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Flame_ said:
There's a lovely arab on Facebook that says "not for endurance", they want it to go showing. That would have really narked me off if I was still looking.

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When a horse is sold, it is sold surely.

If the arab above fitted my criteria (and was not lame or broken winded - which wouldn't necessarily preclude it from showing) and just happened to find itself going on long rides what could the previous owners do about it?
 
Flame_ said:
There's a lovely arab on Facebook that says "not for endurance", they want it to go showing. That would have really narked me off if I was still looking.
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Having read about endurance, and cruelty lately, I dont think Id sell a horse to go for that. After all, although I may be selling, I do care about where he goes.
 
What annoys me most is those stupid adverts that are written from the horse... I mean, really? They usually miss out the information you actually need, but its ok because now I know that the horse like grass and carrots and going really really fast!
 
I find it infuriating when the wording goes on for paragraphs extolling how wonderful this horse is at jumping, works in a beautiful outline etc. etc. and then the only picture of it is one of it, usually at an odd angle so it's head looks massive, just standing so you can't even see it's conformation.

Or those ads with 12 minute long videos of it being brought in, groomed, tacked up, riding along a road, jumps some X country jumps it's probably been over 150 times already and at some point the rider will stand up on its back. Or the ones where the horse for sale is being filmed with a head-cam so you only ever see its back end.

I imagine the needs to go to a home where it can realise it's potential is so they can jack the price up.

Knowing people who have been let down several times by people who came and rode the horse several times, brought instructor, etc etc, I can understand the 'no timewasters' comment.
 
im another that cant imagine any horse would be to traumatized by mulling round a field with their mates all week and only going out for the odd hack. Its certainly an arrangement seems to suit my horse very well.
Personally i think that happy hackers are made, not bought and it just takes time...Im speaking as someone who bought a **** of a horse who settled eventually to be the perfect happy hacker.
 
Flame_ said:
I hate the "no time wasters" thing too.

There's a lovely arab on Facebook that says "not for endurance", they want it to go showing. That would have really narked me off if I was still looking.

Also the ones that want bitless, treeless, barefoot people only. They just bug me - imagine if shops put signs up saying "only people over 5'6 and wearing sandals can shop here", they're taking the mick!
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I have had lots of enquiries for my (now) 6 year old Shagya filly. I could have sold her to a top Spanish Endurance Rider as an unbacked 3 year old and for a good price. I won't sell my horses for endurance. Even before the recent scandal, I observed treatment of endurance horses when we competed. She is a 'potential' eventer. Why? She has not evented yet but has shown her stamina and courage in endurance and her scope as a SJ in her first season.
 
When I read an advert I want to know as much as I can about the horse. I don't want to know that 'he likes cuddles', 'loves mints' etc. Sometimes owners seem to think that their horse is destined for greatness but 'is being wasted in present home'. I want to know what it can do, what it knows etc so I don't waste my time going to view a horse that has been wrongly described. This has happened many times.

Honesty in the advert is the best policy, conning people to come & view a wrongly described horse is not going to encourage someone to buy. Oh & some sellers think that because you've come to see their wrongly described horse & haven't bought that you are a time waster....... rather the other way round really.
 
Rollin said:
I have had lots of enquiries for my (now) 6 year old Shagya filly. I could have sold her to a top Spanish Endurance Rider as an unbacked 3 year old and for a good price. I won't sell my horses for endurance. Even before the recent scandal, I observed treatment of endurance horses when we competed. She is a 'potential' eventer. Why? She has not evented yet but has shown her stamina and courage in endurance and her scope as a SJ in her first season.
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This is very disciplinist!!! There are many, many fabulous horse people who take part in endurance, you have taken part in it! There are whacking great big divs and horse abuse in the showing, eventing and dressage world too, and at least a lot of endurance people are currently trying to do something about the problems within their sport. I understand sellers wanting to know a bit about buyers' experience but saying a horse can only go to a showing/ jumping/ whatever home is quite rude IMO.
 
FfionWinnie said:
I really hate adverts which have a whole paragraph about how their brothers aunties cousins uncle died and therefore they've had to make the sad decision to sell the horse through no fault of its own.

Argh for gods sake just tell us about the horse

OH AND!

"I can't believe this horse hasn't sold yet!!!!!!"

Which I always want to reply with, "well I can since your photos are horrific, it's not been ridden for 6 years and you want a million pounds and no time wasters"
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Top bit....that one is normally a scam....!
 
VikingSong said:
Can't say that I paid peanuts for mine. I'm not bothered by price, tbh. Whether the horse is being sold for £2'000 or £20'000, I'm more than happy to pay the price so long as the horse is healthy, has decent conformation, manners and we click. All of mine are well behaved and decent to hack.

It's just difficult to find decent horses for sale where the owners haven't stipulated in the advert that they're looking to sell to someone who is planning to compete/show the horse. That's great for those who do compete/show, but not so great for those of us who don't.
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I am not sure you read my post correctly? I meant that there is an assumption that a happy hacker will be cheap. To me, a good hack is actually hard to find..and is worth a fair price!
 
The best ad is still the single line one which says age, sex ,price and height, all the guff is purely subjective. Photos rarely are good enough and you can find out all you want from a single phone call.
I hate the modern age of, photos (usually appalling and tell you nothing), Videos for selling are useless (as everyone starts to see things that are not there and critisise the riding). Loose video of a horse being chased about with a lunge whip or plastic back show totally unnatural movement. I could go on but if you want a horse to buy ignore the advert beyond the phone number and if it is the size age and sex you want and is roughly in your price range phone up and if that is satifactory go and see it. It is easy to buy/reject a horse if you see them in the flesh. I bet hundreds of buyers are ignoring what they are looking for by reading adverts
 
Lol so true. I remember when i tried my pony i asked what sort of person/rider they wanted for her? ' just someone who will enjoy her' is what they said. I am very put off by ads that only want competition homes,as if the horse cares what activities its doing with new owner
 
I can see both sides of this one. As an owner when selling I just want my horses/ponies to have a good home,, regardless of whether they are 'wasted'.

However, my mum, as a breeder of RPs, has a different view. She rarely advertises as producers tend to go to her to look at stock for their clients. If she breeds a pony she knows is HOYS quality she wants an experienced showing home for it as it is ponies with her prefix being placed at HOYS that keeps people coming back to her to buy her stock.
 
It doesn't really bother me tbh.

Once you buy the horse they have no say in it, I think people only say it as they feel they are giving the horse a better life by being 'used' to full potential.

Not a lot puts me off advert wise though, spelling and grammar doesn't bother me either as long as I can get the jist of it.

The whole 'sharp' thing doesn't bother me either, having had a sharp horse I understand that it doesn't equal crazy.

The one thing that really annoys me on adverts is POA.. Stops me inquiring full stop, just put the price I'm either willing to pay it or I'm not. I don't want a lengthy phone call to then decide it's not in my price range.
 
I rang up about one last time i was looking. He looked and sounded the right type. The woman answered the phone and i said i was ringing about the horse she had for sale, she said 'oh yes, well we will keep this brief because its hard enough the fact i have to sell him!' She really didn't want to be bombarded with questions so i left it at that and didn't bother !
 
Luci07 said:
I am not sure you read my post correctly? I meant that there is an assumption that a happy hacker will be cheap. To me, a good hack is actually hard to find..and is worth a fair price!
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No, I did read your post correctly. I can honestly say I've never assumed a happy hacker would be cheap or complained about the price? As said in my post, it doesn't matter to me if the horse is being sold for £2'000 or £20'000 so long as the horse has decent conformation and was in good health etc., then price is not a factor to me.

My gripe wasn't about price, it was regarding the sheer amount of ads that stipulate the seller will only sell to those who are planing to compete/show etc., their horse. When you trawl through the ads and virtually all the adverts are like that then it can be frustrating.
 
VikingSong said:
Actually, this thread has reminded me of a rather obnoxious advert I read on HHO's buy & sell pages a couple of weeks ago. The ad was for an IDxTB hunter and the owner made it clear in his ad that he wouldn't sell to "females" because previous owner had been a "small female" who had "wasted the horse's potential."

Now, I can understand that some sellers may want to gender discriminate if their horse is not used to being handled by a certain gender, but when the horse has had previous owners of both genders then it strikes me that it is the seller, not the horse, who has issues with the opposite sex....
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WTF :mad3: now that would of really put my back up, assuming all "females" are inferior for this horse instead of rider ability, regardless of sex. Makes me think there was no "small female" and that he doesn't want to think a female rider is going to buy and get more out of the horse than him :rolleyes:
 
It is even worse in the For loan adds! Currently looking for a kids pony! Now yes an owner has more right to say only for this or that but you feel like you are being interviewed from the start. The adds read a bit like:
"YOu have to have land, stables, transport, 3 generations of experience, light enough to school pony, kid must been expert. Needs to show a county level min. Only within spitting distance of current location with referees." I want a little pony for them to bumble about on and have fun not to go to HOYS!
There is also lots of " difficult decision" etc.
 
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