Absolutely Devastated - Leaving horses behind *LONG*

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Since yesterday evening I have been in pieces.
As most of you know I care for/ride 2 beautiful horses, Bill (a 16.2hh 7yr old Friesian stallion) and Pally (a 17hh 12yr old WB gelding). I have been caring for them both for over 2 years. Over this time I have (with owner's permission) gotten them rugs,arranged farrier visits, vet visits, dentist visits, wormed them, checked them daily, fed them and generally ensured they were well. This was upon the owner's request. I did not ask any money for it as I got to ride them, but occasionally the owner would give me £10 or £20 for my troubles (Though rarely).
Twice Pally has become lame, first time, last summer I found him down in the field and his fore leg swollen, I phoned owner to request permission to phone vet. Then phoned vet, he came out, diagnosed damage to superficial flexor tendon. I then,m with owners permission, arranged for a stable to be used for him down at my yard (as there were none were he lived at this time), I arranged transport for him to be taken down, and for the month he was in cleaned him out, fed, watered, bandaged, gave medication etc. And when vet gave all clear I arranged transport for him to go back home.
With this more recent spell of problems I again, with owners permission, arranged for the vet to come, and as the owner has almost completed his stable block, managed to make a stable for him at his home. My mum and I went to the feed merchant and bought hay and bedding, we made his stable up, fed, watered and bandaged him. We have arranged vet visits, always been there for vet, always kept upto date on his meds etc etc and for the last 3 months he has been in. We have done all the cleaning out, arranging delivery of hay, arranging delivery of feeds and bedding, fresh water, etc etc. And for the last 2 months have been doing this without any payment whatsoever. This is due to the fact we adore these horses and only want the best for them.

The owner is a very wealthy man and has his own land and is building his own stable block. He has a herd of Highland Cattle along with his 2 horses. He is not horsey and knows next to nothing about them except they eat grass. He requested, 2 years ago, that I keep the horses healthy and well and rode them when I could.

Yesterday after seeing Bill gradually losing weight over the course of 2 months due to there being no grass in the field he and the cattle were in, and no hay provided, my Mum went to the owners house (castle) and enquired as to whether the gate could be opened to allow them into the next field which was full of grass. His owners wife (M) said that was fine and that she hadn't noticed he was hungry. My Mum explained he had wrecked his rug as he had been hanging over the barbed wire fence trying to get to the grass on the other side, and we didnt want to put another one on him only for him to do the same again, but we did want to rug him. So Mum came back to stable block as we were just finished seeing to Pally the owner came up to the block in his car and had a go at my Mum for 10 minutes for going to the house and talking to his wife. He said my Mum was "bullying" M. Anyone who knows my Mum will know she is not the type of person to bully and only wants to help.
He basically told us, in a nutshell that we "overstepped the mark" "he didn't mind us doing the horses for alittle bit of money on the side (we're not getting paid!) but were not to go near the castle" and that "he wasn't stupid and knew how to look after his animals". (Why am i doing it all for free then?).

Myself and my Mum were devastated. We pu our all into these horses and asked nothing back.

We got home and explained situation to my Dad who then went up today.
M attempted to make her husband see sense and insisted that he had got the wrong end of the stick and that she had not been at all bullied by my Mother and that he was blowing it out of proportion.

After a heated discussion between the owner and my Dad, it was concluded with my Dad saying;
"So it's ok for them to shovel [****] and do all your dirty work for nothing, but they're not good enough for a little respect?". To which the owner did not reply and got flustered and his wife profusely apologised and was cast aside by her husband.

My Dad also brought up the fact that he had been so aggressive and threatening towards a woman (my Mum).

It has ended that my Dad has refused to let us go back, and we have to make him see exactly how much work we have been doing, and let him do it himself without taking it for granted that the dirty work will be done.

M phoned us this evening apologising but my Dad refuses to let us return unless we get an apology and wages due from the owner.

I am devastated. I put my all into those horses and treated them like my own. I have had so many good times and although it was abit off I didn't mind caring for Pally for nothing because I adore that horse and he owes me nothing.The agony of it is, the horses are not to blame its the conflict of classes. The owner has an ego bigger than his castle and although we had been warned by numerous people, we didn't see that side of him until yesterday. I have now heard 3 stories about how badly he treats his employees and how snooty he behaves towards people.

I have been crying pretty much straight for the last 4 hours, thinking about Pally in his stable without his hay or feed, or fresh water, without being cleaned out or without his rugs changed. Just waiting for someone to come and see to him, and no one comes. Not tonight, or tomorrow night. He was already abandoned once before he came to his current home... and now i'm abandoning him again. And Bill is left to keep on losing weight as they have absolutely nothing to eat. And I've left them behind.
It's so heartbreaking. I feel so useless, like i've failed them.
M is phoning us tomorrow to speak to my Mum but i know that my Dad and the owner are at loggerheads and neither will back down.

I just can't comprehend never seeing these beautiful, kind horses again.

The owner is scared of them (wouldn't come in the stable block to bawl at my Mum but asked her to go outside because i was standing holding Bill) and so I can't imagine who is going to see to them. Theplace will never be the same for me now and it's truly agony when I had to drive past the driveway and not go see to them as I always do.

I know, somewhere, in a deep, deep part of me that this is right, we can't stand to be treated like sh*t just because that's what we shovel. Just because he's wealthy doesen't give him any right to be this way. But I cannot sit here and do nothing when Pally needs constant bandaging and given meds and they have no idea what to do for him. Or the farrier, or vaccinations... what about worming and rugging.

Didn't help that I then had to go show Rocco to a prospective buyer... a horse I so don't want to sell but have to because we can't afford not to.

Feels like i've lost 3 of them in the space of a day and it's killing me.

Please, some words of wisdom.. what is right?
 
crikey, you poor thing, some people are absolute sh***s, aren't they?
i would ring the guy right now and politely say that you are very worried about the horses tonight, have they been looked after today, because it isn't fair to them if they haven't, they have nothing to do with this disagreement.
hopefully he might see sense, apologise, ask you to come up and do them.
what have you got to lose?
if you seriously think no-one is doing them, i'd go up and check tbh, but that's because i put animals above people.
shame on him for treating you so badly. unfortunately he'd probably have had a lot more respect if you charged him £180 a week to do his horses. i'd do that from now on, i think.
it is human nature, for a lot of people, to think that what costs them nothing, is worth nothing.
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very best of luck with it.
 
I am sorry for you, and just don't know what to advise... In one way, you've been taken for mugs, doing everything for no money, but I understand your desire to do right for the horses. It ought to give you some say in their future but suspect it won't. There's a lot you could have done - send bills etc. but too late now the men are at loggerheads. Can you, mum and wife of owner quietly sort it out? Men are so reluctant to back down. You could issue ultimatum - take your horses and I wash my hands of them, or we must have proper agreement - but you could have your bluff called. Really don't know... difficult one.
 
What a bloody awful situation to be in and I have no words of wisdom apart from taking some legal advice. If you calculate everything you have spent in the last two years and an hourly rate, surely this would be more than the value of the two horses and you could invoice him. Dont know how this would stand without an agreement though.

The Laird is obviously up his own ar$e and needs a good kicking, but I wouldnt recommend this either.

I too would be worrying about them standing in the stables with nothing to eat, which is a welfare issue. Your dad is standing your corner and you have to give him praise for that, but I think its the 'informal agreement' which had to come to an end eventually.

Hope you can find an answer to this quickly hun. Hx
 
Really sorry to hear this. I have seen your photos of Bill and Pally and they are lovely. I hope it gets sorted out.

My suggestion would be to try and contact the wife and tell her what needs doing for the horses. I wouldn't talk to the husband or go down there at present.

If things do get sorted and you make it up, make sure you draw up a written agreement about what you will do for the horses etc.
 
Oh hun, i am so sorry, this is an awful situation, it really is, i know how you have loved and cared for those horses for a long time
That owner sounds like a real nasty piece of work he really does, i am glad your dad had words with him, as that awful man cannot get away with behaving like that
It is most ridiculous that you are paying for things for the two boys, i know you want too because you love them and if i were in your position i am sure i would too, but it is not right at all. This man is taking the mickey out of you and should not be allowed these horses as he is clearly clueless and heartless
I really dont know what to say, i just hope that idiot wakes up and smells the coffee, it must be awful for you thinking of those two lovely boys being without even basic requirements in life
I really hope things work out ok *big hugs* and good vibes going your way xxx
 
Hmm well obv the most important thing is that the horses are taken care of, espec the one on box rest.

I would ring him and ask who is going to be taking care of them, I understand you dont mind doing it for free because you ove them, but he can afford to pay you and is taking the mick out of you.
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He doesnt sound like a nice man at all, why does he even have the horses?
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That man is totally out of place! I hate people who by horses and have no idea about them and dont bother to lern along the way! It sounds like M is trying to talk some sense into the man! *fingers crossed anyway* It sounds heartbreaking and i dont want to see Bill and Pally in a bad way, there gorgeous lads who deserve a lot lot more then this man is willing to give them! I hope it all resolves for you and hope you get those gorgeous boys back.
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I've shed tears reading this. I cant belive it. I know how much you love and care for those horses. The owners have taken what you do for granted. I think that the idiots wife will make him see sense and hopefully you will get an apology (and payment).
I would write a letter to the wife explaining all that needs doing on a daily basis and you are at least owed an assurance that they are being cared for.
I can totally understand your Dad in this situation. He does'nt agree with you and your mum being taken as mugs.
I would like to think that in a few days the owners will come crawling back. If they do an agreement needs to be drawn up to avoid this happening again
Hugs to you and your mum. Please keep us posted with what happens. xx
 
You poor thing, that sounds absolutely awful. I agree with Kerilli too. Also, is it worth asking if you can have them on loan, formally? You then won't need to ask his permission to do anything. Just a thought. Hope it all works out
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Thank you to everyone who has replied. Myself, my Mum and my Dad have had another lengthly discussion about it. And while it is tearing me apart my Dad has insisted we wait for the phonecall tomorrow. For tonight I;m hoping that they have seen some sense and atleast thrown some hay in for Pally which i'm almost sure they would've done, as I have said in the past that if they're ever up to see him to just give him more hay if they felt he needed it, before all this.

I so want to go up and check Pally has hay and water... however I have not yet passed my driving test and have no way of getting there as my Mum has promised my Dad we will not return there tonight as he feels that the owner could become aggressive should there be another run in. My Dad's a big guy at almost 6ft4 and bulky and the owner most definitely was taken aback and irritated at the fact some mere mortal was standing up to him and not taking any more cr*p.

Should we have heard nothing by tomorrow noon then we are going to phone the wife and outline what he needs done, re: feed, water, cleaning out, hay, meds, bandaging. And also the field checks, cleaning out feet, rugging, farrier, worming, dentist for both of them.
I genuinely appreciate all you all have put in to this thread, to
Kerilli
Daisymay
LlwyncwnLaLaLaonhigh
Snow_Plough
Jellicle
Astipuss_inboots
St_Bernard
Night_Blitzen
rara007
misshell
Absolutely_Fabulous and
Saskia295

Genuine and heartfelt thanks. I really do need it at the moment.

I will keep you all updated on what is happening/happens.
Just watched a video I made of Pally and it just set off the waterworks again.

Thank you again

Also; We currently have Pally's passport after we had to transport him when he was injured, we simply forgot to hand it back. Where do we stand now with this? Should we post it back to them?

Thanks
Kirsty
 
This is terrible. I can't believe that he's going to leave them stranded in stables, someone will see to them surely?

If not, it's a welfare thing and the authorities will have to be called.

It is important they get feed and water, if nothing else. Can you ring and organise something with his wife and leave him out of it until the silly old bgr comes to his senses?

Do keep us all informed, and good luck x
 
Thanks guys.
Only Pally is in, on box rest, Bill is out in the field with the cows - with nothing to eat. I'll try get a picture of the field to show you what I mean about there being nothing to eat.

He likes the status symbol that owning two big impressive horses gives him. "I have a big black Stallion in my field, infront of my fountain." That's the type of person he is. Up until now.. it's never bothered me as I knew I was always there to care for them.
There's not a chance he'd hand the horses over to me, namely because they are both worth so much (Not so much Pally now, but Bill). Bill could survive out in the field all year with very little human interaction, though i wouldnt like him to, Pally on the other hand needs the pampered life or else he drops weight and he needs a close eye kept on his injuries. I do so love that horse, he has an extra super special place in my heart and to have to leave him is killing me.
 
What a devastating situation - it is clear how much you love those horses. I can't add anything but just to say that I do hope it all ends well.
 
i agree with misshell . put everything in writing ie what needs doing and what you would be prepared to do and give asap. keep a copy. he will hopefully see sense and realise its in everyone s best interests. if he does ,get an agreement drawn up . really hope it gets sorted you obviously love them to bits
 
Oh Boodle, what a..h..s !!! Can't believe this, with all the care and attention you've given lovely Pally and Bill...
They probably have horses just to look pretty around the castle...Just let them take the full measure of the work, care involved and as they know nothing about horses but want them to look pretty and healthy for the sake of their status, they'll come running to you. Then, just charge them for your work ! And keep passport until they come around...
Questions of days, I bet you ! And your dad is right about the whole thing.
Pally and Bill will survive it and you will soon be able to enjoy their company again.
So sorry about your lovely grey...Sure you can't keep him....?
Big hugs and keepus updated on the a..h...s ....
 
Thank you M_M.

Debsflo - I will do that tonight. When I write it down I get angry at how we're being treated. I've never asked anything in return, all I ever ask him is for permission to do everything for him.

Thank you blackeventer. I so hope that he does give in, but given his temperament I find it hard to imagine.
As for Rocco... there really isn't any way. My sister needs the money for University and as he is her horse it is down to her what she does with him. Doesen't make it any easier at all.
Thank you x
 
Very sorry for you and your horse friends tonight. People like their owners think everyone was put on the earth to serve them, absolute a**eholes. They obviously have no idea how to look after those horses and even if you tell them they aren't the type of people to follow instructions. You shouldn't have to but might I suggest you and your mum apologise to the owners for upsetting them and for any misunderstandings. If you enjoy doing the horses in return for rides I think thats ok, even if they can afford to pay you. Pr**ks like the owners love being said sorry to - plays to their egos, and if you can resolve the situation, for your sake and the horses', and go back to what you were doing before, maybe its worth doing. I don't blame you if don't want to, cos you're clearly in the right. Good luck whatever happens.
 
Thanks Tharg and Buffy2.

KVS - Yesterday when he was having a go at my Mum she apologised profusely, mainly through fear as he is a big and somewhat menacing guy. But he wasn't having any of it.

And now my Dad knows he'll have none of the apologising lark - too many morals to bow down to someone like this. His pet hate is those with this delusion of their own importance.
If it were up to me I probably would've quietly kept on going and doing what we have always done, but we couldn't keep it from my Dad as he knew something was up as soon as he saw drained and tear stained faces.
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Awww, honey. Huge hugs from me. I know how devastated you must be. You only have to look at all your pictures to see how much those boys mean to you.
i hope you can get this resolved and get back to your boys soon.


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What an upsetting time for you. I really hope it all gets righted and you can continue to look after them and be treated accordingly. I'm moving and having to leave a horse I care very much about behind with his owner. Not as bad as your situation, but I'd do near anything to take him with me. Good luck.
 
What a wanker the owner is, he doesnt deserve either of them, and he wouldnt have his big black stallion looking so stunning if it wasnt for you!!!

I want to say hopefully he will realise what he has lost espec when he realises how much it will cost to pay someone to dothe horses, or how much work it involves if he does them himself, but im sure that even if he does realise he wil be too proud and arrogant to admit it.

I just hope the horses dont suffer, but if youhave any reason to think they will, a call to the ILPH wouldnt go amiss.
 
Hopefully he'll get rid of his attitude, make a big apology and offer you lots of money to look after them again
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. You never know, stranger things have happened
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