A sort of cage.outside dogs opinion

Can you summarise?

If it is dogs living outside, then I should have been prosecuted and banned from animal ownership a long time ago. And my mother before me, and my mother before her.
And most of the people I know and associate with.

My dogs live outside. They are from Germany. They have double coats. They get quite uncomfortable when the central heating kicks in.
They live in a run to stop them getting run over by cars or shot by sheep farmers, when we are out.

If not, excuse me, I am clearly an idiot :p
 
If it's the J.r.t then im not sure why the dog is not crated indoors:confused: with a nice blanket, I understand they need to control her pishing in the house, as she mentions, but she also says "she goes in every room and does her business" so then shut the doors or crate train her indoors where the neighbours cannot hear her bark as clearly the outside noise is setting her off and the pen/run/cage is plonked right in the middle of the lawn, they do mention she is only in when they are out and she does look in good condition, if she is used to being outdoors and is only making a noise when the garden is entered, then there really is no big deal, she does actually have plenty of room in there for her size, not sure if I saw a comfy bed for her though or anything to keep her occupied or if she has had any exercise before being placed in there (which the RSPCA maybe should have asked:rolleyes:)?
It just looks likes a mini kennel but obs the appearence of it being a rabbit cage is alarming people, if it had the appearance of a kennel and was the same size I don't think it would cause concern.
I think also if she was in a crate indoors and someone peered through the window, nothing would be said, as crates are for dogs and hutches are for rabbits and clearly thats what people associate:rolleyes: and like I mentioned if the rabbit pen resembled a kennel nothing would be said:rolleyes::D

I could be looking at the wrong clip mind you:o:D
 
Nope, you're looking at the right clip cayla. My thoughts are along the lines of if this is not ok for the dog, crates are not ok, so the RSPCA needs to make a decision on whether or not they consider crates ok. Otherwise they have hassled a woman for no good reason.
Of course, the consideration might be made, are crates ok, (I know the majority of AAD forum believe they are), when shown in a different form (as in this case- a rabbit hutch)
And they were happier with the dog (a perfectly healthy happy looking dog..) living inside than out. (All my dogs would live outside, some do and hate being in with the heating!).
Summary for CC-jack russel in approx maybe 2ft by 2ft? rabbit cage outside, RSPCA said not appropriate, and happier when dog was kept inside too.
 
SusieT said:
Summary for CC-jack russel in approx maybe 2ft by 2ft? rabbit cage outside, RSPCA said not appropriate,
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How long was it confined to the cage for? (Sorry, haven't got time to watch the clip.) I can understand there being concern if the JR was left in there most of the time, for example.

Whilst I agree with the use of crates, they must be used sensibly and dogs should not be left in them for excessive periods of time. Going back to my cot analogy - it is wrong to leave a baby in it's cot all day and all night, similarly wrong to leave a dog in a crate all day and night. That doesn't make cots and crates 'wrong' - just that they shouldn't be used excessively!
 
SusieT said:
Nope, you're looking at the right clip cayla. My thoughts are along the lines of if this is not ok for the dog, crates are not ok, so the RSPCA needs to make a decision on whether or not they consider crates ok. Otherwise they have hassled a woman for no good reason.
Of course, the consideration might be made, are crates ok, (I know the majority of AAD forum believe they are), when shown in a different form (as in this case- a rabbit hutch)
And they were happier with the dog (a perfectly healthy happy looking dog..) living inside than out. (All my dogs would live outside, some do and hate being in with the heating!).
Summary for CC-jack russel in approx maybe 2ft by 2ft? rabbit cage outside, RSPCA said not appropriate, and happier when dog was kept inside too.
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Would hazard a guess that the next daft campaign of the RSPCA is to ban crates..know for a fact they dislike them intensely.
 
SusieT said:
Nope, you're looking at the right clip cayla. My thoughts are along the lines of if this is not ok for the dog, crates are not ok, so the RSPCA needs to make a decision on whether or not they consider crates ok. Otherwise they have hassled a woman for no good reason.
Of course, the consideration might be made, are crates ok, (I know the majority of AAD forum believe they are), when shown in a different form (as in this case- a rabbit hutch)
And they were happier with the dog (a perfectly healthy happy looking dog..) living inside than out. (All my dogs would live outside, some do and hate being in with the heating!).
Summary for CC-jack russel in approx maybe 2ft by 2ft? rabbit cage outside, RSPCA said not appropriate, and happier when dog was kept inside too.
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Well you asked for opinions and mine are it was fine, the dogs was left whilst she did the school run, which was apparent as there was not faeces in the pen at all, what about the staffy that was starved nearly to death kept in a room in the house? so rooms are accepted? however a dog can be starved in one and never let out:rolleyes: so therfor even a large room can be abused??
A stable? horses have been left for months on end in their own faeces starving to death? ban stables? dogs have also been left to starve and never been released from a kennel, ban kennels?
Crates will never be banned, esp by the RSPCA...why? because they have dogs all over the country in foster homes and cats in crates:rolleyes: I used to foster for them, the dog I fostered came with a crate.

The pen (not hutch) as it was not a hutch was big enough for that size dog, what the next to useless inspector should have been doing is asking how long the dog was in? how much exercise, and encouraged her to leave a stimulating treat/water and appropriate cover if she is to carry carry on using it, like I mentioned if it where the same size but mimiced a dog kennel the neighbours would have said nothing! she was not very bright and did not argue, she agreed, if that where a normal person, they would have argued and there would not have been a thing that inspector could have done.
If there where no crates, the RSPCA would be crammed packed even more than they are now, I would also not rescue, I have 2 puppy terriers here and a puppy poodle, I aint bringing them into my home to let them run loose, I need to know they are safe and my dogs are not being pestered.

Her alternative, let the dog pish inside?, crate the dog? rehome the dog, to the never ending amount of lovely homes there are in the world?
She clearly cannot toilet trian it, im assuming she has has it 14 years? lol

Of course he was happier for it to be inside, so he did not have to respond to another complaint, they also ask travellers not to tie horses to fences at Appleby, but they don't enforce it, and that is far worse, they have no power, they can only hope the people they deal with are non to bright, in most cases they are not.

I would rahter see a healty happy little russel in a small pen in the garden for the school run, then a staffi in a lovely warm home, but locked in one room never let out and starved to death!!


When vets have strays in tey are kept in cages can be for up to weeks, are the RSPCA gonna stop vets using them?
 
TGM said:
How long was it confined to the cage for? (Sorry, haven't got time to watch the clip.) I can understand there being concern if the JR was left in there most of the time, for example.

Whilst I agree with the use of crates, they must be used sensibly and dogs should not be left in them for excessive periods of time. Going back to my cot analogy - it is wrong to leave a baby in it's cot all day and all night, similarly wrong to leave a dog in a crate all day and night. That doesn't make cots and crates 'wrong' - just that they shouldn't be used excessively!
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Exactly^^^^^

The amount of things we can abuse as I mentioned is endless, ban them all???

TGM the dog is in a rabbit run, its actually about the same size as a crate with lower roof, but appropriate for the size of the dog, the lady states the dog is placed in there on the school run as she is dirty when left, im assuming she cannot afford a crate and has a rabbit run at the ready, the grass around the dog is not worn or has any faeces in it at all, which proves what she says, the dogs is happy, healthy and friendly, I would say it need a bed/cover incase it rains, the pen is n the middle of the lawn in plain view, she has nothing to hide so prob was not bright enough to move it closer to the house:D it looks like a rabbit pen.

IRONIC the camera man then shows a huge shepherd chained to a house wall:mad:, tatty as hell and looking demented, does the RSPCA man attempt to give advice to that owner? NO:rolleyes:

Also shows a staffy that has been starved practically to death, where was it locked? in a room within a house?:rolleyes: did they prosicute? even though they had hair samples from the carpet in the room from the self and same dog? NO!:rolleyes:
 
Righto, cheers ST.
I really can't be bothered to watch :o so I won't comment, but just another one to wonder where they keep their rescue dogs.
I've been to the kennels of their equivalent here, and let me tell you, they don't have access to rolling fields or piles of duvets.....the chief executive of that organisation can't even call GSDs by their correct name so I won't be taking dog advice off him :p
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00vn04y/Animal_247_Series_7_Episode_2/

Fast forward 10 mins, and also take note of the shepherd chained to the wall (RSPCA says diddly squat about it):rolleyes:, and also the fact that the RSPCA fella says, the shelter was fine, water, clean, yet there is no shelter in it:confused:, not appropriate anyway, it a shelf running along the back where the owner slides it to get the dog out, so basically he has not looked far past the dog being placed in a pen (which has adequate room for the dog to move sit stand), for a short period.

The staff video watched was the one where it was starved in a room in a home, the J.r.t is the healthiest and happiest dog in all the clips:D
 
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Meh, skipped through it, I hate seeing tethered dogs anyway, never mind how poor it looks, way to make a territorial, high energy breed even more territorial and wired...JRT looks happy enough and I suppose for short periods it's not the worst place for her to be. That's about as much room as a lot of our ones have in a car box or trailer compartment on a road journey.
 
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