously we all have concern for our horses welfare including the OP but I dont think it is sufficient to say it is up to us what we do with and who treats our horses outside of the system as you are assuming that everyone has a suitable knowledge base to make these decisions from. On here (well CR at v least) they probably do, in the real world many do not.
 
Tempi - Thank you for what you said. I was beginning to wonder why I had said anything. This place has always been supportive and helpful and I thought some of the guys I have got to know my like to hear that despite all the **** that has happened over the last wee while that at last we might have turned a corner. I was not expecting to get such abuse and I think you summed it up perfectly.

As for the rest thank you for the kind words of the few and to the rest I am not saying that you should let anyone do anything to your horse but I had done my research and would not have put him at risk. There were long discussions about his issues and I made the decision which was the right one so you need to stop being so judgmental when you know so little about the situation and maybe consider other people before being so hard on this forum. Just because it is somewhat anonymus doesnt mean it should be a free for all for you to be unjustifiably harsh.

I hope this is the end of the matter.

xkx
 
casconway191 said:
I never said anything about unsterilised equipment!!
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No you didn't, but neither did you say anything about sterilised equipment or what kind of equipment was used at all, which is why I used 'if' - a conditional.

Had you used a vet or qualified dentist it would be assumed that their years of training, experience and professional support network would have led them to use sterilised equipment and advise you on tetanus or that their professional indemnity insurance would have covered you in case of negligence. Since you did not use anyone qualified or regulated, I think the risk of tetanus and infection is a reasonable thing to point out.

I am sorry if you only expect congratulatory replies, I don't think there is much to congratulate here.
 
I have used Tex in the past and wouldn't have a problem with useing him again, just wish I could get hold of him, I dont know if he comes down to Devon, if anyone knows perhaps they could give me the heads up.
 
casconway-but you never mentioned what he did cut it with?
to the person who said the horse doesn't care whether it was a sterile scalpel or not-it will if infection gets in!
How many people are happy to have their gums (a sensitive area!) cut without any pain relief?? As I'm assuming since OP hasn't answered that question that there was no pain relief and it was not a sterile cutting tool?
 
The only people that are stressing are people that weren't there, and aren;t involved in the horse. The OP to me sounds pretty clued up, and she is happy, so I really don't see why people are witch hunting.
 
casconway191 - I think you should be reassured by the high number of positive review of this person albeit mixed in with negative ones.

No one has a 100% happy client base - my saddle fitter, vet, dentist all receive mixed review but at the end of the day I am happy with them and so is my horse - and that's really all the matters! :)
 
KatB said:
The only people that are stressing are people that weren't there, and aren;t involved in the horse. The OP to me sounds pretty clued up, and she is happy, so I really don't see why people are witch hunting.
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im sorry if you feel its a witch hunt but people dont seem to be concerned that an illegal procedure was carried out without pain relief. i am very concerned by this.
Its either because the OP wasnt that clued up after all- so she let it happen without knowing the consequences (no great crime, just nothing to be happy about) or she turned a blind eye.

casconway191 - I think you should be reassured by the high number of positive review of this person albeit mixed in with negative ones.

No one has a 100% happy client base - my saddle fitter, vet, dentist all receive mixed review but at the end of the day I am happy with them and so is my horse - and that's really all the matters!
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given the choice most people would want pain relief to have their gums cut. But the horse cant make this choice. as owners we have to make choices for our horses and therefore if their welfare is at risk we have to make good choices.

of course professionals get mixed rreviews, you cant please everyone but how can using someone who is happy to carry out an illegal procedure be a positive thing? if i admitted to shoeing my horse or getting an unregistered person to shoe my horse there would be plenty of people complaining. Yet this guy has cut into a horses mouth (however tiny it is deemed) and that is seen as acceptable? A good professional person just would not do this! I am honestly amazed!

I posted recently about whether people would use a good trainer if they knew that they didnt look after their horses very well. The majority wouldnt. Yet people on this thread seem to accept someone treating their horse who isnt qualified, registered with a governing body (for support if something went wrong) and who carries out invasive procedures illegaly. :confused:
 
SusieT said:
casconway-but you never mentioned what he did cut it with?
to the person who said the horse doesn't care whether it was a sterile scalpel or not-it will if infection gets in!
How many people are happy to have their gums (a sensitive area!) cut without any pain relief?? As I'm assuming since OP hasn't answered that question that there was no pain relief and it was not a sterile cutting tool?
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At the end of the day it sounds from what the OP has said that an illegal invasive dental procedure has been carried out by an unqualified practitioner.
Two things spring to mind.
Firstly that if any infection or problems do develop subsequent to this your insurance won't cover you for any follow up veterinary/ dental treatment.
Secondly I would be very surprised indeed if one of the Vets or qualified EDTs who regularly post on here don't report Tex to theor governing bodies based on the content of the OP.
 
casconway191 said:
Tempi - Thank you for what you said. I was beginning to wonder why I had said anything. This place has always been supportive and helpful and I thought some of the guys I have got to know my like to hear that despite all the **** that has happened over the last wee while that at last we might have turned a corner. I was not expecting to get such abuse and I think you summed it up perfectly.

As for the rest thank you for the kind words of the few and to the rest I am not saying that you should let anyone do anything to your horse but I had done my research and would not have put him at risk. There were long discussions about his issues and I made the decision which was the right one so you need to stop being so judgmental when you know so little about the situation and maybe consider other people before being so hard on this forum. Just because it is somewhat anonymus doesnt mean it should be a free for all for you to be unjustifiably harsh.

I hope this is the end of the matter.

xkx
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I dont think anyone has posted abuse :confused:
I dont think anyone is being unjustifiably harsh either really :confused: nor do I see it as a witch hunt. Or perhaps I just read the forum differently to everyone else? There are as many posts here in support of TG here as against. But OP you have posted that someone has carried out an illegal procedure on your horse, I don't see how you wouldnt expect that to be commented on, in fact I would be worried if noone commented on it.
 
KatB-so sorry, didn't realise you were happy for someone to cut into your mouth without pain relief? Unlike horses have thicker skin etc. responses, the gums are to my mind v. similar to ours. I am not a fluffy bunny by any means, and I do object to you calling it a witch hunt-because I'm going off what are very much my opinions that any tom dick or harry cannot go round performing invasive procedures (and that's not even mentioning the vast amount of crooked chiro/back people etc. who can be doing far more harm than good a lot of the time! That's another debate altogether)
 
For those of you who said that EDT's can't remove wolf teeth, the link posted by teddyt says that the removal of loose deciduous caps is a category 1 procedure and can be performed by suitably trained/qualified EDTs. Unless I am bamboozled by those long words.....
Tex sounds like s great horseman, I too use a "magic man", although he doesn't have a rubber mallett!
And unless the gum was restitched I am puzzled by the concerns of sterile equipment, after all, my fields and stables are certainly not sterile.
 
mainpower said:
For those of you who said that EDT's can't remove wolf teeth, the link posted by teddyt says that the removal of loose deciduous caps is a category 1 procedure and can be performed by suitably trained/qualified EDTs. Unless I am bamboozled by those long words.....
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I don't generally get involved with these things and will not be commenting on any of the legal issues in general. But just to clear up the tooth thing....

Wolf teeth and caps are totally different things. Wolf teeth are the small teeth that are usually just in front of the first upper (and occasionally lower) molars. Some horses have them, some horses have them under the gums, some horses don't appear to have them at all. Their roots can vary from a few millimetres to nearly an inch long and unless you take radiographs first (which isn't usually practical or justified) you don't know what you will find under the surface until you start extracting which is why this procedure is protected by law, although I know that plenty of unqualified people illegally remove wolf teeth. This is a category 2 procedure (BEVA/BAEDT qualified dentists and vets only)

Caps are the horse's deciduous (baby) molars. The adult molar grows up underneath them and is supposed to push them off (like a child with a wobbly baby tooth which eventually falls out). These can often be remoived by finger pressure which is why them can legally be removed by qualified EDTs. This is a category 1 procedure (can be carried out by lay people).

Two totally different sets of teeth and procedures!
 
mainpower said:
I stand corrected!! But a baby tooth will surely have a root, where a wolf tooth won't?
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Wolf teeth can have roots up to an inch long, baby teeth have been pretty much already pushed out by the adult tooth growing in beneath them, have very short roots and are usually wobbly enough to pull out with finger pressure. Think of when your own baby teeth wobbled out when you were a kid!

Wasn't meaning to lecture, just clear up the differences :)
 
Baby teeth don't have roots - well tiny ones. When the horse is about 4 the baby teeth fall out - they do look like a cap of tooth sat on top oof the adult tooth. They are similar in structure to our baby teeth - not much too them.

Tex is a farrier I think as well -so he could do your horses feet:p

Tex is marmite - you either love him or hate him - no in between
 
mainpower said:
And unless the gum was restitched I am puzzled by the concerns of sterile equipment, after all, my fields and stables are certainly not sterile.
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erm cos I would hope that your fields and stables are not regularly able to introduce things into your horses blood stream by damaging the skin, the primary defence against infection. Although of course accidents do happen, stitching is irrelevant to this and i think contraindicated in the mouth anyway and would defeat the object of supposedly allowing theses teeth to erupt.

and yes DD I think thats the case!
 
I'm sorry but you let an unqualified person cut your horse's gums and 'pop' teeth out? Oh and whack it with a mallet too? And you think this is ok? Well I'm glad you think your horse is happier now but personally I wouldn't put mine through that kind of risk. Good job nothing went wrong cos I can almost bet if your insurance company wouldn't pay out if they knew all of that. I'm not being bitchy just trying to get my head round using unqualified quacks.
 
Tempi said:
Seriously.......... Surely all that matters is that OPs horse now seems much happier? The responsibility of who treats her horse is entirely up to her, not anyone else.

This forum is so b*tchy these days, you cant post anything without someone jumping down your throat. Constructive criticism is fine, but there is no excuse for rudeness.
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Dont normally comment on these types of threads, but i completely agreed with you!!! Makes me so mad!
 
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