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Any one used Alber products??

Any good?

Reason I ask is horses are spending a lot of time in due to our fields turning in to lakes
My boy starting to show signs of ulcers again...

He is currently on a gut balancer.

He is as-lib hay but spends a lot of his time watching every one else the nosey boy!
 
I did, had my horse on a course of Abrazole. It's questionable whether it's totally legal, you can import prescription drugs for your own use, but is for your own horse's use the same? Who knows but it did the trick for mine and my vet seemed totally ok with it (he had been on holiday when the ulcers became a problem).
 
JillA said:
I did, had my horse on a course of Abrazole. It's questionable whether it's totally legal, you can import prescription drugs for your own use, but is for your own horse's use the same? Who knows but it did the trick for mine and my vet seemed totally ok with it (he had been on holiday when the ulcers became a problem).
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Not sure what makes you think you can import prescription drugs for your own use ,that would also be illegal. The fact they send them here does not make them legal they take the risk they may get pulled out at customs and just send more if they dont arrive!
They are cheap, however untested not licenced not sure of contents? They come from India/ sri Lanka via Vanu Atu to the UK Not USA which some think.
 
Shavings said:
Thank you both for the replies :)
Just need to know if it's legal to order/bring in to uk for sure
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100% illegal to import and use within the UK and for that matter a huge number of other countries. Vet cannot even give you a prescription for them as they are not licenced in any way.
 
So what is the law? Which statute and section - it really isn't enough to just say that? I genuinely want to know so that my information will be correct in future, but I need to know sources.
 
JillA said:
So what is the law? Which statute and section - it really isn't enough to just say that? I genuinely want to know so that my information will be correct in future, but I need to know sources.
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Under the 1968 medicines act it is expressly forbidden to import any unlicenced medicine into this country for whatever use. If you wish to look deeper please feel free but lifes to short for me! However sorry dont quite trust the word of some para legal working out of Dubai which is what you seem to be relying on.
 
Also bare in mind you'll probably have import tax added at this end which bumps up the price.

There are few parcels coming into the couontry now that don't get it added.
 
popsdosh said:
Under the 1968 medicines act it is expressly forbidden to import any unlicenced medicine into this country for whatever use. If you wish to look deeper please feel free but lifes to short for me! However sorry dont quite trust the word of some para legal working out of Dubai which is what you seem to be relying on.
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Omeprazole is licensed for use in horses, though, isn't it?. It is out of patent (?) and anyone can make it for horses now, but only two firms do at the moment.
 
ycbm said:
They work.
They're cheap.
They arrive.
They're illegal.

That's about it really :)
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This ^^

It's exactly the same as grastroguard (the syringe version is the same colour and smell exactly). The granules are cheaper and easier to administer as given in food. I know of several people who have run out of insurance money for gastroguard and have turned to abler when their horses get recurrent ulcers and it works. But yes, it's illegal.
 
Wagtail said:
This ^^

It's exactly the same as grastroguard (the syringe version is the same colour and smell exactly). The granules are cheaper and easier to administer as given in food. I know of several people who have run out of insurance money for gastroguard and have turned to abler when their horses get recurrent ulcers and it works. But yes, it's illegal.
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It's advertised as an equivalent to gastroguard however with the fairly significant difference of not being manufactured under equivalent regulations. Just saying!!
 
ihatework said:
It's advertised as an equivalent to gastroguard however with the fairly significant difference of not being manufactured under equivalent regulations. Just saying!!
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Side by side they both smell and look the same. But of course, as they are manufactured in different countries the regulations will differ. I have a horse here (not mine) that has been on it every day for 6 years. Works well and the horse is happy, shiny and healthy.
 
ihatework said:
It's advertised as an equivalent to gastroguard however with the fairly significant difference of not being manufactured under equivalent regulations. Just saying!!
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Gastrogard is made in Brazil. I wonder what the regulations are there?

It's quite likely that the omeorazole people are being prescribed by their doctors is made in India, like Abler products. Lots of human drugs are made in India now.
 
ycbm said:
Gastrogard is made in Brazil. I wonder what the regulations are there?

It's quite likely that the omeorazole people are being prescribed by their doctors is made in India, like Abler products. Lots of human drugs are made in India now.
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You have completely missed the point. Oh well.
 
ycbm said:
Gastrogard is made in Brazil. I wonder what the regulations are there?

It's quite likely that the omeorazole people are being prescribed by their doctors is made in India, like Abler products. Lots of human drugs are made in India now.
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Very likely but they are licenced . it is not the constituents that are licenced but the product as a whole so one product containing omeprazole is licenced and another may not be. Its all about its authorisation and to be blunt if you trust a product that isnt.
 
1968 Medicines Act Section Part II S13 para 1 says "The restriction imposed by section 7(3) of this Act does not apply to the importation of a medicinal product by any person for administration to himself or to any person or persons who are members of his household, and does not apply to the importation of a medicinal product where it is specially imported by or to the order of a doctor or dentist for administration to a particular patient of his."
It really does pay to look stuff up - too much of "the moon is made of cheese" on t'internet.
If you buy Abler products from abroad, you need to state that it is for personal use, and I don't know if animals are considered to be "members of his household2, that will be for case law to interpret. Either way, I doubt whether CPS would consider it to be in the public interest to prosecute given that it isn't clear cut
 
JillA said:
1968 Medicines Act Section Part II S13 para 1 says "The restriction imposed by section 7(3) of this Act does not apply to the importation of a medicinal product by any person for administration to himself or to any person or persons who are members of his household, and does not apply to the importation of a medicinal product where it is specially imported by or to the order of a doctor or dentist for administration to a particular patient of his."
It really does pay to look stuff up - too much of "the moon is made of cheese" on t'internet.
If you buy Abler products from abroad, you need to state that it is for personal use, and I don't know if animals are considered to be "members of his household2, that will be for case law to interpret. Either way, I doubt whether CPS would consider it to be in the public interest to prosecute given that it isn't clear cut
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Looks clear cut to me from the' Veterinary Medicines Regulations 2005' but please feel free to establish your own case law.

Please bear with my guys !



Importation of an unauthorised veterinary medicinal product

25.—(1) It is an offence to import an unauthorised veterinary medicinal product except in accordance with this regulation.

(2) A marketing authorisation holder may import an unauthorised veterinary medicinal product if it is for the purpose of the manufacture of a veterinary medicinal product for which he holds the marketing authorisation.

(3) A holder of a manufacturing authorisation may import an unauthorised veterinary medicinal product if it is for the manufacture of a veterinary medicinal product that he is permitted to manufacture.

(4) A wholesale dealer may import an unauthorised veterinary medicinal product for the purposes of re-export.

(5) A veterinary surgeon may import an unauthorised veterinary medicinal product that is authorised in another member State if it is for the purpose of administration by him or under his supervision under the cascade or administration in exceptional circumstances in accordance with Schedule 4; the import must be in accordance with the appropriate certificate granted by the Secretary of State, and the product may be imported by the veterinary surgeon himself or by using a wholesale dealer or pharmacist as his agent.

(6) A wholesale dealer or a pharmacist may import an unauthorised veterinary medicinal product for the purpose of storing it pending administration by a veterinary surgeon under the cascade or administration in exceptional circumstances in accordance with Schedule 4 if—

(a)the veterinary medicinal product is authorised in another member State or a third country;

(b)the Secretary of State has issued a certificate certifying that—

(i)the disease or condition is such that the veterinary medicinal product is likely to be needed as a matter of urgency for the treatment of an animal;

(ii)delay in administering the product will seriously affect the health or welfare of the animal; and

(iii)there is no suitable veterinary medicinal product authorised in the United Kingdom; and

(c)in the case of a wholesale dealer, the product is within the terms of his authorisation.


Possession of an unauthorised veterinary medicinal product

26.—(1) It is an offence to be in possession of an unauthorised veterinary medicinal product.

(2) This regulation does not apply to —

(a)a veterinary medicinal product imported in accordance with a certificate granted by the Secretary of State under these Regulations;

(b)a veterinary medicinal product prescribed by a veterinary surgeon under the cascade;

(c)wholesale dealers if the possession is for re-export;

(d)a holder of a manufacturer’s authorisation or marketing authorisation if the intention is to manufacture a veterinary medicinal product.

(3) It is a defence for a person charged under paragraph (1) to prove that he was in possession of the veterinary medicinal product for the purposes of research or development of a veterinary medicinal product.


Supply of an unauthorised veterinary medicinal product

27.—(1) It is an offence to supply an unauthorised veterinary medicinal product.

(2) This regulation does not apply to —

(a)a veterinary medicinal product prescribed by a veterinary surgeon under the cascade; or

(b)a product supplied in accordance with a certificate granted by the Secretary of State under these Regulations.


Its illegal whichever way you look at it so is speeding or indeed any crime however it will only cause you problems when your caught.

Is the Moon not made of cheese after all? :-)
 
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I've used it for years, works perfectly, never had to pay any taxes on it.

As to it being illegal... To me it's criminal wat Merial ( producer of GG) has done, taken a drug that has existed for over 40 years, put a new package "made for horses" on it and made a fortune over our backs. Same goes for Boeringher inlgeheim that have done the same with peroglide which is now Prascend, absolute criminal behaviour. They never had to go through the whole testing phase as in new drugs (only toxidity but everyone already knew this was not a problem-hence we have used it for years prior), they just made a fancy wrapper which had the word "horse" on it and cashed it.

I have worked for Phizer in the past, know how these pharma companies operate and I made myself a promise that I'll never work for one again no matter how rough times get (self employed) they are absolute nutters and have no respect of life and have no concience.
 
Popsdpsh, surely omeprazole is now a generic authorised medicine now that it is out of Meriel's patent?


Your extensive quote prohibits only UNauthorised medicines.
 
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I've purchased and used and no I didn't have to pay any extra taxes or anything.
I'd do it again tomorrow if I suspected ulcers and couldn't afford grastroguard (in fact if I could afford it I'd not buy it I'd still go to Abler)
 
ycbm said:
Popsdpsh, surely omeprazole is now a generic authorised medicine now that it is out of Meriel's patent?


Your extensive quote prohibits only UNauthorised medicines.
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Omeprazole as a generic is only licenced as an individual product not as an active if that makes sense every product has to have its own licence. If it was the case it would make GG worthless as a product
 
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