Advice needed - broncing mare

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I was wondering if anyone had any tips on preventing your horse getting his/her head between their front legs? Sounds a random question I know! I have posted on here before about my broncing mare and my numerous accidents(!) but a brief summary again...

My (just turned) 6yo ID/WB is a big chunky girl at 17.2ish. My biggest problem with her is broncing... she only does it in certain situations and hadnt done it for ages until yesterday. I went with a friend to try jumping a few logs (we havent quite got jumping nailed yet so they were tiny) and my friend was giving me a lead over them... cue D getting thoroughly overexcited throwing herself over the jump, trying to charge after the lead horse and then all of a sudden going from pretty much flat out to a stop, head down literally on floor and then bronc bronc buck bronc bronc etc I managed to get her head up and she stopped, heavens knows how i stayed on as i remember banging one of my feet on the top of the saddle as I came 'down' from a great height at one point!

She has done it before - first hunt (lasted 100 yards), getting over excited jumping (broke elbow) and on sponsored rides when someone is going away from her. I have decided it is either separation anxiety or overexcitement and basically her throwing her toys out of the pram if i decide she isnt allowed to go at the speed or in the direction she wants to.

She has been checked (numerous times) by the vet, physio, dentist, she has a custom made saddle which is checked monthly so all pain/physical probs have been ruled out.

Sorry this is going on a bit, but I figured if she couldnt get her head down so low she couldnt do it.. you cant pre-empt it - it comes completely out of the blue and with her big ID neck you need the strength of Geoff Capes to stop it going down. Someone suggested a daisy rein horse size but i dont want to prevent her stretching over fences, someone else suggested a Gag of some type.. i ride her in a lozenge KK training snaffle at the moment so its ultra gentle.. anyway i was wondering if any one had had this problem and over come it? Will she just grow out of it? What can I do when it happens so intermittently and i cant recreate it if i try!?

Its B*ggering things up a bit at the moment as i would love to get her out and about to more sponsored rides, hunting etc but falling off pretty much everytime isnt much fun and at 33 i dont bounce as much as i used to!

Secretly i am just hoping after staying on the last couple of times she will know its no use and she will give up but in the meantime happy to try any other suggestions!

Sorry for the essay and thanks in advance!
 
My pony does this occasionally in the same situations as yours! His best trick in broncing when I canter bareback, so he knows I'm insecure :rolleyes: Haven't fallen off him yet but he's a big pony though compared to how small I am, so I struggle sometimes to hang on! All I can do really is sit up and lean back slightly, grab the pommel or neckstrap and hold on, I also send him forwards with my legs and if he's really pratting about I tap him on the shoulder with a crop. As soon as she starts broncing, send her on and use your voice to tell her to go. Do you ride with a neckstrap? Good to hang onto when they start broncing! And it might be worth trying a waterford mouthpiece as then she can't get the bit between her teeth and pull so much!
Do you have lessons?

Hope that helped a bit :)
 
normally i'd say "re-check saddle, check back, check teeth" etc etc but it sounds as if you have done all those.
so, i'd say either - have enough in her chops when jumping (or in the sort of situation where you can see she might start) that IF she does it you can get her head up quickly (waterford or something she can't really lean on, so if you do take a pull to get her head up she reacts quickly and in the right way!) OR there is something called a buck-stop, a strap that goes across under their top lip iirc, which only comes into play when they dive down to start bucking. never used one but heard good things about them... good luck, real broncking is no fun at all.
 
Sounds exactly like my Tb when I go to an event, so I am interested in the replies. Mine is 17.2 too and he gets so incredibly over excited and explodes when attending any event. He's absolutely fine at home and in quiet environments, and I long for the day he'll just stay calm if we go somewhere exciting.

I know I have to just try to get out as much as possible to desensitise him to going out and socialising with lots of horses and in busy environments, but it’s a battle just staying on.
 
Thanks for the advice - keep it coming! And sorry to hear people are having similar problems but it is reassuring!!

Thanks for the suggestions, and yes i do ride with a neck strap and i do have lessons twice a week. Without sounding like a drama queen you literally don't have time to grab anything, it happens so fast and suddenly you are bouncing out of the saddle. She bucks as well but I can always sit these... its the real rounded back broncing that i struggle with!
I make her sound evil and she isnt - i am sure it is just overexcitement and I agree gettign her out and about more will probably help heaps, its just having the nerve to do it :) and thanks for the tips on the bit, will investigate further!

Please can someone reply whose horse used to do this and who grew out of it? Just to boost all our confidence!!!? :)
 
Thanks for the suggestions, and yes i do ride with a neck strap and i do have lessons twice a week.

Please can someone reply whose horse used to do this and who grew out of it? Just to boost all our confidence!!!? :)

Ask you instructor on advice too on how to sit it, they'll help you to make your position more secure :)

I also used to have my stirrups slightly shorter than usual when taking my pony to places, helped me to stay on! :)

I say used to, because as you hoped someone would say, my pony does seem to have 'grown out of it' even though he's 14 :p I think after he learned that I could stay on and that I wasn't having any of that (I used to 'tell him off' with a growly voice and sending him forwards) he sort of gave up, he only used to do it out of excitment or like I said when I rode him bareback, and now he only does it every once in a while :)
 
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