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my 2 are stabled on a v basic working farm diy livery, around 15 liveries of varing standards. owned by a lovely farmer and have has v little input to the yard, desperate to keep liveries as needs the money. one of the horses on the yard has no respect for owner, bolts, rears, bucks, dangerous.end of. its fav trick is bolting thru the yard when she brings him in. owner has tried variou methods and settled on parelli. (each to their own, tho most are predominatly traditional) so last night he got away from her and under her method he has to come back to her when he feels ready. i was wating to bring my 2 in and ended up having to wait for 45 mins until he felt ready to be safely caught and stabled! now im quite opened minded but why should i lock myself in a stable for 45 mins until he's under control! really hard as farmer wants no trouble but this is down right dangerous!
 
he runs to the nearest patch of grass then follows horse that passes, in the end i led my two past whilst hurling various objects behind me to distract him.
 
Did she evr try a chifney (sp?) before parelli? As we have a horse on the yard who often either takes his owner for walks or takes himself (at speed) on his own. A chifney really helps her and makes her feel more confident.

I don't know what the atmosphere on your yard is like but maybe on a day where you have a spare half hour or something you could give her a hand (not putting yourself in danger), you never know you might be able to show her how to teach the horse some manners.

But no don't think it is acceptable and i personally wouldn't have the time to stand in my stable for 45mins waiting for the horse to run his owners schedule by deciding when he wants to come in!
 
Chuck a handful of nuts to distract him?

On our yard everything is led through the field with everything else - they soon learn it is not acceptable to chase the other horse. Of course that does rather depend on all owners enforcing the same set of rules!
 
If there was a loose horse anywhere on the yard I would go and catch(or try to) it. You can't have a dangerous animal running around uncontrollably.....if the horse escaped while she wasn't there you would just go and catch the thing surely?

I think she has totally misunderstood the method too, he's never going to back if he's quite happy eating grass!
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but yes I would just catch the thing and hand it back to her.
 
he is already led in a chiffney and happily bolts in it. he's even been to a parelli trainer who seems to be at a loss with him. he only does it when people around. the other day trying to school my 4 yr old and before i know it his head is hanging over the school fence! i have not got the time to put up with this!
 
Both the owner & her horses behaviour is totally unacceptable & the potential danger to other liveries & their owners is high. You should not have to be taken totally out of your routine because some idiot can't control her animal & basically lets it do what it wants to do.

You, together with other liveries need to make your feelings known to the owner of the horse with no manners & also the YO. Something has to change because someone will get hurt. From the little I know of Parelli this cannot be right what she is doing.
 
I would get a stallion chain on the headcollar or one with a built in chain (eskadroin do one). It works much like a choke chain on a dog but round the nose. My horse is bolshy and strong and used to drag the stable manager etc round the yard when he was at college and they had to use stallion chains to lead him. He is not dangerous though, he just lacks manners!

Funny though this reminds me of some of those dog cases on dog borstal - ie the horse finds anything but his owner interesting! He obviously knows he is the boss so is going to do his own thing. I personally would just have gone up to him re-caught him without fuss or drama and put him in wherever he was supposed to be. Sometimes this sort of behaviour just needs to be ignored to a point - firm but fair handling. at the very least I would have a blooming rope wrapped round his nose. i have never used a chifney but if this isn't working she should try a chain - all horses reasons differently to different gadgets so I would try try and try again til she feels confident and in control!

I don't think Parelli is the answer for this horse by any means.
 
she is really fuuny about anyone else 'interfering' as its not done in the parelli manner, i'd be happy to go grab him and hoof him in the stable but she wants him to make the choice. accident waiting to happen. shame is i know she's embarresed bout the whole thing
 
Well, I'm afraid if she can't control her horse, she will just have to accept 'interference' from other liveries.
 
Daisy really lacked manners when i first bought her and has very occassional relapses when she is exceptionally hungry ie on box rest or a starvation paddock. I have been there with the embarrassment of having your horse loose on the yard and everyone else judging you but leaving it to wander about is not the answer. Parelli trainer sounds incompetent if you ask me, I had a monty roberts trainer out to work with D and she was very firm albeit in a kind manner. You need to get several of you to speak to YO and explain why what is happening is so dangerous, both to you and to the owner. Our YO is a farmer but he would intervene under such circumstances.
 
Another person inoctrinated by paralli... can I add that to the list of why I don't like it? They're all so closed! If I found it worked I'd do it, or bits of it like I do bits of NH but... anywho

As much as I hate to bring this up but this is a Health and saftey matter. You know someone is going to get hurt, you know its going to be on Christmas eve to someone with a million kids. Tell her, doesn't matter whether she's embarassed or not, she needs to do something different or preferably get professional help. (that isn't paralli because it obv isn't working)
 
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Took the words out of my mouth!

I wish Tinypony was here now to defend this Parelli user!
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I would not wait for 45 mins for someone elses incompetence!!!

I was miffed when I got blocked in by an Ambulance today.... It blocked me into the carpark at work (old peoples home) the engine was running..... so thought they would be quick and make a quick getaway..... so waited and was made late for the school run.

When they eventually wandered out and got in, there was no emergency..... they were just too lazy to turn it off
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most yards wouldn't put up with it i know but our farmer will not really want to get involved as he needs to keep people but at what expense. i know its really horrible when your the talk o the yard but he is a massive issue on our yard. don't think any other yard would have them
 
The thing here is that anyone who REALLY CARED about their horse would ask other liveries for help rather than trying to save face by conning themselves that the horse has 'issues' and needs parrelli...

If you can catch the horse and lead it, why not just do it, despite her interference until the penny drops that the horse is taking the piss and needs to learn respect for her.
 
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I'm not going to defend her, she's an eejit. Nothing I was ever taught as a Parelli student said you wait until your horse feels like coming back to you if it's p'd off. IF you had time, and an enclosed space, and nobody else about to be disturbed by what you were doing, then you might work on <u>making</u> the horse want to come back to you... but I don't think this lady sounds advanced enough to be able to even think about that. Dangerous eejit.
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This is one of those points that people get wrong about Parelli. Does Pat P wait for his horses to want to do what he wants them to? No way. They stick with him, and come running to him, because he has taught them that doing anything else is really uncomfortable.
First rule anywhere is safety, not just your own. So she should be using whatever it takes to make her feeble frame mean something to the horse and stop him endangering others.
You know what? Carrot sticks with little ropes on the end come in really useful sometimes. They mean that you can grab hold of yours and take your horse anywhere you want to, while whirling it madly around you and your nag to keep the yard eejit's loose horse out of your way.
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It is not acceptable, I wouldn't wait that long for anybody:))
Would probably have marched with mine past the wretched thing and if it gets kicked, tough world! And I do have a tank of a horse that would sort the mess out quickly
 
I think you (or YO/other liveries) need to explain to her that you respect her wishes where her horse is concerned and that she does of course have every right to resolve the issue with whatever method she chooses but that the current one is not easily enforced on a busy yard because it affects everybody else too. The following options could then be suggested:
a) she sends him away to her Parelli trainer for him to be re-educated in the method of her choice
b) she move him to a rented field or similar for a temporary period while she re-educates him in the method of her choice
c) others on the yard (if willing) will help her in the method of their choosing (by prior discussion and agreement).

This way she gets to keep her dignity (and nobody need comment on or question her methods - just their suitability for the yard situation).
You really need to get the YO on side for this and it shouldn't be difficult if he needs the money because one livery is jeopardising his entire yard..

Tough love!
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I'd be peed off waiting 45 minutes I have to say. Wouldn't mind a 5 or maybe 10 minute wait, but that would be the limit of it. Other people have lives too!
 
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