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My showjumper gets very strong out jumping but at the same time he doesnt like really strong bits he has a sensitive mouth. When he keeps his head down i am in control but he can all of a sudden put his head up real high and i lose control. He is a very enthusiastic horse and loves his job previous to when i brought him he had jumped 6 year old classes and under 21s he does prefer bigger tracks and has more respect for them. Some people have suggested a market harborough or a standing martingale. He has very good flawork and i school him in a eggbutt sprenger dymanic. Here is a video so people can see what i mean please be nice to me in this vid i had him in a mullen mouth black rubber pelham, iv tried universal waterford and it was to much, iv tried so many bits. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hqyq3bZe9A
 
Wow what a lovely horse- right up my street!

He's not running off with you and he's relaxing in the corners just needs to let you help him a bit.

I'm no tack/bitting expert but your running martingale doesn't look to be doing anything have you tried shortening it a hole or two?

I PERSONALLY don't like to see a standing martingale in show jumping , i would have thought any restriction in the head and neck movement will not only make the horse uncomfortable but may result in pulling the pole off behind too. Although I'm sure there us a reason for using them when required.

Nice horse and lovely round
 
Thankyou very much :) He is a lovely boy he does give me alot of confidence as he is keen and he just loves his job. When doing related distances and that hes like woohoo i know what i got to do he locks on to the fences lol:D And in jump offs you have to keep on the ball as if you need to go in between fences he thinks he has to jump them. I have got him back in a normal noseband can that make a difference maybe i need to go back to the grackle:confused:
 
whats he like when you go right back to basics - simple snaffle and caveson?
How tight are you doing the curb on the pellham?
do you always work in schools or do you ever go for a fun hack and have a good gallop anywhere?
 
I have a normal cavesson on now with a flash i wish i could jump him in a snaffle i have tried but i have now control lol I take him hacking twice a week and if we go along the bridle ways there are lots of fields to have a gallop. I just dont know what to try now he is so difficult to bit unless i try a different type of pelham the one i had on in the video is a mullen mouth black rubber pelham
 
I've got one like that and he's 17.2. I actually prefer riding something like that which goes forwards into the bridle than a backwards thinking horse. Mine is going well in a straight bar metal pelham with the curb chain removed, and the dreaded standing martingale - a special elasticated one for jumping done up very loose. Running martingales made him worse as he would pull his head forwards and then up to evade them. He also went well in a nathe pelham but since we started Newcomers, he has become even keener and the metal one is best just now. However with the addition of a curb chain and being held up too much, he loses confidence.

I think you ride yours very well as you sit up and don't lean forwards. Do you notice in the video that his head is up and you are not fully in control before the bell even rings? I think you need to get him listening to you slightly more and be less tolerant of things like this. Also, the jumps are very small and this problem might actually turn itself into an asset as they get bigger. I wonder if part of it is because he isn't really having to concentrate over the small jumps.

I would also stay away from the galloping out hacking just now and stick to controlled canters, unless you are fittening him for eventing.
 
Mithras said:
I've got one like that and he's 17.2. I actually prefer riding something like that which goes forwards into the bridle than a backwards thinking horse. Mine is going well in a straight bar metal pelham with the curb chain removed, and the dreaded standing martingale - a special elasticated one for jumping done up very loose. Running martingales made him worse as he would pull his head forwards and then up to evade them. He also went well in a nathe pelham but since we started Newcomers, he has become even keener and the metal one is best just now. However with the addition of a curb chain and being held up too much, he loses confidence.

I think you ride yours very well as you sit up and don't lean forwards. Do you notice in the video that his head is up and you are not fully in control before the bell even rings? I think you need to get him listening to you slightly more and be less tolerant of things like this. Also, the jumps are very small and this problem might actually turn itself into an asset as they get bigger. I wonder if part of it is because he isn't really having to concentrate over the small jumps.

I would also stay away from the galloping out hacking just now and stick to controlled canters, unless you are fittening him for eventing.
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Thank you so much i took your advice and went and bought the pelham with the straight bar with metal mouth and he loved it. Here is a couple of pics of us this evening :D
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Lovely horse, he looks like he is going well now, I like the way that you sit up and dont allow yourself to be pulled forward.I think he may benifit from larger fences as they may back him off a little more, but when you feel ready and confident, he is obviously more relaxed at home(as photos show)good luck and enjoy your lovely horse.
 
rossiroo said:
Lovely horse, he looks like he is going well now, I like the way that you sit up and dont allow yourself to be pulled forward.I think he may benifit from larger fences as they may back him off a little more, but when you feel ready and confident, he is obviously more relaxed at home(as photos show)good luck and enjoy your lovely horse.
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Thankyou yes he deffo needs the bigger fences he does prefer them and respects them more im happy jumping big at home but im not ready to go out and do the big tracks yet i need some more ring experience, iv got about 20pounds left in british novice so i will be out of that soon so i will concentrate on doing the discoverys and 1.05s and just go from there. I just dont want to take him out and do a big track and not feel confident as its not fair on him but im hoping by next spring i will have more confidence to perhaps aim for 1.20s. Maybe i might see you out sometime im in the south west do you ever do wales and west shows?
 
Your plans sound like a really good idea for you both. I am in the far east of the uk so am unlikely to venture west of london! My older horse retired last year and I am at present trying to school her daughter who is a 4yo , we have only done a few jumps at home but it is looking good. Good luck to you both.
 
thats great good luck with your youngster. i love producing young horses its the best feeling i would like to get a youngster in the next couple of years or so cant afford it at the momment tho i already have another one who is currently out on loan as hes 14.2 as he needed to be with a junior, i produced him from a baby and hes out jumping on the junior circuit
 
He sounds exactly like my boy! After being very apprehensive about using one I finally gave into trying a market harborough and haven't looked back! I don't school in it as it will cause a false outline but love it for jumping and wish I'd used it sooner!
 
i found out tonight by his old owners that they have rode him in a hackamore before and found it really good for him, so i spoke to my trainer tonight going to see how it goes if i still find hes strong going to try the hackamore
 
Equestrianfriends said:
Thank you so much i took your advice and went and bought the pelham with the straight bar with metal mouth and he loved it. Here is a couple of pics of us this evening :D
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Great to hear its working for you! You can always take the curb chain off if its too strong for him. You might also look into one of those bib type martingales which are popular with showjumpers just now, like a cross between a running and standing. My tanding martingale hardly ever comes into play now and I often forget to put it on, but it did the job when I first started out and he was worse then than he is now.

Its often just a quetion of getting miles on the clock! A lot of good showjumpes are very forward going and a bit strong anyway, and you actually make a very nice picture together!
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