A 'woe is me', life is so unfair grumble...poor bonkers pony.

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Life is actually fine, but I am going to have a little grumble because...well...just because I can! A few months ago my friend, who keeps her horses across the road from mine, lost her little companion pony whilst I was pony sitting and she was on holiday. Pony died in a very distressing way from acute liver failure.

When vet next came they decided just out of precaution to blood test her other pony. Liver enzymes came up high, a biopsy was done and both liver enzymes and white blood count were high. So out of interest we got our guys over the road blood tested. Two were a little above normal and mine was the highest of the lot (GGT of 102 when normal was said to be 50). Vets weren't worried, said to monitor their condition but carry on as normal.

8 weeks later I have retested my pony and his figures have doubled. Bile levels are still normal but the vets have advised either a liver biopsy or to just try resting him for a month/6 weeks. He has been going the best ever, beautiful dressage work, jumping and games, a complete pleasure to ride. He is shiny, bouncy and happy, it's hard to think there is anything wrong. He is also already too fat (due to my field buddy admitting to me the other day that his carefully controlled diet has been supplimented with 3 flakes of hay a night!!!). So now he has to be rested (so more dieting, just as we were getting to the gallops each week to trim the weight off) with no idea what is causing the raised levels in any of the ponies. They are on different grass and hay, although only 100m apart. He has also had an infected elbow again and the flies are making his eyes weep. Poor little chap. I am going to ask the vet if low level exercise, bareback trec, 20mins walk with a mate and other walkign games are allowed, as we will go stir crazy!

Added to that there was a little 2 year old a mile away who died from grass sickness a couple of weeks ago. Given my fields got so flooded and muddy last year I'm terrified that whatever has been lying dormant in the soil is now affecting my horses.

Rubbish rubbish rubbish. I know a lot of you have a lot worse so I am just grumbling and a bit scared of the unknown really. (and my other half has just moved abroad with the army for 2 years so bit sad about that too!)
 
Sometimes, I think that the scariest thing is the unknown, as then you just imagine all sorts. I can't offer any help as have no real experience of liver problems in horses but wanted to send you some sympathy and vibes.
 
Thank you, I do appreciate it. It's just bizarre, the vet telling you that your healthy slightly overweight horse needs to be rested. When you look at any of them you don't see ill horses, but I didn't with the pony either. I'm trying to hard to be chilled about it, but like you say, not knowing is blinking scary.
 
I agree it is very hard not to worry with so much going on. It must be difficult for you with OH away for so long. Just wanted to say I understand, and it I not unusual to worry about the unknown, did not wan to read and pass on.
Hope all will turn out OK to you.
 
Not a nice feeling I think I would be grumbling aswell. it seems strange to rest an overweight pony who appears so well. I lost one of mine a few years ago. He had been bitten by an adder and due to previous liver damage before I got him his body couldnt cope, he was ridden the day before and we had no idea that his liver was so bad. He was aged and suffered sweetitch but still seemed fine. Nothing we could have done .
I do hope you get some answers
 
Thank you. The little pony my friend lost could have had access to ragwort before we got her. She was 18 and has been with us for 3 years since my 39year old girlie passed away and the highland needed a friend. Now she is gone too. We think if her liver was already struggling then whatever has hit the others (we think bacterial but no idea really) would have pushed her passed that critical point where the liver can remain viable. It was very sudden. But we are religious about ragwort everywhere around us, we grow our own hay so can be sure the hay is clear of it too.
 
Could it be that you have your fields sprayed or treated the same way?

My winter grazing has nothing done to it and my friend has only had hers sprayed for weeds since the pony died. We get our hay field (which is our summer grazing now hay is cut) fertilized and weedkilled, but her hay is not. It's all such a mystery!

My sisters pony has been keeping the other one company since little'un died so he has been on her grazing but my hay, and his levels have stayed stable.

The only thing I can think of is that we have had the wettest year we have ever had and the fields spent most of the year with large patches under inches of water.
 
There is no evidence that that is happening, and I can be up there at pretty random times. My own pony has been away from any neighbours for weeks now, and I can't imagine anyone feeding him anything before. I'll look up lungworm. We haven't had them tested for liver fluke either, but this isn't an area with any cattle or sheep, and the vets haven't mentioned it being likely. They all seem to think its an unknown bacteria.
 
Sometimes, I think that the scariest thing is the unknown, as then you just imagine all sorts. I can't offer any help as have no real experience of liver problems in horses but wanted to send you some sympathy and vibes.

This ^^

And hugs. Hope the vet says you can do something. I would be very annoyed that someone was feeding 3 sections of hay a night to a horse without permission :(
 
This ^^

And hugs. Hope the vet says you can do something. I would be very annoyed that someone was feeding 3 sections of hay a night to a horse without permission :(

Oh I am, fuming, believe me. But that's a whole other story.

He didn't seem a poorly pony last weekend when he was acting as 'water displacement specialist' after a trip round our local gallops.
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I've got to get off the laptop now and revert back to my mobile, so whether i'll find this thread again until im back on the laptop I don't know, but if anyone knows anything about liver issues or has words of wisdom I will definitely read them. Thank you all.
 
Liver fluke? Get a faecel sample taken we have wet land and ours had it in the spring but only the old and young show 'illness' treated simply with a cattle wormer called fasinex. Lots of fluke around this year due to the ground being so wet.
 
Mine had a liver infection beginning of this year. She did show signs things weren't right but I had a tough time getting anyone to believe me as she just went quiet and sluggish so it was "she's just being a lazy cob" Vet put her on a course of antibiotics and I put her on a herbal liver detox from natural horse supplies for a month, then continued with giving her milk thistle for another couple of months. Giving her a break from herbs for a month currently but going to start her back on them
 
Really sorry to hear that - what a worry for you. I'd be beside myself not knowing what the problem really was or how to fix it.

Obviously you must follow veterinary advice, but it might be worth having a word with Trinity Consultants (speak to Roger). A friend of mine whose horse had major liver problems, spoke to them and used their suggested routine of supplements and her horse improved far beyond what the vets thought possible. If the vet has prescribed any medication then you might need to check with vet in case of any interactions or anything.

Hope you get to the bottom of it.
 
This liver problem sounds exactly like what happend at a local yard (in Surrey). It had the vets totaly stumped. It would have been nice and easy to blame it on Ragwort ,but that really seems unlikely. Bad haylage, spray contamination , you name it ,yet nothing seems to fit. I have even wondered whether a suplement was contaminated. It is very odd.
 
Thanks everyone, that has certainly given me some things to look into tonight. Bought the poor pony a grazing muzzle today so we'll see what he makes of that idea!
 
Liver fluke? Get a faecel sample taken we have wet land and ours had it in the spring but only the old and young show 'illness' treated simply with a cattle wormer called fasinex. Lots of fluke around this year due to the ground being so wet.[/QUOTE

This was my first thought too, so surely vet should have it covered?
 
Sorry to hear you are having a bad time. Hope pony gets better soon. Sorry, no advice... Just good luck vibes
 
Sorry to hear about your pony, hope you get to the bottom of the problem. Sending you both lots of good vibes.

Can only suggest some liver support supplements and milk thistle extract.
 
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