Dougie
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she lives up to her name...maddie
soz bad joke
soz bad joke
acp in tablet form is it legal??
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star
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star the vets who give out acp tablets are not the ones who are likely to back date passports!! dont tar them all witht the same brush, acp is cheaper they are lookin gout for the owners....they have been in the game long enough to know what laws to stick to and what ones are bullsh*t
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i look out for my owners too but am not willing to break the law for them. it's not up to me which laws are good and which are bad - it is my job to stick to all of them and breaking any of them could be enough to get me struck off. it's nothing to do with which vets are looking out for the owners or not - i'd love to be able to give out drugs willy-nilly to whoever wanted them whenever they wanted them but my career isn't worth it.
star the vets who give out acp tablets are not the ones who are likely to back date passports!! dont tar them all witht the same brush, acp is cheaper they are lookin gout for the owners....they have been in the game long enough to know what laws to stick to and what ones are bullsh*t
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i look out for my owners too but am not willing to break the law for them. it's not up to me which laws are good and which are bad - it is my job to stick to all of them and breaking any of them could be enough to get me struck off. it's nothing to do with which vets are looking out for the owners or not - i'd love to be able to give out drugs willy-nilly to whoever wanted them whenever they wanted them but my career isn't worth it.
star
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oh, and caritas - thanks so much for the PM - not! say it in public if you want to say it at all. perhaps if you came back on this post you would see that everyone disagrees with you about whether i was rude or not.
Tia
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oh, and caritas - thanks so much for the PM - not! say it in public if you want to say it at all.
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Well done Star! Totally agree with you about naming and shaming. You never said anything out of order.
oh, and caritas - thanks so much for the PM - not! say it in public if you want to say it at all.
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Well done Star! Totally agree with you about naming and shaming. You never said anything out of order.
chestnut cob
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I used some earlier this year for clipping and vet didn't say it would be....
It's rubbish though, prefer Sedalin gel instead as it's far more effective.
It's rubbish though, prefer Sedalin gel instead as it's far more effective.
chestnut cob
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I phoned my vet yesterday for some, they would not give me acp tabs just sedalin (clip phobic donkey)
Guess they must have a higher mark-up on sedalin.
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My vet at home only gives Sedalin if you specifically ask for it. If you ask for ACP you get tablets.
I phoned my vet yesterday for some, they would not give me acp tabs just sedalin (clip phobic donkey)
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My vet at home only gives Sedalin if you specifically ask for it. If you ask for ACP you get tablets.
Tia
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Yes I was given tablets if I asked for them too. I've never actually used Sedalin.
chestnut cob
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Well, you really should. Star is not being rude at all. I read all the above posts and have felt uncomfortable with the way posts sometimes read, but not at all in this case.
I wish ACP in tablet form was readily available for horses and also wonder why some people seem to be able to get it and I can't but wouldn't dream of compromising a vet's integrity by asking them for it. It's miles cheaper than Sedalin, and that ticks me off a little.
Sorry to interrupt, but you shouldn't be offended.
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Have to admit I paid less for my ACP tablets when I had them earlier this year but I actually prefer Sedalin. I ended up with ACP because I didn't state Sedalin specifically. Horse had had Sedalin in the past and I prefer it to ACP tablets. The tables don't do anything to my horse, Sedalin is much more effective.
Star - I didn't realise ACP shouldn't be prescribed and wasnt licenced. Interesting, thanks.
Well, you really should. Star is not being rude at all. I read all the above posts and have felt uncomfortable with the way posts sometimes read, but not at all in this case.
I wish ACP in tablet form was readily available for horses and also wonder why some people seem to be able to get it and I can't but wouldn't dream of compromising a vet's integrity by asking them for it. It's miles cheaper than Sedalin, and that ticks me off a little.
Sorry to interrupt, but you shouldn't be offended.
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Have to admit I paid less for my ACP tablets when I had them earlier this year but I actually prefer Sedalin. I ended up with ACP because I didn't state Sedalin specifically. Horse had had Sedalin in the past and I prefer it to ACP tablets. The tables don't do anything to my horse, Sedalin is much more effective.
Star - I didn't realise ACP shouldn't be prescribed and wasnt licenced. Interesting, thanks.
chestnut cob
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Yes I was given tablets if I asked for them too. I've never actually used Sedalin.
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I like Sedalin. It's quicker to work, lasts longer and seems to be stronger. I felt I could have given mine 3 times the ACP does he had (not that I would!!) and still not seen much effect.
Yes I was given tablets if I asked for them too. I've never actually used Sedalin.
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I like Sedalin. It's quicker to work, lasts longer and seems to be stronger. I felt I could have given mine 3 times the ACP does he had (not that I would!!) and still not seen much effect.
Jo C
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My vet has also informed me that ACP in tablet form is not available any more, but I am just interested about this point. My pony was prescribed ACP at the beginning of the year before the law changed for laminitis. Forgive my lack of technical knowledge but I believe they were prescribed for something to do with dilating the blood vessels to the foot. Are vets still allowed to prescibe them for this use or does the paste have the same effect?
blaze
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This is really interesting - to my knowledge, my vets will still give out ACP and I'm glad they do so. Also interesting that people say the dosage doesn't make any difference, just prolongs the sedation, as my horse must be the exception to the rule. Small numbers of tablets literally don't touch her, as we found out when she was on very restricted turnout after the operation. Higher levels certainly calmed her down from the start, but didn't last any longer. Confused now!
Also, on another point (could be totally wrong so am quite prepared to admit it if so!) Isn't Frontline parasite spray only licensed for use in dogs and cats? Yet vets will advise horseowners to use it for leg mites, and thank goodness they do. Would that be illegal or not? Simply seems sensible to me. But wouldn't this be the same argument? Sorry if not!
And Star, I don't think anyone's doubting your knowledge - you've helped lots of us on here. It's just that because they've had different experiences, they're surprised (and I'm a bit fed up if I can't get it anymore, it's literally been a lifesaver for my horse and probably myself during her recuperation). However, I don't think you have the right to lump all vets together and make huge libellous statements about vets who still prescribe ACP with discretion being the same as those backdating passports. Everyone bends rules occasionally - doesn't make it right, but doesn't mean we break every rule going. And no, I am not a vet!
No offence intended - I have just learned that it pays to be very careful what you say in anger! ;-) Let's all take a chill pill. ACP, anyone?! (V bad joke...)
Also, on another point (could be totally wrong so am quite prepared to admit it if so!) Isn't Frontline parasite spray only licensed for use in dogs and cats? Yet vets will advise horseowners to use it for leg mites, and thank goodness they do. Would that be illegal or not? Simply seems sensible to me. But wouldn't this be the same argument? Sorry if not!
And Star, I don't think anyone's doubting your knowledge - you've helped lots of us on here. It's just that because they've had different experiences, they're surprised (and I'm a bit fed up if I can't get it anymore, it's literally been a lifesaver for my horse and probably myself during her recuperation). However, I don't think you have the right to lump all vets together and make huge libellous statements about vets who still prescribe ACP with discretion being the same as those backdating passports. Everyone bends rules occasionally - doesn't make it right, but doesn't mean we break every rule going. And no, I am not a vet!
No offence intended - I have just learned that it pays to be very careful what you say in anger! ;-) Let's all take a chill pill. ACP, anyone?! (V bad joke...)
Tia
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The point Star is making is that IF there is a product which is licensed for horses then this must be prescribed first and foremost - if there isn't, then vets can prescribe the product which is known to work on other animals but may not necessarily be licensed for use in horses. Cascade system!
ACP does work in the way that has previously been described.
ACP does work in the way that has previously been described.
star
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My vet has also informed me that ACP in tablet form is not available any more, but I am just interested about this point. My pony was prescribed ACP at the beginning of the year before the law changed for laminitis. Forgive my lack of technical knowledge but I believe they were prescribed for something to do with dilating the blood vessels to the foot. Are vets still allowed to prescibe them for this use or does the paste have the same effect?
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Sedalin is just ACP in paste form - it's exactly the same stuff with the same effects in general, although it's strength and absorption rates may be slightly different.
My vet has also informed me that ACP in tablet form is not available any more, but I am just interested about this point. My pony was prescribed ACP at the beginning of the year before the law changed for laminitis. Forgive my lack of technical knowledge but I believe they were prescribed for something to do with dilating the blood vessels to the foot. Are vets still allowed to prescibe them for this use or does the paste have the same effect?
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Sedalin is just ACP in paste form - it's exactly the same stuff with the same effects in general, although it's strength and absorption rates may be slightly different.
emma69
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Hi Star, hope things are going well for you. I don't think you were even slightly rude to that person, and anyone that PM's abusively deserves to be named and shamed!
I have a question, purely theoretical, as I am sure the last time I used ACP tablets were the only form available! If a vet wanted to prescribe ACP, but they were out of stock of Sedalin, would they then be allowed to prescribe the tablets if they had them in stock?
I have a question, purely theoretical, as I am sure the last time I used ACP tablets were the only form available! If a vet wanted to prescribe ACP, but they were out of stock of Sedalin, would they then be allowed to prescribe the tablets if they had them in stock?
star
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Also, on another point (could be totally wrong so am quite prepared to admit it if so!) Isn't Frontline parasite spray only licensed for use in dogs and cats? Yet vets will advise horseowners to use it for leg mites, and thank goodness they do. Would that be illegal or not? Simply seems sensible to me. But wouldn't this be the same argument? Sorry if not!
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nope, not the same argument at all. there is no licensed product containing what is in Frontline for horses, so as no licensed alternative available it is perfectly ok to prescribe Frontline for mites in horses. The point about ACP is that is there a product licensed for horses so that must be used 1st.
i agree, my statement about vets prescribing ACP tablets and backdating passports was rather generalised, but it just annoys me because if no-one broke the rules, no horse owners would expect us to but because there's always people out there who will owners put pressure on me to do the same and as a brand new grad i dont want to be breaking the rules - i want my career!
Also, on another point (could be totally wrong so am quite prepared to admit it if so!) Isn't Frontline parasite spray only licensed for use in dogs and cats? Yet vets will advise horseowners to use it for leg mites, and thank goodness they do. Would that be illegal or not? Simply seems sensible to me. But wouldn't this be the same argument? Sorry if not!
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nope, not the same argument at all. there is no licensed product containing what is in Frontline for horses, so as no licensed alternative available it is perfectly ok to prescribe Frontline for mites in horses. The point about ACP is that is there a product licensed for horses so that must be used 1st.
i agree, my statement about vets prescribing ACP tablets and backdating passports was rather generalised, but it just annoys me because if no-one broke the rules, no horse owners would expect us to but because there's always people out there who will owners put pressure on me to do the same and as a brand new grad i dont want to be breaking the rules - i want my career!
star
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Hi Star, hope things are going well for you. I don't think you were even slightly rude to that person, and anyone that PM's abusively deserves to be named and shamed!
I have a question, purely theoretical, as I am sure the last time I used ACP tablets were the only form available! If a vet wanted to prescribe ACP, but they were out of stock of Sedalin, would they then be allowed to prescribe the tablets if they had them in stock?
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i dont think so. bit more of a grey area, but i would think they have to order in the licensed product unless it's some sort of emergency and cant wait until the order comes in.
Hi Star, hope things are going well for you. I don't think you were even slightly rude to that person, and anyone that PM's abusively deserves to be named and shamed!
I have a question, purely theoretical, as I am sure the last time I used ACP tablets were the only form available! If a vet wanted to prescribe ACP, but they were out of stock of Sedalin, would they then be allowed to prescribe the tablets if they had them in stock?
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i dont think so. bit more of a grey area, but i would think they have to order in the licensed product unless it's some sort of emergency and cant wait until the order comes in.
emma69
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Ok, that makes sense. In the past I was prescribed things for horses that I know were 'made' for dogs, and that it wasn't the normal product I would expect to get for the condition (can't remember the actual products) I *think* I got those products because I went to the small animal practice (after the vet did a phone consulation with me) to pick them up - guess they don't stock the horse drugs there, but it was on my way somewhere!
maddielove
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she lives up to her name...maddie
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haha too trrue!!!
my mum spotted this when she went to get like..sicky on letters..what's worse is it seperates to
mad-die!:O
she's thankfully not as mad anymore!
she lives up to her name...maddie
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haha too trrue!!!
my mum spotted this when she went to get like..sicky on letters..what's worse is it seperates to
mad-die!:O
she's thankfully not as mad anymore!
Jo C
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Thanks Star!
beh
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theyare legal, arnt they?, my old mare had to take some when she was on boxrest to help the blood circulation to her feet/hooves
star
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theyare legal, arnt they?, my old mare had to take some when she was on boxrest to help the blood circulation to her feet/hooves
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theyare legal, arnt they?, my old mare had to take some when she was on boxrest to help the blood circulation to her feet/hooves
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