A question about giving notice at a yard.

I would say go when you've said you would get your stuff that your not using out smile n go about doing her in your usual manner then go.
She cannot stop you!
Yes horse world is small but would the yard rather a good word said about it or not the roles are reversed by YO's about liveries
Good luck Hun hope all goes well and she settles back down x
 
Why do people think there isn't a contract in place?!

Of course there's a contract - two parties, both giving consideration (one the stable/field and the other money), and an intent to make a contract. I'm guessing that the livery wants to know their horse has a place there for the duration?

Just because it isn't written down does not mean there isn't a contract :rolleyes:

As others have said, if one pays monthly then, if there is nothing stating otherwise, your notice period (on both sides) is one month.

Pay up the month's notice. Leave whenever you want within that month.
 
LaurenBay said:
AhhhI completly got the wrong end of the stick here! Opps. I can infact leave whenever. Sorry its been a very very long week (and we are only on day 2) aslong as I pay the £50.
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You can always leave at any point in a notice period - it's just the money that's enforced, not having to stay put.

From the YOs point of view, paying but leaving early is best of all - they save on associated costs (lighting, bedding, anything else included) and they can let the box to someone else secure in the knowledge you've actually gone ... it's not unheard of for people to say they're going and then ... not :p
 
I had the opposite problem. I offered the yo a month's notice (I pay monthly) but she said that wasn't good enough and I had to leave asap now that she knew I was looking for a new yard! I've paid up until the end of the month and she has told me that someone is moving into my stable on the 1st.
 
comet! said:
I had the opposite problem. I offered the yo a month's notice (I pay monthly) but she said that wasn't good enough and I had to leave asap now that she knew I was looking for a new yard! I've paid up until the end of the month and she has told me that someone is moving into my stable on the 1st.
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Thats really naughty of her. If you wanted, you could get a solicitor to write a letter telling her your verbal contract is for a month's notice on either side.

Although I don't quite understand - if you've paid to the end of the month (and you pay a month ahead) then surely your stable would be free on the 1st anyway?
 
As long as you are paying up until the end of the month then I see no problem with it. I have been at yards with one month contracts and have still only given a weeks notice and paid until end of month and the yards haven't been bothered!
 
Honey08 said:
Thats really naughty of her. If you wanted, you could get a solicitor to write a letter telling her your verbal contract is for a month's notice on either side.

Although I don't quite understand - if you've paid to the end of the month (and you pay a month ahead) then surely your stable would be free on the 1st anyway?
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It was mid-way through the month when she said she wanted it asap but I wanted to give one month's notice as I thought that I had an implied monthly contract.
 
As long as you are paying up until the end of the month then I see no problem with it. I have been at yards with one month contracts and have still only given a weeks notice and paid until the end of the month and the yards haven't been bothered!
 
Think the best way would be to pay the £50 and leave when you want? We can be at the mercy of YO but would you be happy if you had 2 weeks to find a new yard? (assuming you were happy that is), For the sake of £50 you can leave head held high?
 
The fact you have no contract and have paid to the end of the month I would go this weekend as planned particularly, if your horse is really unhappy.

You have given two weeks notice so that should be enough although YO may think if you pay monthly you should give a month's notice?

I have no contract and pay weekly so presume that means YO would expect at least a week's notice?
 
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LaurenBay said:
So I gave my YO notice. We do not have any contract in place. We pay monthly. I have already paid up until the end of the month. I am moving because my Horse is quite unhappy there. My YO wants a months notice (so 15th Feb) she then wants an extra £50 (for the first 2 weeks)

I am not asking for this months rent back. I just want out (new yard can take me at the weekend, its her old yard and I can't wait to get her back there so she can chill) however I do not think I should pay the extra £50 considering we don't even have a contract. I also do not want to stay for another month. I can not turn out as shes so distressed. She has now broken out her field twice and last time ran into another field and got kicked.

What would you do?

Just to add, another livery left and she did not give a months notice.
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But you DO have a contract if only a verbal one (which is as legally binding as a written one). YO lets you keep your horse on her yard in return for you paying a certain amount of money per month. That is a contract.

You pay monthly so the rule is that one month's notice is required or one month's rent in lieu of notice. If you've given a month's notice you do not have to stay on the yard but you ARE legally obliged to pay for the month until your notice is up. The YO is quite reasonable to expect you to honour this. If you leave early she will be losing income until she can fill your place and it is neither fair nor honourable to welch on the contract.

What another livery client did or didn't do has no relevance to what you should do.
 
Tiffany said:
The fact you have no contract and have paid to the end of the month I would go this weekend as planned particularly, if your horse is really unhappy.

You have given two weeks notice so that should be enough although YO may think if you pay monthly you should give a month's notice?

I have no contract and pay weekly so presume that means YO would expect at least a week's notice?
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As I have pointed out, a contract exists. Too many people enter into legally binding contracts without giving a second thought to what they are doing. It is extremely foolish.

If you agree, whether verbally or in writing, to Y in return for a second party agreeing to X - that constitutes a contract and you would be wise to understand that you can be held to it in law.
 
Tiffany said:
The fact you have no contract and have paid to the end of the month I would go this weekend as planned particularly, if your horse is really unhappy.

You have given two weeks notice so that should be enough although YO may think if you pay monthly you should give a month's notice?

I have no contract and pay weekly so presume that means YO would expect at least a week's notice?
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OP does have a contract, and so do you Tiffany.

Two weeks notice for the OP is not enough - it has to be a month.
 
ive been in that position... two years ago. i paid the notice and left the next day. Two years down the line I can hold my head up and no one caould say i owed anyone anything. what i lost in money i gained in self respect, i loved doing the flit..got up at six and left everything spotless, although he did make a huge fuss about the upside down horseshoe i accidently left on my tack locker.:)
 
I will be paying the £50 the day I go. I don't think I will be going back there again (certainly not with this Horse) but you never know.
 
Both sides are expected to give reasonable notice and without a contract for legal purposes how often the rent is paid is taken as the notice period.

The problem about everyone saying don't pay and just go (and they are right that nothing will happen as no one is going to chase through the courts for £50,) is that everyone gets affected and gets a bad reputation. I heard recently of somewhere wanting 2 months deposit because of people doing this.

When I left my last yard I gave a months notice (I did have a contract but I would have done anyway). Like you I gave notice in the middle of the month Nov but planned to actually move at the start of the Dec and I asked them to take the Dec livery owed out of my deposit which they were happy to do.

When I worked out my exact moving dates, I told the Yard Manager so if they had someone waiting they could move in earlier. When the final bill was tallied up and extras and deposits calculated, I noticed they actually had only billed me to the day I left as they had someone ready to move in but was still a kind gesture on their part.

Doing the right thing paid off for me, if I'd argued and said I didn't want to pay those last days, I bet they would have insisted on taking their due.
 
LB I have got my head round the 'extra' £50 now and I think you should pay it, yes you should give a months notice. sorry!
 
There was a post on here not long ago about the subject of notice periods. Seemed the general consensus of opinion was that when there's no written contract in place, whatever interval period you pay your livery (ie: per week, per month, etc.) is the appropriate notice period to give. Sure, it may not be easily enforcable but it's simply good manners. Think of it the other way: how would you feel if a YO gave you minimal notice to leave out of the blue? You'd expect a month's notice to get yourself sorted and find an alternative yard to move to. Seems only fair it should work the other way around if you're paying monthly.
 
I had this issue, but was just moving to a yard cheaper and nearer to my home. Gave my months notice then through the last few weeks alsorts went missing, including 2 newish rugs a whole bin of feed and grooming / first aid products. I would move as much as you can and leave essentials there or even essentials in your car till you are ready to leave.

I was on what I thought a really chilled yard so didn't expect issues :(
 
baby_dudley said:
I had this issue, but was just moving to a yard cheaper and nearer to my home. Gave my months notice then through the last few weeks alsorts went missing, including 2 newish rugs a whole bin of feed and grooming / first aid products. I would move as much as you can and leave essentials there or even essentials in your car till you are ready to leave.

I was on what I thought a really chilled yard so didn't expect issues :(
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Sorry to hear you went through that. Luckily I have all my stuff (part from hay) locked up in a private tackroom. I am the only one with a key. I don't leave rugs in the stable either. The only rugs left out, are those she is wearing.
 
baby_dudley said:
I had this issue, but was just moving to a yard cheaper and nearer to my home. Gave my months notice then through the last few weeks alsorts went missing, including 2 newish rugs a whole bin of feed and grooming / first aid products. I would move as much as you can and leave essentials there or even essentials in your car till you are ready to leave.

I was on what I thought a really chilled yard so didn't expect issues :(
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This is the kind of thing that concerns me in regards to giving notice, and you can't be there 24/7 to keep an eye. On one yard, years ago, I found my pony tied to a fence via his fly rug (someone had unclipped the leg straps, looped both of them through the fencing, then done them back up). Needless to say I had a lorry collect him as soon as they could.

I guess it depends on how reputable the yard is. Where I am at the moment requires a month's notice. My last yard had no contract, and I gave a week.
 
If you pay monthly contract or not (we never had them years ago) then you should give and pay a months notice. If you want to leave before the notice period than do it and forfeit the remaining weeks
 
As a yard owner it annoys me when people give me hardly any notice but as I don't have contracts I can't do anything if people want to leave.......its just more mannerly I think if I have a months notice. I could never ask someone to go and expect them to move their horse the next day but I have had liveries do this to me. Like I said though there is nothing your yard owner can do and if its that bad I would move the horse.
 
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