Advice of Vet or Mole Valley Farmers?

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after consulting my vet regarding worming for a new pony he recommended Equest Promax.
so armed with my info off I trot to mole valley as I needed some other bits, the very helpful (or unhelpful) worming assistant told me she didnt advise me using Equest as with an unknown worming history especially if they have a large burden it can cause bad Colic because it is so strong.
So I ended up coming away with a 5 day panacur!
should I have stuck to my guns and brought the one the vet recommended or is the Panacur safer? previous pony who I wormed with Panacur went on to get colic but think this was more teeth issues than wormer?

thank you muchly

kate
 
I think she is right, I have not had problems with Pramox but know of quite a few colics after using it.

Do you suspect a worm burden? Of the two I would go with the 5 day panacur myself.
 
Havent seen any signs of worms at all, was going to do an egg count but it doesnt pick up on pin worm or redworm so wanted to worm first, then do a count in a few months, also then worm for tapeworm, his companion who I have also offered to worm as he isnt ours hasnt been wormed for years, he has been kept on his own with daily poo picking.
I was led to believe that they didnt have to be with company to pick up worms?
its all so confusing
 
neither is really wrong, though if you are doing a 5 day panacur it would be best to worm for tapes too at the end of the course.
 
I agree with Mole Valley. Panacur is safer in a pony with unknown worming history. The best things would be to worm count before and after, to see if it's been effective.
 
I go with the vet advice - too much resistnace with panacur for encysted small redworm. Any worming product will cause colic in a horse if it has a high burden (and the wormer works!) if it has a high burden and the wormer does not work (i,e, it has a mild effect!) it proabably won't cause colic because it hasn't killed the worms.
 
yes but because the 5 day guard works over a slower period of time the risk of colic seems to be reduced. In some ways it is a shame it is this time of year because if they do happen to be resistant and you don't clear them you are risking colic anyway with the spring emergence of the encysted red worm, if it was a different time of year you would have more time.
 
Unless the vet is worrying about panacur resistance and thinks its common in the area .
It's quite common round here thankfully we have no issues on our fields .
 
Would have gone with vets advice. Unless your horse was actively losing weight or scouring I would start with an equest pramox. Only if your horse was showing the above signs this time of year would I use Panacur first (which would be followed up 2-4 weeks later with equest anyway). As it stands, your horse has not yet been treated for tapeworm which hold a significantly higher colic risk than the actual pramox dose does.
 
I will never ever ever ever use Pramox again :mad:
I lost my mare last year to colic within 24 hours of her having Pramox. Whilst we were struggling to keep her alive I asked the vet if it was likely to be the wormer and she shrugged her shoulders and said 'No it is highly unlikely'.
A while afterwards I carried out my own research on the internet to find that it is far too common. Obviously it remains unproven but I would never take a risk with such a harsh wormer again.
Last time I used Panacur 5 day.
 
Ideally you should have done a worm count.
They won't show all worms but will show a high burden which could cause problems.

A lot of horses are becoming immune to the panacure 5 day.

My horse had high worm counts last year so he was given steroids over 5days and I wormed on day 3.
This was to help prevent colic.
 
I don't think a worm count would have made any difference to the wormer used in this instance, as the OP would need to worm for encysted red worm before spring anyway. (and conclusions drawn from a single count have lots of inherent problems)

No horses are becoming immune to panacur guard, some worms have developed resistance.

OP I would probably consider doing an equest dose 2-3 weeks after the panacur to clear any resistant ******s :)
 
I'm sure that horses would become immune to most wormer if they are used on a regular basis. I have only used Panacur 5 day the once mainly as it also treats pinworm which many don't. Generally speaking I alternate between several types of wormer depending on the time of year (strongid, eqvalan etc) but I now know that Pramox is indeed very harsh regardless as to whether or not there is a high worm infestation.
 
no, my point was that it is a commonly used phrase but it is the worms that have the resistance (in the horse and on the pasture) not the horse. The adverse reactions seen from say equest are usually due to the effect of the chemical on the worms, it doesn't really 'do' anything to the horse.
 
My vet advised both. I wormed new horse (18 month old colt) with Panacur and he was passing lots of dead redworm, I mentioned it to the vet when he came out to geld the horse and he said to give him Pramox on the sixth day. :eek:

Poor sod was wormed with Panacur and Pramox and gelded AND started his vaccinations, all within two weeks. The event lines have now grown out of his feet. :eek::)

It was a risk and I wasn't entirely comfortable with it, but he'd been checked over and the vet was happy, so.....
 
No she is absolutely right you can equest pramox at end of april which will kill tape worm and you would have already killed the bulk of other nasties with the panacur.
 
CMMB said:
I go with the vet advice - too much resistnace with panacur for encysted small redworm. Any worming product will cause colic in a horse if it has a high burden (and the wormer works!) if it has a high burden and the wormer does not work (i,e, it has a mild effect!) it proabably won't cause colic because it hasn't killed the worms.
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My vet actually suggests a combInation of both, pancur for five days and equestrian back to back... To ensure you get the critters:p
 
My daughter's pony had terrible impaction colic the same day he was wormed with Pramox. Had to be hospitalised. The other 5 he lived with were fine with the Pramox.
 
If you do not know your horses worming history then worm first with panacur as it is gentler, equest could cause colic if the horse has a large worm burden, this will be as equest does such a good job the worms will be killed in large quantities so would be leaving the body, hence colic could occur.
 
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