clarejones
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Hi i just wanted to know if acp in tablet form is legal i have heard from a few people it has been made illegal? Is this true ? Thanks
acp in tablet form is it legal??
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MarthaRodman1
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Hi ya. No it's not illegal. I have just recently been given 100 tabs for my horse! To 'take the edge of him' when walking him in hand and when he goes out - he's been on box rest for the last 6 months.
You're not supposed to compete on it though I don't think!
Hope this helps!
MX
You're not supposed to compete on it though I don't think!
Hope this helps!
MX
SSM
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I phoned my vet yesterday for some, they would not give me acp tabs just sedalin (clip phobic donkey)
Guess they must have a higher mark-up on sedalin.
clarejones
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Thanks for that i was getting really worried as i have a tub of them for my horse that has had to have his tendon cut in his front legs so i can safely walk him about!! He has been on box rest since xmas with laminitis so you can imagine what he is like now!!! I wonder why some people think they are illegal then? Thanks again for your reply
samp
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I believe that ACp is not actually licenced to use in horses, however sedlain gel is (yet thsi contains ACP)
Thistle
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my vet will precscribe tablets for horses.
Tempi
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im so glad bloss isnt the only clip-phobic HHO horse!!!! But i have to pay to have her FULLY sedated. Shes mega ticklish so otherwise she spends her whole time twitching/trying to rear/and throwing herself around the place!!
vicm2509
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When I had my last horse I had to give him 30 acp tablets before I had him shod as 2 farriers refused to come near him unless he had them!! He missed the farriers head by about an inch, he was absolutly terrified of the farrier that it was the kindest thing to do.
They are still legal though as I recently got some for my dog from the vet.
They are still legal though as I recently got some for my dog from the vet.
icemaiden113
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Yeah it is legal, but strange that some vets won't give them they give the sedalin gel, as they are just teh same, however the amount you give the horse does not increase sedation just prolongs it!
mostfunintown
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we like acp tablets they make happy ponies hehehe
star
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it is basically illegal for vets to give out ACP tablets. the law says that we have to follow the cascade with prescription drugs. that means if there is a licensed product we have to use it. in this case Sedalin is licensed for horses and is the only licensed ACP product in horses. With this on the market there is no reason to use the tablets instead so any vet who gives out tablets is breaking the cascade and therefore breaking the law. they really tightened up on the cascade last year - i always have to be careful what drugs i use and make sure i use a licensed one if at all possible.
sallyf
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30 acp tablets in one go , is it not safer to sedate properly.
I was always told that if 10 didnt work , increasing the dose certainly wouldnt.
Dougie
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its a vets discretion its not liscened but neither are alot of drugs
star
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its a vets discretion its not liscened but neither are alot of drugs
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not true - it's not discretion. there is a cascade that it is the law to follow. true, lots of drugs aren't licensed but we're only allowed to prescribe them if there is no licensed alternative. in the case of ACP in horses, sedalin is licensed so it is going against the cascade to give the tablets.
its a vets discretion its not liscened but neither are alot of drugs
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not true - it's not discretion. there is a cascade that it is the law to follow. true, lots of drugs aren't licensed but we're only allowed to prescribe them if there is no licensed alternative. in the case of ACP in horses, sedalin is licensed so it is going against the cascade to give the tablets.
Caritas
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I dont believe that they are illegal as my horse had an operation at the begining of the year and the vet prescribed some and the insurance paid up, surely this wouldnt be illigal!!!
star
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I dont believe that they are illegal as my horse had an operation at the begining of the year and the vet prescribed some and the insurance paid up, surely this wouldnt be illigal!!!
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if you want to disagree with me then fine, but i am a vet and i know what the law is and it specifically says i must follow the cascade at all times and when there is a licensed product i must use it. your insurance company wont care about the cascade but the RCVS do and i have to stick by it. they'll always be vets who dont follow the rules - the ones who give out ACP tablets are probably the same ones who backdate passports, but having just qualified i dont fancy being struck off just yet so i'll be sticking to the law.
I dont believe that they are illegal as my horse had an operation at the begining of the year and the vet prescribed some and the insurance paid up, surely this wouldnt be illigal!!!
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if you want to disagree with me then fine, but i am a vet and i know what the law is and it specifically says i must follow the cascade at all times and when there is a licensed product i must use it. your insurance company wont care about the cascade but the RCVS do and i have to stick by it. they'll always be vets who dont follow the rules - the ones who give out ACP tablets are probably the same ones who backdate passports, but having just qualified i dont fancy being struck off just yet so i'll be sticking to the law.
Caritas
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That is my opinion of which i am entitled to, I cannot believe how rude some of you people are on this forum!!
star
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That is my opinion of which i am entitled to, I cannot believe how rude some of you people are on this forum!!
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well, you basically accused me of telling lies. how do you expect me to react? you can have your opinion all you like but i'm telling you what the law says. i didn't get a degree a couple of months ago for knowing nothing!
That is my opinion of which i am entitled to, I cannot believe how rude some of you people are on this forum!!
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well, you basically accused me of telling lies. how do you expect me to react? you can have your opinion all you like but i'm telling you what the law says. i didn't get a degree a couple of months ago for knowing nothing!
Weezy
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That is my opinion of which i am entitled to, I cannot believe how rude some of you people are on this forum!!
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Star wasnt being rude she was simply stating what she has been told AS A VET! Like she said there is a cascade there and it is up to vets to uphold it or not, and she as a newly qualified has no asperations to be disqualified by the RVCS anytime soon
That is my opinion of which i am entitled to, I cannot believe how rude some of you people are on this forum!!
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Star wasnt being rude she was simply stating what she has been told AS A VET! Like she said there is a cascade there and it is up to vets to uphold it or not, and she as a newly qualified has no asperations to be disqualified by the RVCS anytime soon
Caritas
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I was not calling you a liar, I hadnt even read all of the replies properly, I was just stating my opinion. You are being rude and i will not change my opinion on that either!
Weezy
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But I dont see how she is being rude? She is simply stating the facts as they have been given to her - and as a newly qualified vet I can understand her frustration that her fellows are not following the words of the cascade!
star
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I was not calling you a liar, I hadnt even read all of the replies properly, I was just stating my opinion. You are being rude and i will not change my opinion on that either!
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given that you replied directly to my post that kind of suggests you are disagreeing directly with me. and i was informing you your opinion is wrong. if you cant accept that it's not my problem. i think you've been ruder to me than i have in any way. sometimes i dont know why i bother giving up my time to reply to queries on here.
I was not calling you a liar, I hadnt even read all of the replies properly, I was just stating my opinion. You are being rude and i will not change my opinion on that either!
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given that you replied directly to my post that kind of suggests you are disagreeing directly with me. and i was informing you your opinion is wrong. if you cant accept that it's not my problem. i think you've been ruder to me than i have in any way. sometimes i dont know why i bother giving up my time to reply to queries on here.
brighteyes
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Well, you really should. Star is not being rude at all. I read all the above posts and have felt uncomfortable with the way posts sometimes read, but not at all in this case.
I wish ACP in tablet form was readily available for horses and also wonder why some people seem to be able to get it and I can't but wouldn't dream of compromising a vet's integrity by asking them for it. It's miles cheaper than Sedalin, and that ticks me off a little.
Sorry to interrupt, but you shouldn't be offended.
I wish ACP in tablet form was readily available for horses and also wonder why some people seem to be able to get it and I can't but wouldn't dream of compromising a vet's integrity by asking them for it. It's miles cheaper than Sedalin, and that ticks me off a little.
Sorry to interrupt, but you shouldn't be offended.
brighteyes
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Stick around Star, your advice is gratefully accepted by lots of us. You know what they say about pleasing all of the people all of the time......
PapaFrita
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That is my opinion of which i am entitled to, I cannot believe how rude some of you people are on this forum!!
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Huh? Star was certainly not being rude; She was stating facts, which are entirely different to an opinion. It is your opinion that ACP tablets are licensed for horses based on the fact that your vet gave you some.
My vet has given me some in the past too, but I'm sure Star is not making things up. Why on earth would she? I think you're being rather rude by suggesting that she doesn't know what she's talking about.
That is my opinion of which i am entitled to, I cannot believe how rude some of you people are on this forum!!
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My vet has given me some in the past too, but I'm sure Star is not making things up. Why on earth would she? I think you're being rather rude by suggesting that she doesn't know what she's talking about.
Polonaise
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argh! some of these posts are annoying me, does anyone listen to what anyone says!
As explained previously vets are legally obliged to follow cascade, that means that if there is a licensed product for a specific use in a specific species it MUST be used in preference to an unliscensed product. ACP is ONLY liscensed as an oral gel for use in horses, therefore your vet is breaking the law if they give you tablets unless there is a good reason why you can't use the paste. It is nothing to do with how much they can "mark up" the product.
Also, increasing the dose increased the duration of action, not the amount of sedation, i.e giving your horse an overdose wont help!
As explained previously vets are legally obliged to follow cascade, that means that if there is a licensed product for a specific use in a specific species it MUST be used in preference to an unliscensed product. ACP is ONLY liscensed as an oral gel for use in horses, therefore your vet is breaking the law if they give you tablets unless there is a good reason why you can't use the paste. It is nothing to do with how much they can "mark up" the product.
Also, increasing the dose increased the duration of action, not the amount of sedation, i.e giving your horse an overdose wont help!
Dougie
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star the vets who give out acp tablets are not the ones who are likely to back date passports!! dont tar them all witht the same brush, acp is cheaper they are lookin gout for the owners....they have been in the game long enough to know what laws to stick to and what ones are bullsh*t
Doublethyme
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Also, increasing the dose increased the duration of action, not the amount of sedation, i.e giving your horse an overdose wont help!
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Not that I use ACP's for anything at the moment, but I didn't know that, so thanks for that bit of information.
As to anyone being rude, I think Star has given some excellent and useful information and if anyone was rude it was the other poster.
Also, increasing the dose increased the duration of action, not the amount of sedation, i.e giving your horse an overdose wont help!
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Not that I use ACP's for anything at the moment, but I didn't know that, so thanks for that bit of information.
As to anyone being rude, I think Star has given some excellent and useful information and if anyone was rude it was the other poster.
Polonaise
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agreed!
maddielove
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maddie requires ACP's for a few things...
the vet has to prescribe them for her anytime she comes to get anything by him done..for his own saftey!!!
she's scared of vest..we dont know why..but she freaks out at vets and has to be sedated for vaccines and teeth otherwise she becomes dangerous.
she requires ACP's for clipping too...the joys!
the vet has to prescribe them for her anytime she comes to get anything by him done..for his own saftey!!!
she's scared of vest..we dont know why..but she freaks out at vets and has to be sedated for vaccines and teeth otherwise she becomes dangerous.
she requires ACP's for clipping too...the joys!