A small moan! Why don't people know basic horse colours????!!!

[Meowy Catkin]

Apologies for the moan but I have been browsing the horse ads looking for a nice cob and again and again people have the colour of their horse wrong!

Grrrrr!!!!!!!

A chestnut with flaxen mane and tail is not the same as a palomino. Haflingers cannot ever be palomino as they don't have the cream gene.

Bay roan and strawberry roan are not the same.

Bay horses always have black points (they are black horses with the agouti gene that causes their body colour to lighten) so if you say your horse is bay you don't need to add that it has a black mane and tail!

When people don't know what colour the horse is it doesn't give a good impression for the rest of the ad.

*ends rant*

 

[Onyxia]

Want some vallium?
Maybe they are novice and not too good at it,maybe they are simply stating what is on the passport(know a fair few flaxen chestnuts put down as paly )?

 

[Meowy Catkin]

I hate looking for horses anyway, so yes, I am a bit tense!

I'm trying to think calm thoughts. ;-)

 

[tangoharvey]

my mare gets called all sorts of colours, cant say it bothers me really....chill!

 

[joeanne]

Yup, I have seen a few haffies go through the ring and listed as palomino....
But then I have seen horses I would call dun, only be told no, its a buckskin!

 

[V1NN]

Heehee yes i have noticed this alot lately to. Especially with duns being called palomino or vice versa and also like you say roans are often described wrongly to. Never mind

 

[Meowy Catkin]

It probably wouldn't bother me so much if I enjoyed looking for new horses.

 

[no-one]

to be fair unless you are hot on colour genetics not everyone is going to know what the difference, i wouldn't be able to tell you the different between roans or whether a horse holds a certain gene. and is it going to change the horses temperament or ability is it was bay or green with pink spots?

 

[Enfys]

Thank Goodness for photo ads then

I mean, a bay is a bay, either bright or dark - isn't it?
That's good enough for me for a start, I have eyes, I can see what it is, and like someone said, who cares, as long as all the parts are functioning, in the right order and it does the job? Unless you want a specific colour of course.

Try being in North America not only are horses described in ways that didn't exist when I was a kid in Britain (smokey black/cream, silver dapple, silver bay, dunskin, dunalino, brun, amber champagne, all with, or without chrome!... and that's before you get to the technicalities of patterning) but I haven't yet seen a horse that is the height described, and I have bought dozens, I am convinced that a North American hand is smaller!

 

[emma69]

I haven't a clue about North America colours. "Kinda brown" normally suffices for me! It used to be I was pretty confident about telling you what colour a horse was, but now, not a chance. I will stick with 'Kinda brown' for everything but greys! Yup, the heights seem oddly different as well. And have you found that age seems relative to how stupid they think you might be

The thing I throw my hands up over tho is the obsession with breeding. It is a fricking cart horse / first pony / happy hacker, do I care? Really?

 

[Meowy Catkin]

I don't really mind what colour, I just have a hard time trusting what people write in horse ads anyway. I've seen so many horses that are not as described once you meet them in person. It sets the tone of the ad so getting the basic details wrong doesn't inspire me with confidence that everything else is correct.

Enfys, I have also gone to view horses that were wildly different in height from their advertised height. It just wastes everyone's time, if I'm after a 15.1hh I don't want a 14.1hh or 16.1hh thank you!!!

You'd think that passports would help with the basic details of height, colour, gender and age etc...



Maybe the old TB would like to be brought back into work.... maybe she'll have stopped rearing under saddle now.... ok, pigs might fly!

I'm off to meditate now....

 

[baymareb]

Try being in North America not only are horses described in ways that didn't exist when I was a kid in Britain (smokey black/cream, silver dapple, silver bay, dunskin, dunalino, brun, amber champagne, all with, or without chrome!... and that's before you get to the technicalities of patterning) but I haven't yet seen a horse that is the height described, and I have bought dozens, I am convinced that a North American hand is smaller!

I am so with you here. And I think a lot of times people call their horse some fancy color just to make it sound more desirable. So a plain chestnut gets called a golden palomino or a plain brown horse becomes some crazy exotic thing no one has ever heard of.

My horse is bay. I like bay. Bay works fine for me.

 

[blitznbobs]

Well is my pony who is bay roan with 4 white socks technically a strawberry roan with black mane and tail then? cos technically it can only be bay if he's got black points...

????

Blitz

 

[joeanne]

A bay is a bay. White socks or not! If the socks were not there it WOULD have black legs, so its a bay.
A strawberry roan would NOT have black legs, as it is a (I think...) chestnut base coat

 

[Enfys]

Well is my pony who is bay roan with 4 white socks technically a strawberry roan with black mane and tail then? cos technically it can only be bay if he's got black points...

????

Blitz

If his body/facial hair is brown as opposed to chestnut, and his mane and tail (and knees/hocks?) are black then he is a bay roan.

 

[JoJo_]

The only colour thing that bothers me is when people claim their horse is black but when I see him/her the horse is actually dark bay. An actual black coloured horse is rather rare.

 

[EAST KENT]

Well..OK is`nt a chesnut with a flaxen mane and tail called Sorrel in the US?? Saw an ad recently for a gorgeous mare ,"overo sabino" by description..she was VERY pretty Anyway mine are "yellow dun"..or Buckskin in US language,and my irish mare is Black in the winter,but very dark brown in summertime..BUT I always was told a Brown had to have a browney muzzle..and blacks don`t..so ,yes,BLACK!!

 

[loopylucifer]

well some of the best wrong colours I heard recently was two girls revising for stage one they were adiment that these two horses were chestnut but the had black mane and tails now one has a large spalsh coming up form a white leg to hip area and a small spalsh on belly so even if they had said coloured or even roan as not quite roan but a lot closer to that than chestnut (passports say bay btw). they also said one horse who has a few white hairs in middle of mane and a few white flecks on one side tri coloured, which ok is close but this horse is bay. did make me smile though!!

 

[Enfys]

Well..OK is`nt a chesnut with a flaxen mane and tail called Sorrel in the US?? Saw an ad recently for a gorgeous mare ,"overo sabino" by description..she was VERY pretty Anyway mine are "yellow dun"..or Buckskin in US language,and my irish mare is Black in the winter,but very dark brown in summertime..BUT I always was told a Brown had to have a browney muzzle..and blacks don`t..so ,yes,BLACK!!

A sorrel is a bog standard chestnut, different term, same flavour
Chestnut/sorrel with flaxen mane and tail is just that.

This is a sabino (frame too if you are being picky) overo, the sabino is because of the white patterning, nothing to do with colour.

The colt is a sabino minimal overo, that's what the APHA classify him as.

To confuse matters, as far as the AQHA is concerned this is a palomino, but because of her dorsal stripe and reddish legs she is possibly a dunalino

This is a (very mucky) buckskin, she doesn't have barring or a dorsal stripe.

Dun and buckskin are different depending on dorsal stripes and barring.
I was always under the impression that blacks have black muzzles, if they don't then they are dark brown/bay. No idea of the genetic side of thing though. I always stand to be corrected.

 

[Echo Bravo]

Try liver chestnuts, now theres a pain

 

[wilsha]

calm down we should get some calming supplement for you (jokes) dont worry if you can see what colour it is thats what colour it i dont wory what other people say its fine

 

[wellsat]

What colour would you say Lil is then? I can tell you what her passport says, what most people refer to her as or what I'd say she is if you look really closely. All three would be different so which would you advertise her as?

 

[dozzie]

I have an orange one and a beige one! I am also amazed how no-one understands about colour!

 

[Ravenwood]

LOL - not particularly relevant to the thread but always makes me chuckle when I think about it....

I have a very bright orange chestnut (technical term that!) mare, who was once, years ago, loaned out to a very elderly gentleman who hated her and she put him in hospital

Not long ago we were at a meet and this elderly man came up to me and asked if that was "Lottie"? I said yes (knowing who he was) and he said.................



"hmm, was she always chestnut?"

LMAO - I replied - "yes, I think so, I don't remember her being grey when she came"

Sorry - I'll get my coat!

 

[Cinnamontoast]

Mine's poo coloured!

Piebald (tobiano with the splash gene and sabino thrown in if you want to get technical!)

 

[jack9]

not everyone knows the difference between the roans - i dont! and i dont actually care tbh.....

i managed to one day after flipping years of being around horses point at a chestnut horse n say to my friend "that bay is lovely"...... errm idiot

(think that was more of a blonde moment though..... )

 

[dozzie]

Mine's poo coloured!

Piebald (tobiano with the splash gene and sabino thrown in if you want to get technical!)

I think you should see a doctor if your poo is that colour!

 

[Enfys]

I have an orange one and a beige one! I am also amazed how no-one understands about colour!

Orange and beige are good

I have one orange, three beiges, two 'kinda brown' and a black and white thing then Suits me. I don't care what the 'proper' name is, when some escaped last year I described one as being 'purple' because that's what his rug was!

Ravenwood, LOL.

 

[natalia]

A good horse is never a bad colour.

 

[dozzie]

Orange and beige are good

I have one orange, three beiges, two 'kinda brown' and a black and white thing then Suits me. I don't care what the 'proper' name is, when some escaped last year I described one as being 'purple' because that's what his rug was!

Ravenwood, LOL.

Pretty sure I also have a rabicano! Goodness knows how! NF X TB! Is that possible? He is pink or purple in the winter! Depending on which rug he is wearing!