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Froggie

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I've just joined the forum in desparate need for advice as I have no idea what to do
I sold a pony 2 weeks ago she was the most loving kind pony going super safe to handle my 5 year old used to groom her ride her no problems
The new owners have rung me up demanding that I take the pony back cause it's danergous shocked to the Cor I went down there that day and found the pony fine to handle and groom they where saying she was kicking they they couldn't groom her
Now the pony had a 5 stage vetting and passed but was noted she being a cob had scabby legs and happily they still brought her
Since having her they have had a new vet look who is treating her legs with frontline and since then the pony doesn't like having her legs touched and is getting very agitated about them picking scabs and the condition has worsened in there care
Now they are saying that the pony will forever suffer with scabby legs and yes being A cob she will but are saying she is not fit for perpose and I have to take her back
She is the first pony I have sold however I did buy her as a project for the winter while my mare was out of work so they said I sold her in the course of business and they have 28 days to return her to get there money back !
I just really don't know where I stand I did every thing right they came down and tried her 3 times and had a full stage vetting and was happy and now not
I have spent the money on paying for my horse to have an op that she needed so am not in the position to pay them back but should I ?
Surely if this is a condition that now makes this pony totally unsuitable for children to be around surely the vet who vetted her is at fault not me ?
Also need to add the vet at the vetting did ask for us to clip the ponys legs off so it would be easier for them to treat her legs now they are saying I kept the feathers on to hide the scabs
I've got nothing to hide I've been 100% trueful just could really do with some advice please on where I stand if need be I will get a loan and buy the pony back as will be cheaper than. The court case they are threatening me with
Thank you
 
The frontline should clear it up. I have no idea why they are picking off the scabs which is probably painful and upsetting the pony. As she was vetted and the condition noted, it can't be said that you were hiding anything. Poor pony.
I hope they develop a bit more care and concern for her.
 
This is what I've tried to say to them stop picking at her legs eery time you see her ad she won't be so up set she was fine with me touching her legs but when they went to she did stamp her foot up but they did pick at the leg !
This is what I just don't get they are say that the pony is danergous because she doesn't like them treating the scabs
 
The pony passed a 5-stage vetting - the scabby legs were pointed out by the vet and the purchasers decided to proceed anyway. The pony did not have any behavioural problems before or at the time of sale - why should you have to buy back a pony that now has behavioural problems because of lack of appropriate care and/or handling by the new (inexperienced?) owners? They're trying it on. Suggest you talk to a solicitor who specialises in equine law, the BHS have a legal helpline for members or maybe the Citizens Advice will be able to help.
 
That's exactly how I feel why should I buy her back when it's there fault she has gone like this I've said to them just leave the legs alone spray them with frontline and just leave them stop picking and rubbing garlic into them !
They are inexperienced and are getting help from lots of people at the yard
And I can see there side of the story in the fact she is now being defensive about picking her legs up and no may be best not let the kids wash her legs
But I can't see how it's my fault she was fine when I had her and was fine when they came and groomed her and the kids picked out her feet
I have rung the BHS waiting for the reply
But I can't afford to take them to court particually when they told me they are lucky enough to have an entire legal team that works for them
 
Don't be bullied by them. Are you a member of the BHS? If so, they will give you free legal advice. My only concern would be for the welfare of the pony. If the new owners have already caused problems, are they really capable of looking after her properly??? Would it be kinder to take the pony back for its' own sake?
 
I am a member of the BHS I have rung there legal team and left a message if they haven't rung back by tomorrow I will ring them again

Do they have a leg to stand on if I am classed as a dealer ?

I do feel bad for the pony cause honestly she was the sweetest pony ever and she quivered when I went to touch her poor girl
But I have given up her stable and spent all the money :( to get my horse better
 
I sold a horse about 7 years ago
I do work with horses but as a groom I don't produce horses
But they said cause I sold her in the cause if business to make a profit I'm a dealer
Was as a one off geez will never do it again lol
 
Froggie said:
I sold a horse about 7 years ago
I do work with horses but as a groom I don't produce horses
But they said cause I sold her in the cause if business to make a profit I'm a dealer
Was as a one off geez will never do it again lol
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I can ensure you your not a dealer just cause you sold one horse. No different to selling a car. They sound like they haven't got a clue. Was a vet of their choice that did the vetting?
 
Yes but they are saying cause I sold her to make a profit that I am a dealer and I have to give the money back and take the pony
Yes it was there vet that vetted her
However they are using a different vet now who is saying the pony should never of passed a vetting with scabby legs
And please can I stress they really are not that bad I've seen worst
 
Froggie said:
I sold a horse about 7 years ago
I do work with horses but as a groom I don't produce horses
But they said cause I sold her in the cause if business to make a profit I'm a dealer
Was as a one off geez will never do it again lol
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I don't think selling one horse in seven years qualifies you as a dealer. You work as a groom, that is your job, selling the very occasional horse is not your living. As suggested I would have a word with the bhs.
 
So it isn't my fault
And I'm not a dealer they did know the pony had scabs the vetting showed it up and they decided to still buy

This is the message they sent me
And it kinda gives the impression they didn't know but they did the vetting picked it up
Please do speak to *****. He treats other horses with this condition who become aggressive because the legs never properly heal. Scabs just split open and re infect. It's not mites. This pony not suitable for handling by children due to this sensitivity. They cannot know when it has flared up and might touch it by accident. This is a pre excisting condition that has nothing to do with the way we are treating it , it's a life long condition that can not be cured and will continue to flare up over time making her danergous .I feel very sad and so do the kids because this was not what we thought we were buying and by buying from you, we hoped to avoid exactly this kind of situation.please feel free to talk to the vet your self but this will not change the situation that the pony is not fit for purpose
 
I did say that to them twiggy but they said because the pony had feathers on at time of vetting the vet couldn't of seen them but the vet did feel all her legs and commented that she had a few sore scabby bits
 
Froggie said:
I did say that to them twiggy but they said because the pony had feathers on at time of vetting the vet couldn't of seen them but the vet did feel all her legs and commented that she had a few sore scabby bits
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I've never herd such bullshite. They should sue the vet if not done vetting probably and if they thought that at the time they should of either;
a) got 2nd vetting from another vet
b) not brought pony
 
Froggie said:
Yes but they are saying cause I sold her to make a profit that I am a dealer and I have to give the money back and take the pony
Yes it was there vet that vetted her
However they are using a different vet now who is saying the pony should never of passed a vetting with scabby legs
And please can I stress they really are not that bad I've seen worst
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Whether you made a profit or not is totally irrelevant, you are not dealing if this is the only sale in 7 years, plenty of people buy and sell, make some profit and are not counted as dealers, it should be easy to prove that you are not dealing if they choose to take this further.

The change of vet may be something to do with it, the original one will possibly have been less aggressive with treating the scabs and they may think not enough was done so changed to another who has, in my view, wrongly said it should have failed the vetting, I cannot see that a few scabs would make it unfit for purpose but aggressive treatment possibly has. They are also likely to be uninsured as it is ongoing, this may be part of the issue but either way they bought the pony, it passed the original vetting and the behaviour is down to her being treated inappropriately from the sound of things they have bombarded her with various things and upset her when she has hardly had time to settle.

If they have a complaint it is with the vet that passed her, luckily he was their vet so totally unbiased, I think you need to ask them to take it back to him, he may also back you up if they are getting difficult with the whole situation, he will have insurance to cover such things and legal advice freely available if required.
 
Froggie said:
I did say that to them twiggy but they said because the pony had feathers on at time of vetting the vet couldn't of seen them but the vet did feel all her legs and commented that she had a few sore scabby bits
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people do not clip the legs of hairy horses routinely for vettings, did the vet mention the scabs on the report?
 
Poor pony. Regardless of the rights or wrongs of the sale, the owners are not competent enough to deal with the pony and don't want her.
I'd get the poor thing back home, sort it out and only sell to people who know what they're doing.
 
Sounds like the "help" they get from the yard has really been ineffective and wound them up like crazy, which is a shame. Ooh, I can just imagine the gossip and the drama, as well as the attention, which is why I dislike livery.

I'd get the poor thing back home too, the horsey world is small and your rep will go downhill quickly otherwise. Chalk it up to experience, you win some, you loose some ....
 
You've done nothing wrong.
Horse passed vettting, scabs were noticed and they proceeded with sale.
They then treated issues, now horse has behavioural problems due to their bad managemnt and handling of horse.

For the sake of the horse i would take it back, treat legs then sell to a nice home, people that know how to treat this problem and understand horse is misbehaving because it is in pain as they keep picking at her legs!
 
Achinghips said:
I'd get the poor thing back home too, the horsey world is small and your rep will go downhill quickly otherwise.
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Why would the OP's reputation be adversely affected? She's been completely honest, the horse was open to vetting and passed. The OP shouldn't have to buy back a horse - especially as stated this would involve having to take out a loan - because the new owners have decided they don't want it after all.

OP, I very much doubt the new owners' vet has said the horse shouldn't have passed the vetting, it's very unusual for one vet to openly criticise another like that. I wouldn't get into any more dialogue with them/their new vet, just refer them to your solicitor.
 
Thank you buddy's mum
This whole thing is driving me mad cause I just don't see how I am at fault
My friend has offered that if I get the pony back she can live there for a while and work on the riding school untill I can sell her again
But am a bit annoyed if I'm honest and now got to the point as to why should I take her back I was thinking of offering to try sell her for them that way I wouldn't have to get a bank loan to pay them
What do you guys think ?
Also was tempted to ring the vet who vetted her and ask for her advice
 
I'd be tempted to write to them, either direct or through a solicitor, and refer them to the vets report (not sure if you have been given a copy, I have had 2 vets pass a copy to the seller/owner where there has been a mention of something, or a failure, but one other not pass anything on) and see what happens. If it is mites then even after a dose of frontline can take a little while to clear, yes mud fever can be something that is never rid of, but I would've hoped their vet would've explained the issues or management surrounding that. And frankly, rubbing garlic into skin, let alone broken and damaged skin is enough to make a horse (or human) sore so no wonder she is being difficult!
 
I had never heard of rubbing garlic into to sores before but the yard there at the owner insists on it
I said I think may be its the treatment that is making her sore but they assure me it's not !
 
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