Shilasdair
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Does anyone have youngstock by Accondy - and if so, what are they like to break? I have a filly...out of a Bavarian warmblood mare....
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Accondy Youngstock?
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bonny
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I know a few of them, but they are all out of pure tbs. Can be tricky as youngsters and I would say take time. The plus side is they are all talented when grown up.
Shilasdair
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I know a few of them, but they are all out of pure tbs. Can be tricky as youngsters and I would say take time. The plus side is they are all talented when grown up.
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In what way tricky? Forewarned being forearmed....
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I know a few of them, but they are all out of pure tbs. Can be tricky as youngsters and I would say take time. The plus side is they are all talented when grown up.
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In what way tricky? Forewarned being forearmed....
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bonny
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could be tempermental but not really in a nasty way just highly strung. they were all full tbs intended for racing but did take alot longer than most. really needed to do alot of schooling, local events etc before they could go into training or it might of all got too much for them. I would say they definatly need people handling them to be confident and experienced and prepared to take alot of time with them.
whats your filly like ?
whats your filly like ?
Shilasdair
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could be tempermental but not really in a nasty way just highly strung. they were all full tbs intended for racing but did take alot longer than most. really needed to do alot of schooling, local events etc before they could go into training or it might of all got too much for them. I would say they definatly need people handling them to be confident and experienced and prepared to take alot of time with them.
whats your filly like ?
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She's so laid back she's horizontal. Nothing bothers her, nothing phases her. But very very smart. Has worked out how to unplug electric fencing unit from battery...how to operate ballcocks etc....
She's rising three....so unbroken (not racing bred as half Bavarian warmblood) but I've done some in hand training and she's a quick and keen learner...so far...
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could be tempermental but not really in a nasty way just highly strung. they were all full tbs intended for racing but did take alot longer than most. really needed to do alot of schooling, local events etc before they could go into training or it might of all got too much for them. I would say they definatly need people handling them to be confident and experienced and prepared to take alot of time with them.
whats your filly like ?
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She's so laid back she's horizontal. Nothing bothers her, nothing phases her. But very very smart. Has worked out how to unplug electric fencing unit from battery...how to operate ballcocks etc....
She's rising three....so unbroken (not racing bred as half Bavarian warmblood) but I've done some in hand training and she's a quick and keen learner...so far...
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bonny
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she sounds great, maybe the cross with accondy and a warmblood was a better mix than a pure tb. they do seem to be very athletic and talented so good luck with her .
also just thought that I'd add all the accondy horses I've known have had nice natures and are good looking horses and they are sought after for eventing.
also just thought that I'd add all the accondy horses I've known have had nice natures and are good looking horses and they are sought after for eventing.
Shilasdair
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she sounds great, maybe the cross with accondy and a warmblood was a better mix than a pure tb. they do seem to be very athletic and talented so good luck with her .
also just thought that I'd add all the accondy horses I've known have had nice natures and are good looking horses and they are sought after for eventing.
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Thanks, I'm really pleased with her...she's clever but kind, although her motto seems to be 'bovvered?' so I'm probably going to have to get after her at some point...
I did have offers from a famous eventer for her but she's going to be my next hacking plod instead.
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she sounds great, maybe the cross with accondy and a warmblood was a better mix than a pure tb. they do seem to be very athletic and talented so good luck with her .
also just thought that I'd add all the accondy horses I've known have had nice natures and are good looking horses and they are sought after for eventing.
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Thanks, I'm really pleased with her...she's clever but kind, although her motto seems to be 'bovvered?' so I'm probably going to have to get after her at some point...
I did have offers from a famous eventer for her but she's going to be my next hacking plod instead.
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Anastasia
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S, dont know much about Accondy, but who's your Bavarian mare by?
seabiscuit
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She's so laid back she's horizontal. Nothing bothers her, nothing phases her. But very very smart. Has worked out how to unplug electric fencing unit from battery...how to operate ballcocks etc....
She's rising three....so unbroken (not racing bred as half Bavarian warmblood) but I've done some in hand training and she's a quick and keen learner...so far...
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That sounds more typical of the Saddlers Wells bloodline! Accondy is a grand son of Saddlers Wells and a lot of SW offspring are often very laid back, but intelligent. My Saddlers Wells granddaughter is the same, as was her father. She was a doddle to break in and perfectly behaved at her first show with not much work beforehand!
She's so laid back she's horizontal. Nothing bothers her, nothing phases her. But very very smart. Has worked out how to unplug electric fencing unit from battery...how to operate ballcocks etc....
She's rising three....so unbroken (not racing bred as half Bavarian warmblood) but I've done some in hand training and she's a quick and keen learner...so far...
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That sounds more typical of the Saddlers Wells bloodline! Accondy is a grand son of Saddlers Wells and a lot of SW offspring are often very laid back, but intelligent. My Saddlers Wells granddaughter is the same, as was her father. She was a doddle to break in and perfectly behaved at her first show with not much work beforehand!
Shilasdair
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S, dont know much about Accondy, but who's your Bavarian mare by?
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Called 'Enchantress' I think, by Dompfaff? The mare was bred at Straloch...
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S, dont know much about Accondy, but who's your Bavarian mare by?
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Called 'Enchantress' I think, by Dompfaff? The mare was bred at Straloch...
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Shilasdair
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That sounds more typical of the Saddlers Wells bloodline! Accondy is a grand son of Saddlers Wells and a lot of SW offspring are often very laid back, but intelligent. My Saddlers Wells granddaughter is the same, as was her father. She was a doddle to break in and perfectly behaved at her first show with not much work beforehand!
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Now I though Accondy was a son of Saddlers Wells, not a grandson?
My filly is quite an interesting character....very sensible...but sort of watches and calculates things....for example I tied up the ballcock on the trough, emptied it to clean it. My three all wanted to drink, the other two came and mooched around...she came, looked at the ballcock, directly untied the string and pushed the ballcock back down then drank from the resulting jet of water.
I do hope she's a doddle to break in too...at the moment she enjoys 'working' but it is just in hand baby stuff.
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That sounds more typical of the Saddlers Wells bloodline! Accondy is a grand son of Saddlers Wells and a lot of SW offspring are often very laid back, but intelligent. My Saddlers Wells granddaughter is the same, as was her father. She was a doddle to break in and perfectly behaved at her first show with not much work beforehand!
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Now I though Accondy was a son of Saddlers Wells, not a grandson?
My filly is quite an interesting character....very sensible...but sort of watches and calculates things....for example I tied up the ballcock on the trough, emptied it to clean it. My three all wanted to drink, the other two came and mooched around...she came, looked at the ballcock, directly untied the string and pushed the ballcock back down then drank from the resulting jet of water.
I do hope she's a doddle to break in too...at the moment she enjoys 'working' but it is just in hand baby stuff.
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seabiscuit
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WOW !!
Now that is intelligent! She sounds a babe have you got any photos of her?
I think Accondy was by Saddler's Hall? Who is by Saddler's Wells? Not quite sure though!
I think Accondy was by Saddler's Hall? Who is by Saddler's Wells? Not quite sure though!
Halfstep
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Wasn't Accondy approved by a warmblood studbook? Can't remember which one though....
He was a very nice stallion.
He was a very nice stallion.
Shilasdair
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Accondy was by Saddlers Wells -
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/accondy
and was approved as Hannoverian stallion...which wasn't much use to me as the mare was Bavarian
so my filly isn't registered anywhere......unless someone knows where I could register her?
I do have photos but don't know how to upload them...
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http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/accondy
and was approved as Hannoverian stallion...which wasn't much use to me as the mare was Bavarian
I do have photos but don't know how to upload them...
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seabiscuit
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Ah so he was by Saddlers Wells!
I think that I was getting him confused with Silver Partriarch! Duh! Also a Grey TB. He's the one by Saddler's Hall. Sorry!
There's a photo guide in the photo gallery section! Its really easy once you work it out. If you have the photos saved on your computer then you just upload them onto www.photobucket.com then its just a case of pressing a few buttons..
I think that I was getting him confused with Silver Partriarch! Duh! Also a Grey TB. He's the one by Saddler's Hall. Sorry!
There's a photo guide in the photo gallery section! Its really easy once you work it out. If you have the photos saved on your computer then you just upload them onto www.photobucket.com then its just a case of pressing a few buttons..
measles
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People locally have an Accondy mare who is 8/9yo and she's won a load of points eventing at Novice this season with a rider who is still at school, so much be rideable.
Good luck with your filly -she sounds super.
Good luck with your filly -she sounds super.
Shilasdair
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People locally have an Accondy mare who is 8/9yo and she's won a load of points eventing at Novice this season with a rider who is still at school, so much be rideable.
Good luck with your filly -she sounds super.
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That's good to hear.
One of my others is by Another Hoarwithy....which has made me recognise the importance of genetics
if you know what I mean.
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People locally have an Accondy mare who is 8/9yo and she's won a load of points eventing at Novice this season with a rider who is still at school, so much be rideable.
Good luck with your filly -she sounds super.
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That's good to hear.
One of my others is by Another Hoarwithy....which has made me recognise the importance of genetics
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Anastasia
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S, do you have the paperwork for her? Dompfaff was owned by the late George Nimmo, he never stood at Straloch. Do you have the name of her dam?
Sorry for being so nosey but my mum used to be the Stud Manager at Straloch for a brief period, and we started off breeding Bavarian Warmbloods.
Sorry for being so nosey but my mum used to be the Stud Manager at Straloch for a brief period, and we started off breeding Bavarian Warmbloods.
sw123
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See i'd always liked Accondy or the idea of using him but was completely put off by 3 that we had in to do things with. One was a very well bred and quite talented (although not v good looking) mare she was competing PN/N but had the most awful attitude that when she got to a fence she wanted to jump she showed limitless scope, when she didn't want to go it was a real donkey. Also was a nightmare in the stable!!
On another yard we had 2 in to break a few weeks apart. The first was a complete nightmare, in the stable it was a pain to be honest and it got to the point where when we put side reins on whilst lunging it didnt' want to work so literally just lay down on the school. In the end was sent home as the rider didnt' want to ride it and wasn't prepared to risk it.
The 2nd we had was fine in the stable, a complete nut case to lead about/turn out and slightly wild to work with. He was talented but omg quirky!!
Sounds like yours is a better version!!
On another yard we had 2 in to break a few weeks apart. The first was a complete nightmare, in the stable it was a pain to be honest and it got to the point where when we put side reins on whilst lunging it didnt' want to work so literally just lay down on the school. In the end was sent home as the rider didnt' want to ride it and wasn't prepared to risk it.
The 2nd we had was fine in the stable, a complete nut case to lead about/turn out and slightly wild to work with. He was talented but omg quirky!!
Sounds like yours is a better version!!
Shilasdair
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See i'd always liked Accondy or the idea of using him but was completely put off by 3 that we had in to do things with. One was a very well bred and quite talented (although not v good looking) mare she was competing PN/N but had the most awful attitude that when she got to a fence she wanted to jump she showed limitless scope, when she didn't want to go it was a real donkey. Also was a nightmare in the stable!!
On another yard we had 2 in to break a few weeks apart. The first was a complete nightmare, in the stable it was a pain to be honest and it got to the point where when we put side reins on whilst lunging it didnt' want to work so literally just lay down on the school. In the end was sent home as the rider didnt' want to ride it and wasn't prepared to risk it.
The 2nd we had was fine in the stable, a complete nut case to lead about/turn out and slightly wild to work with. He was talented but omg quirky!!
Sounds like yours is a better version!!
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OMG! Well, at least I'm prepared!
Mine did briefly experiment with lying down when the farrier first trimmed her feet, as a protest...but quickly decided to rise given a little foot encouragement
and has desisted from trying it again so is now perfect to trim
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See i'd always liked Accondy or the idea of using him but was completely put off by 3 that we had in to do things with. One was a very well bred and quite talented (although not v good looking) mare she was competing PN/N but had the most awful attitude that when she got to a fence she wanted to jump she showed limitless scope, when she didn't want to go it was a real donkey. Also was a nightmare in the stable!!
On another yard we had 2 in to break a few weeks apart. The first was a complete nightmare, in the stable it was a pain to be honest and it got to the point where when we put side reins on whilst lunging it didnt' want to work so literally just lay down on the school. In the end was sent home as the rider didnt' want to ride it and wasn't prepared to risk it.
The 2nd we had was fine in the stable, a complete nut case to lead about/turn out and slightly wild to work with. He was talented but omg quirky!!
Sounds like yours is a better version!!
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OMG! Well, at least I'm prepared!
Mine did briefly experiment with lying down when the farrier first trimmed her feet, as a protest...but quickly decided to rise given a little foot encouragement
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TURBOBERT
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Can I just say two things - a number of the most talented horses have reputations for being 'tricky' eg Primative Rising, Java Tiger, Cruising and even Jumbo. Often it is because they are intelligent and athletic not because they have any malice in them. If you look for a quuality sire you may have to be prepared for a little high spirits and sometimes general awkwardness but it will mean that you stand a very good chance of having a 'star' with patience and perserverence.
My second point is IMO too often the sire is blamed on the basis that the dam has been well trained or is 'easy'. The mare's training and bloodlines influence the offspring enormously. Even if she herself is 'easy' she might well have 'difficult' chaps in her breeding whose temperments come out in your foal.
My second point is IMO too often the sire is blamed on the basis that the dam has been well trained or is 'easy'. The mare's training and bloodlines influence the offspring enormously. Even if she herself is 'easy' she might well have 'difficult' chaps in her breeding whose temperments come out in your foal.
Shilasdair
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Can I just say two things - a number of the most talented horses have reputations for being 'tricky' eg Primative Rising, Java Tiger, Cruising and even Jumbo. Often it is because they are intelligent and athletic not because they have any malice in them. If you look for a quuality sire you may have to be prepared for a little high spirits and sometimes general awkwardness but it will mean that you stand a very good chance of having a 'star' with patience and perserverence.
My second point is IMO too often the sire is blamed on the basis that the dam has been well trained or is 'easy'. The mare's training and bloodlines influence the offspring enormously. Even if she herself is 'easy' she might well have 'difficult' chaps in her breeding whose temperments come out in your foal.
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Oh great...so I've got flybucking to look forward to as well
Only joking, I know what you mean about the mare...and I've ridden a few youngsters in my time...so I'm sure one of us will win
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Can I just say two things - a number of the most talented horses have reputations for being 'tricky' eg Primative Rising, Java Tiger, Cruising and even Jumbo. Often it is because they are intelligent and athletic not because they have any malice in them. If you look for a quuality sire you may have to be prepared for a little high spirits and sometimes general awkwardness but it will mean that you stand a very good chance of having a 'star' with patience and perserverence.
My second point is IMO too often the sire is blamed on the basis that the dam has been well trained or is 'easy'. The mare's training and bloodlines influence the offspring enormously. Even if she herself is 'easy' she might well have 'difficult' chaps in her breeding whose temperments come out in your foal.
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Oh great...so I've got flybucking to look forward to as well
Only joking, I know what you mean about the mare...and I've ridden a few youngsters in my time...so I'm sure one of us will win
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Irishcobs
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My god I was just going to post about him having had a 2yr old colt by him come to the yard this week.
This colt is out of a tb mare and is a nutter in the stable. If anything on the yard moves he is pacing up and down, screaming, spinning around etc. If the horse next door to him puts its head down so he can't see him anymore he runs up and down that side of the stable screaming ( I have a vid of it on my phone I'll put on later if you want).
We spoke to a stud that had Accondy stand there and they said he was exactly the same with them, to the point he was sedated so they could do things with him.
Said colt is going back to his owner at the weekend as we can't do alot with him at the moment until his balls are cut off as he is worrying off all of his weight.
This colt is out of a tb mare and is a nutter in the stable. If anything on the yard moves he is pacing up and down, screaming, spinning around etc. If the horse next door to him puts its head down so he can't see him anymore he runs up and down that side of the stable screaming ( I have a vid of it on my phone I'll put on later if you want).
We spoke to a stud that had Accondy stand there and they said he was exactly the same with them, to the point he was sedated so they could do things with him.
Said colt is going back to his owner at the weekend as we can't do alot with him at the moment until his balls are cut off as he is worrying off all of his weight.
Shilasdair
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My god I was just going to post about him having had a 2yr old colt by him come to the yard this week.
This colt is out of a tb mare and is a nutter in the stable. If anything on the yard moves he is pacing up and down, screaming, spinning around etc. If the horse next door to him puts its head down so he can't see him anymore he runs up and down that side of the stable screaming ( I have a vid of it on my phone I'll put on later if you want).
We spoke to a stud that had Accondy stand there and they said he was exactly the same with them, to the point he was sedated so they could do things with him.
Said colt is going back to his owner at the weekend as we can't do alot with him at the moment until his balls are cut off as he is worrying off all of his weight.
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Do you know the breeding of the dam...it's interesting as I know folk with a few Accondy youngstock up north...(none of whom are broken yet) and they're like mine - horizontal. The Ledbury met in the field adjoining mine - my 2yo didn't even break into a trot...went to sleep after an hour or so's viewing....
TBH, my worry is more that I'll have to get after her...
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My god I was just going to post about him having had a 2yr old colt by him come to the yard this week.
This colt is out of a tb mare and is a nutter in the stable. If anything on the yard moves he is pacing up and down, screaming, spinning around etc. If the horse next door to him puts its head down so he can't see him anymore he runs up and down that side of the stable screaming ( I have a vid of it on my phone I'll put on later if you want).
We spoke to a stud that had Accondy stand there and they said he was exactly the same with them, to the point he was sedated so they could do things with him.
Said colt is going back to his owner at the weekend as we can't do alot with him at the moment until his balls are cut off as he is worrying off all of his weight.
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Do you know the breeding of the dam...it's interesting as I know folk with a few Accondy youngstock up north...(none of whom are broken yet) and they're like mine - horizontal. The Ledbury met in the field adjoining mine - my 2yo didn't even break into a trot...went to sleep after an hour or so's viewing....
TBH, my worry is more that I'll have to get after her...
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sallyf
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Accondy was known for being sharp but it is an unusual trait for a Sadlers Wells stallion most including our own are known for there laid back temperaments.
We have covered many sharp mares usually because our stallion is laid back and everyone has commented on how lovely they are to deal with.
My sharp Poetic Justice mare has had 3 foals by our boy and all have been so laid back its not true the only fault they tend to have is a habit of jumping out of the field.
So i think with Accondy it may be something that comes from the dam line particularly as none of his brothers have ever been kept entire.
We have covered many sharp mares usually because our stallion is laid back and everyone has commented on how lovely they are to deal with.
My sharp Poetic Justice mare has had 3 foals by our boy and all have been so laid back its not true the only fault they tend to have is a habit of jumping out of the field.
So i think with Accondy it may be something that comes from the dam line particularly as none of his brothers have ever been kept entire.
Irishcobs
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I know nothing about the dam, except that we have had some of her youngstock before and they have all be really quiet to handle, in the stable etc. This colt's owner wanted to keep him entire as stallion potential, we are sending it back with a big 'get it gelded!' it doesn't have the confo or the temp for a stallion.
Shilasdair
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Forgive my ignorance, sallyf, but who is your stallion that you mention?
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sallyf
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My Sadlers Wells stallion is called High Tension.
Shilasdair
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My Sadlers Wells stallion is called High Tension.
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Ah, thank you. Do you have a website?
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My Sadlers Wells stallion is called High Tension.
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Ah, thank you. Do you have a website?
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Damien
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Yes his offspring are known to be buzzy, but question the mares used, several freinds have bred and owned them, predominatly TB crosses themselves, but Accondy himself was an absolute gent when I saw him, very laid back in his stable with a lovely outlook on life.