MotherOfChickens
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so contact Gillies or any other pro transporter?
A reasonable time frame to keep a horse for a buyer?
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so contact Gillies or any other pro transporter?
WelshD
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for me it would depend on a few things that would need to be established upon an decision to buy.
firstly whether it was agreed at time of sale, whether the seller is on own land or livery and if livery when that was paid up till, the personal circumstances of the seller - some desperately need the money, others are poorly and cant cope with the day to day stuff, whether room is needed for a new equine plus most importantly whether I indicated how quickly I could get the horse collected
I would agree this before shaking hands, I wouldnt expect a seller to wait longer than a week and wouldn't change the goalposts if I had agreed anything other than 10 days
firstly whether it was agreed at time of sale, whether the seller is on own land or livery and if livery when that was paid up till, the personal circumstances of the seller - some desperately need the money, others are poorly and cant cope with the day to day stuff, whether room is needed for a new equine plus most importantly whether I indicated how quickly I could get the horse collected
I would agree this before shaking hands, I wouldnt expect a seller to wait longer than a week and wouldn't change the goalposts if I had agreed anything other than 10 days
The wife
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I absolutely adore how the assumption has been made that 'I can't be bothered' to fetch him. Yes we so have a 7.5t, however, I don't have my licence which means waiting for the husband to be free to transport the horse. The seller knew there may be a small delay on fetching him as my sister (who has her licence) is on holiday. I cannot believe I am being made out to be a buyer that is being awkward about wanting to collect a horse that I have stated I really want home. The situation is that I work in excess of 50 hours a week as well as caring for my disabled father, my husband is a college lecturer who works 8-6, there is a child who would need to be looked after, 4 horses to be cared for and a dog. If sister was not on holiday this is manageable as husband could do all of the above but it's not the case. Quite far removed from a can't be bothered perspective.
I would also just like to point out that seller did ask for livery. I said i would happily pay it but not the amount she was asking. This is a private seller who wanted almost the same amount as I am paying for a competing livery for one of my horses. My reasons, this is a you g horse turned out in a paddock, not in any work and not receiving any hard feed or work. It is her own land as she happily told me when I first said about the small delay so 'that's fine as he isn't costing me much to keep as it's my own farm'. I would have happily paid a reasonable amount, even up to £50 a week but the amount stated was alot more than this. Her perogative you may say, of course it is but I was not happy with this at all. If horse was a horse in work, stabled and being fed I would understand. He is not and I felt at this point it was a number she came up with to push the sale through quicker - see below regarding being corners into agreeing to her bringing him up.
It is only now that next weekend has been mentioned that seller wanted things moving quicker. Perhaps a lack of communication between a 'small delay' and 3 days (to collect him this weekend assuming) are 2 different things.
As for money as it has been pointed out, seller was happy with cash on collection or delivery as the case is now, she said she prefers cash. I am also paying her quite generously to bring him up for me, much more than a transporter would because I felt backed into a corner and didn't want to a)lose the horse or b)lose my deposit.
The presuptions are rather unfair that some of you had made and are actually away from the original question. Perhaps I should have clarified a few things earlier or explained my situation better before getting jumped upon, perhaps I should have clarified to the seller what a 'small delay' is but I do feel rather unfairly judged right now by some who feel it is a case of laziness and can't be bothered to fetch a horse that I spent alot of time looking for, a decent amount of money on and who I WAS feeling somewhat excited to be getting.
As some was has pointed out I am trying my best. I will admit I have not tried every horse transporter under the sun, this would have been my next port of call but seller offered to bring him and so didn't feel it necessary to say no.
At the end of the day the seller was originally happy with a 'small delay' in collecting the animal, I have made a quick decision on the horse and saved her hassle of dealing with people who want to see it loading, walking down the road, caught etc. Apart from the delivery seller seems very happy about the arrangement and said the yard looked and sounded perfect for him, I sent her pictures, facebook links etc to or other horses to ensure it was a nice home and she even commented on this point. What else could i have done?
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Spilletta
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OP, I read this thread last night but didn't have anything useful to add so didn't post. But I thought the "can't be bothered" bit was a bit odd - sounds like you are completely "bothered" in trying to sort things out and asking for opinions/ suggestions for transporters, etc.
Anyway, hope all goes well and you really enjoy new horse when he arrives
Anyway, hope all goes well and you really enjoy new horse when he arrives
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ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
This is the problem though. There is no adequate insurance available. If the horse cuts itself, for example, causing an injury which is going to result in months of treatment and a very nasty scar and loss of value but no loss of use, then the whole situation turns to a nightmare. Who owns the horse? Can the sale be made to go ahead?
This is why buyers asking sellers to hold horses for them which are not paid for is such a nightmare!
I understand that these accidents can happen anyway, but if you have 'consciously uncoupled' from the horse in order to sell it, it makes the situation very difficult.
OP you have been caught in a situation where the seller wants cash (and it's not difficult to guess why, perhaps) and this has left you unable to pay for the horse. It's the seller's problem, so I see no issue with them having to deliver it. I hope you love the horse when you see it.
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xspiralx
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OP - if the horse injured itself before it is delivered to you, would you still be prepared to pay in full?
FlyingCircus
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In one post you say a small delay is 3 days...in the original post you say you requested 10 days. 10 days certainly isn't a "small delay" in my eyes. I'd wonder what the buyer was doing in those 10 days if they weren't going on a holiday or similar.
The wife
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I was using it as a matter of speech and admitted perhaps I should have clarified it. To me an acceptable time frame to collect a horse is anywhere between immediately or up to a fortnight. Bearing in mind that from first viewing to actual getting horse home can take up to 3 weeks if vettings are involved and 2nd/3rd viewings - which are not uncommon. As above post seller knew sister was on holiday and knew the situation. I still stand by that I don't think 10 days is unreasonable time frame to collect a horse.
No I would not as it could have damaged itself in that same field whether I had put a deposit down on it or not. If it injured itself while in transit then yes of course as it would not have been in that situation if it were not for being brought to me. And that is the honest truth.
FlyingCircus
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I had my gelding seen twice (once by friend, once by me as he was 100 + miles away). Within the week I'd booked transport and had vetting done. All whilst I worked 8-6 with over an hours commute each way...
What I'm saying is, if you WANTED to get him home sooner, you easily could have.
If I was the seller, I'd want a full payment off you asap + livery costs, or I'd want to deliver/you pick up asap. If the horse hurts itself in the field, you said you won't pay for it any more and the seller doesn't want that to happen either, hence why she/he wants the horse with you or paid in full ASAP.
ETA: I don't think 10 days is unreasonable if you pay for the horse in full and start to pay livery fee for anything over a week.
What I'm saying is, if you WANTED to get him home sooner, you easily could have.
If I was the seller, I'd want a full payment off you asap + livery costs, or I'd want to deliver/you pick up asap. If the horse hurts itself in the field, you said you won't pay for it any more and the seller doesn't want that to happen either, hence why she/he wants the horse with you or paid in full ASAP.
ETA: I don't think 10 days is unreasonable if you pay for the horse in full and start to pay livery fee for anything over a week.
be positive
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The OP has given good reasons for the slight delay, 10 days in not long and as a regular seller I have waited that long and longer without full payment and without charging livery, 2 weeks from first viewing is not uncommon as most people want to collect at weekends, there may be a slight risk of injury but it would be there whether it was sold or not you either take that risk or you keep it insured until collected/ delivered much the same as you would with anything you may be selling.
FlyingCircus
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But it seems as though the seller is unhappy with the delay. So surely that's all that matters? Rather than what you and I think.
There's really no reason she couldn't have tried more transport companies to get him home sooner, but that's besides the point.
zoelouisem
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My pony had her vetting 2 weeks ago Friday and is still here but it's due to sorting transits she's going to Sweden. I did insist on full payment though into my bank!!
popsdosh
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I think you may have a nasty shock if it had got injured as under UK law once the deal is done you are responsible for the goods ie the horse . How would you feel if you had agreed to buy the horse and somebody came along in the meantime and offered more money . That is why until I get paid in full the horse stays on the market im afraid its a fact of life people mess you around. Its not being difficult to deal with just practical and straight with buyers . I will keep a horse within reason however long fits in with the buyer however its on my terms re payment.
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xspiralx
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And this is where it gets messy.
You have agreed to buy the horse, and presumably would not now expect the seller to allow others to view or make an offer on the horse, yet you're not prepared to shoulder the responsibilities of ownership if something did go wrong. That puts the seller in a very difficult and in my view, unfair position. Fair enough to have to delay collection for a bit, but not to do so without paying for the animal.