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I brought a horse two years ago. the lady told me she had MS and could no longer ride for much longer. she told me he did not have any vices and even worte on rec no vices ...

I then had someone ride him and he reared 6 weeks later. and fractured his pelvis ( i blamed this rider as he had no history of rearing.

After his return to work a year later he then started to rear with different people ( luckly he does not with me )

The other week i decided to look at his race history and managed to track down his owner/trainer.

She then told me his full history. Did not rear at all with her but when they sold him to the lady who i got him from she called her back a month late begging them to take him back cause he had been rearing with her. They were not in a postion to take him back .

She then sold him to me. I told her that i was going to riding him and so was my 14 year old sister

Where do i stand I now know she lied to me and since have seen her out competing .

Raahhhh I love the horse dearly but I would never have brought a rearer or sat anyone else that he can danger

P.s this horse does not just rear he goes straight up and flips back......
 
Can you get the original owner to put into writing the information she has given you?

A lawyer would be able to give you advice as to whether you have a case against the lady you brought him from. Once you know your position then you may be able to negotiate a return of your money - presumably you don't want to give him back to her and she won't want him back.

If he didn't have the flipping backwards problem with his original owner (assuming she is telling the truth!) it's likely to be pain related. As he has already broken his pelvis it may be something that will never be resolved.

If you send a contact e-mail to my in-box I can give you the details of someone who may be able to help you with the horse and give you professional advice (but not the legal type,sorry!)
 
Having been involved with a legal case re a horse myself I would think it extremely unlikely you could mount a case against the previous owner because of the time involved between the sale of the horse to you and now. You have to be able to PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt and with a 2 year gap I think any lawyer would find loop holes all over the place. Unless you have a signed statement from the previous owener stating that they had NEVER known the horse to rear, then unfortunately I'd forget it. Altho you have something to say no vices, unless it specifically mentions rearing I'd be dubious.If it was a few days since you purchased th horse you might have had a case but 2 years is a long time! I'd personally have the horse's back checked by a really good horse vet ( some back "specialists" are a bit iffy IMO) to see if there could be a spine problem. Good luck.
 
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Sorry to hear about the rearing, it's a very dangerous habit.

Regarding the previous owner, I would understand by 'vices' the stable vices such as cribbing, wind sucking, etc. which are declarable at the time of a vetting, NOT rearing. Rearing is a behavioural, physical or training problem, not a vice. By all means talk to a solicitor but unless you asked "Does he rear?" I don't think a private seller was obliged to disclose this. Rubbish, I know, but buyer beware unfortunately.

As for the rearing itself, have you looked for a physical cause? I think you are better off trying to find out why the horse is rearing and whether it can be cured than spending time and money on the previous owner.
 
Thanx all for info.

He has had a full body scan and has no other problems, his saddle is checked every 4 months his back is done every eight weeks witht the rest and teeth are done every 5-6 months.

This lady stated in front of two other people he does not do any thing wrong the advert quite clearly states 100% in every way .

I have only found out about the preivous owner in the last two weeks and now i know i have been lied to. I dont even want my money back i want her to be punished for selling someone a horse she knew is dangerous for a 14 year old to ride...
 
I can totally understand how you feel but honestly having "been there" under different circumstances I strongly recommend you do not go down the litigation route. The old saying about NOT going to court on emotion is very true. I spent over £3000 just to get to the stage of being told I had very little chance in court and had to give up as I couldn't afford to loose! Unless you have serious amounts of money which you don't mind possibly saying bye bye I would chalk it down to experience. Maybe spend any spare cash finding a really good professional rider to try and sort the problem and help the rider. However this is a dangerous situation possibly and the horse would appear to have learnt he can rear to avoid doing what is being asked of him. I tried helping someone who had a mare who reared dangerously, despite all effort and risking my neck ONCE! she had too many bad memories from abuse in the past and regrettably she was retired from being ridden. It is difficult I know but can you justify someone getting really badly hurt by continuing to try and sort the problem out? If only horse could talk!
 
From what I've read shes fraudulently misrepresented the horse to have no vices. I'd get a solicitor because I definitely think you have a case there.
 
Since you have done all you can to ensure there is no physical cause for this, have you considered putting him forwards for a Monty Roberts demonstration? Monty's visiting the UK in February for 3 dates, you can find out more info at www.intelligenthorsemanship.co.uk. If you are interested in putting your horse forward for use in a demonstration, give the IH office a call.
 
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