Advert wording - 'above average livery facilities'

Sounds an extremely silly seller. To me there are far. More important things than wooden stables or Olympic sized arenas. Hope horse finds a good home soon!
 
depends on the boxes-night big airy concrete stables are my preference and I think provide a better living environment and would not send mine to a scrappy yard where basic maintenance/weed care in fields etc. is not managed, like quite a few shoddy livery yards( and private yards!) If you haven't had a better standard of yard, you may not understand the difference.
 
SusieT said:
depends on the boxes-night big airy concrete stables are my preference and I think provide a better living environment and would not send mine to a scrappy yard where basic maintenance/weed care in fields etc. is not managed, like quite a few shoddy livery yards( and private yards!) If you haven't had a better standard of yard, you may not understand the difference.
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Have you trained to come across so rude or does its come naturally ?
 
I think Susie is the perfect owner for this horse, she obviously has and understands the value of above average livery facilities. :p

I do understand the difference - I used to have lessons at a yard with facilities that would make even the fussiest owner smile - but not many can afford that level of livery fees, but that doesn't make them rubbish owners or mean that their horses suffer.
 
Maybe its another way of saying "five star home" only? But then again never knew why people put that in either, its not like some rough bloke is gonna read that ad and say "ara can't buy that, it's only to a 5 star home" hahaha!
 
There's crappy and there's shabby. I've bought a couple of horses from very posh yards with fountains, white post and rail, immaculate tack rooms and client rest rooms.
They came back to a shabby farm with well managed pasture but no solarium, clipping boxes etc, and they absolutely thrived. They didn't care, they just enjoyed the fields, living with a herd and having a roll in the mud. They were happy enough to produce some very nice work.
 
If I were still looking then he would be one on my list.

The yard our horses are on, whilst not a high end hard, is fine. Decent boxes, reasonable school, but more importantly, and this would be referenced ad naseum, good field rotation, our instructor on site, experienced fellow liveries (friends), and with every form of professional support on speed dial should any need arise.
 
Hmmm I've seen some yards with "above average facilities" such as beautiful stables, lovely indoor and outdoor schools, washrooms and solariums, where the horses have turnout on lush green individual paddocks. Would I send one of mine there? No chance! Turnout is generally limited in summer because the grass is too rich, and often non existent in winter because the owner likes to keep the paddocks mud free...

Fantastic facilities don't always a happy horse make!
 
I have kept my horses in a variety of yards over the year, from one end of the scale to the other and i can honestly say the more above average ones were the worst for taking the horses needs into consideration, they are more interested in cleanliness and saving the fields than anything else, so I dont think the above average yards are always best, his a lovely Arab his on AL too although I dont remember the advert there mentioning the livery yard bit.
 
Goldenstar said:
Have you trained to come across so rude or does its come naturally ?
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Too posh for us on here in our little wooden shacks!! haha!!

Theres a difference between a 5* home and a above average facilities... we dont have allot of facilities at my yard but I would definatly say its a 5* home!! , just because we dont have the facilites doesnt mean the horses arnt looked after any better than a horse with a fancy prancy stable, top of the range walker and the best indoor arena money can buy!

Muppits lol
 
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I understand her wanting the best home for him, but surely love, care and attention are far more important than fresh paint, the latest surface in the school, automatic water feeders and immaculate yards?

My yard is a little tatty round the edges. It's on a working farm so in typical farm fashion has piles of what I see as rubbish, but what the farmer sees as useful bits and pieces lying around (all in safe places). But it has lovely big stables (my boy's is 18'x14), an outdoor school with a heath robinson but effective floodlight system and a surface that ideally needs topping up but is fine and much better than my friend's which looks immaculate but is too deep to ride in! They get turnout all year (in overnight in winter) in fields that are well fenced and well managed and most importantly the YO and all the other liveries are lovely people (and horses for that matter!) who look out for each other's horses and help each other when necessary. There are a few places near me with amazing facilities and that are spotless but I wouldn't swap my yard for the world.
 
There is a video of him being ridden in a field surrounded by a housing estate.
My field is surrounded by detached houses in spacious grounds.
Does this make me 'above average'?

*Snort* and *preen* at the same time.

Smashing horse though.
 
RebelRebel said:
There is a video of him being ridden in a field surrounded by a housing estate.
My field is surrounded by detached houses in spacious grounds.
Does this make me 'above average'?

*Snort* and *preen* at the same time.

Smashing horse though.
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Your well up there then!! lol!!!
 
RebelRebel said:
There is a video of him being ridden in a field surrounded by a housing estate.
My field is surrounded by detached houses in spacious grounds.
Does this make me 'above average'?

*Snort* and *preen* at the same time.

Smashing horse though.
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There's also a photo with some wooden stables in background...
(My horses have wooden stables and the only issue I have with them is how hot they can get).

He's got his mouth open a lot in the video. Very beautiful otherwise though.
 
He is a beautiful horse, but is 16hh not a bit big for an Arab? I always thought they were to be up to about 15.2hh max.
 
that ad says the following to me;

head strong/difficult 'strong character'

lacks basic schooling/no brakes 'very forward going'

bad manners/sharp/difficult on the ground and under saddle 'He needs an experienced, confident, quiet & capable rider/handler. He can be quirky to deal with on the ground'

difficult to shoe (he is ten yrs old and only has fronts on in photo) takes 45 mins for a pair of fronts 'Needs re-assurance with farrier'

he does not kill you or himself when loading and travelling 'Ok to box & travel'

really really opinionated owner who does not really want to sell her horse so is putting obstacles in the way.

good luck to her but i would not bother looking too much against him in that ad
 
Its also a completely pointless requirement becasue I might have a box reserved on a very posh yard but once I've bought him there is nothing to stop me giving notice and moving him to a £10 a week field only DIY yard, with droopy barbed wire fencing and no facilities at all.

If she wan't to keep him well managed (in her eyes) she should loan not sell.
 
rather funny really.

what does the owner expect to do on seller, a homecheck to prove he's going to the standard of place she wants him to?

Might be slightly awkward if potential buyer lives at the other end of country..
 
Nice looking horse, but the ad does read as if he needs a bit of work, so I think the price is a bit high. I say this as the owner one of his half brothers, Celebrity Psyche, who is an absolute dude.
She wouldn't like my facilities at all, and yet I have this wonderful, well bred horse living very happily there. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that he's never been as relaxed as he is now - living out 24/7 with friends and shelter!
To answer the question earlier, some arabs are quite big these days, and it's allowed in the breed standard. My boy is only 14.3hh, he's a very different stamp of Arab to this one. However I do have a retired Arab mare who stands at 16hh.
 
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lula said:
rather funny really.

what does the owner expect to do on seller, a homecheck to prove he's going to the standard of place she wants him to?

Might be slightly awkward if potential buyer lives at the other end of country..
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Well, taking everything else out of the equation, why shouldn't or wouldn't they do a homecheck if that's what they want? Would hardly be the first time in history... No, it doesn't stop him being sold on or moved to a different place but still - you do what you can! I'd homecheck when selling, just like most people I know. And if they don't want to traipse to the other end of the country, they won't sell to someone there. Simples.
 
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I saw an ad for this chap at Lindum, and from the description there he reminded me a little of our Spud's situation when we got him - Spud was an ex in hand stallion who had been through the twirly shanky in hand ringer and who had a few special needs as a result. The couple who were rehoming Spud loaned him to us first to make sure that he was happy and then we bought him. The priority was always Spud. We have no 'facilities' other than 24/7 turnout on some scabby ex allotment land, a shelter, and good local hacking, but for a horse who had been 'intensively produced' for much of his life that was exactly the sort of low pressure home he needed.

I hope this horse finds his 'person'.
 
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I read the advert as meaning he's difficult to deal with on the ground and needs professional handler who won't be scared of hie 'quirks'. It's also interesting that she doesn't say the fracture wasn't horse related, just that it wasn't caused by coming off...reading into it it may have been caused while handling on the ground. It's odd that there is so much detail on the shoeing?! Yes above average facilities...needs worked all year round everyday and someone who handles a lot of horses to control him on the ground. Mmm maybe I'm getting too cynical. Beautiful horse though.
 
Cherry platypus I was about to say the very same thing, the fact they said the injury was not from falling off screams handling accident to me.

I know a yard with fabulous facilities, yet the majority of people working there are short tempered and aggressive.
I also know a girl who has 4 shoddy stables and just a mountainside to train her horses. Her stables are full of clean straw and she manages to break in even the quirkiest of horses on her own in a hilly exposed field. She just has the most amazing way with horses and had endless confidence and patience.

Facilities are irrelevant, provided theres sufficient turnout, its all about the handling and riding

The horse in the ad sounds like a nightmare to me, but I'm a wimp
 
I wonder if he is difficult to handle, as people have supposed, and the current owner wants somewhere which has got slightly more to enable them to have the best chance at dealing with him. If you've got a field shelter and a field, it'll be a fair sight harder to try and deal with a horse who is difficult than if you've got an enclosed yard, big stables and professionals around to help you...
 
EstherYoung said:
We have no 'facilities' other than 24/7 turnout on some scabby ex allotment land, a shelter, and good local hacking, but for a horse who had been 'intensively produced' for much of his life that was exactly the sort of low pressure home he needed.
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Spud was a lucky boy to find you. I completely agree that sometimes you do need to remove pressure and with an understanding horseman/woman that has a good 'feel' for the best way to approach tricky horses - huge progress can be made calmly.

cheeryplatypus said:
I read the advert as meaning he's difficult to deal with on the ground and needs professional handler who won't be scared of hie 'quirks'.
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You might be right, I honestly don't know as I've never met the horse. I'm just not convinced that having 'above average facilities' will ensure that the owner/staff etc... are the right person for the horse. Ester had basic facilities but she was perfect for Spud.

minimilton said:
Facilities are irrelevant, provided theres sufficient turnout, its all about the handling and riding
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Agreed.

I really hope that the owner finds the perfect home for him and that he thrives.

RE the shoeing problem. I know that I'm biased, but would it not be sensible with a horse that's dangerous to shoe, to pull the shoes and see if it was possible with the correct diet and management to get the horse comfortable working BF/booted?
 
Faracat said:
RE the shoeing problem. I know that I'm biased, but would it not be sensible with a horse that's dangerous to shoe, to pull the shoes and see if it was possible with the correct diet and management to get the horse comfortable working BF/booted?
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Aboluly worth try with tricky horse IMHO you pick your arguements and having abig one every 6 week that could be avoided got to leave enery to focus on other things
 
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