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hi all- ill just start by apologising for the bareness of this message as i joined about an hour ago and am fairly lost as to how to work it, but in short i wanted to join for peoples advice and opinions on choosing a stallion....

I have made the decision to cover my special mare, as much as i love her as my riding horse i have always dreamed of owning a coloured sportshorse. As this is going to be a one off breeding from her i feel it incredibly important i am 100 % confident with the stallion i go with.

Ella is 15.3 dutch warmblood x clysedale, middleweight. she has good conformation but when asessed was told her legs were a little bit too short so am looking to affluent that attribute of her. She is a maiden mare so a bit wary on how high to go stallion wise for her first foal.

As i said i would love to breed a coloured sportshorse, and as this would be a one off breeding i would ideally like dad to be homozygous however if he was exceptional i would consider non homozygous, also would like foal to hit at list 16.1 so would like stallion to influence height. Obviously breeding needs to be taken into consideration so any opinions on that would be greatly recieved, (can submit ellas breeding on request).

Would greatly appreciate peoples thoughts and views on stallions who they recommend or maybe have/know stock off, thankyou very much for reading! any questions please ask! p.s hope ive done this right!! :)
 
Few more questions for you, are you looking to aim the foal at any particular discipline, and any other areas of your mare you'd like to improve on, and what would be the things about your mare you'd most like to retain. Also what is her Dutch parentage as a lot of the coloured sporthorses have Dutch bloodlines too

There are some very nice homozygous stallions available, but some of my favourite ones I would not consider would add length of leg to the offspring.
 
in response to volatis, i would like the foal to eventually event, as thats my main forte, i would like to keep the tempermant and trainable attributes of my mare, i would like to improve the movement as she is quite a short strider with more rolling strides if that makes sense, she is by gibside mr chips who is olympic ahorn, nimmerdor lines, agree with your length of leg comment, im losing hope in that aspect!
 
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hi sorry im desperately trying to put some pictures on but failing! it says add the picture url which im doing and just leaves a code instead of a picture!x
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This may not be the answer you want, but in all honesty, if you want to breed an eventer you HAVE to add some blood into your mare. I would not be considering anything other than a full TB. Which takes the colour out of the equation - however nice it would be to have some colour, it really should be bottom of your list after improving on the mare, and producing an animal which will have a long and useful working life.

Weston Justice is a graded TB stallion, an advanced eventer himself, and is by Criminal Law. I have a Criminal Law mare myself and in my experience, you do tend to get some legginess from these genes.
 
Thanks for the links stelzar, i have looked at phanten and airborn before and like them both, prefer phanten but airborn is the homozygous so not sure, does anyone have stock off either boys? When i said i would like to breed a horse for eventing, i mean that in the sense as i enjoy eventing the best of all the disciplines ,however i compete in showjumping, dressage etc so just ideally want to breed something capable of excelling in all three different phases :)
 
I would agree with Touchwood that if you want to breed a serious eventer, then you will need to use a blood type horse. If you want something to have fun with and just stick to unaffialited and the lower levels of eventings then as long as you choose a modern type of stallion with a bold jump, it wont matter if the resulting foal lacks a little blood and quality needed for higher levels.

There is a coloured Trakehner stallion in Germany who evented (went to the Bundeschampionate) and has thrown some nice foals (includuing premium graded daughters) and has offspring starting to event as well/ He does need a mare with a correct foreleg as he is a little straight in front but super temperament and very good canter in particular. Only heterozygous though, Camaro -http://www.inselgestuet-christiansen.de/camaro.html

He also has a homozygous son standing in Germany - Chess M, but I have never seen him or his offspring but I think some UK breeders have used him
 
Do you definately want a coloured or would you like a spotted (coloured) the breeder I bought off is very knowledgeable and specializes in breeding unusual coloured sports horses, let me know if you would like to get in touch with her, this is one of the foals she has produced, which is both very pretty and has really good conformation and bone.

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This is a Vangelis foal below, but the colouring and markings are loverly

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Sempers Spirit as yet. He is WB but very blood in that he is closely related to Sandro...only 2 generations back. I myself had a foal by him this year out of a Welsh D mare and the resulting foal is better than I could have ever thought to ask for! She is set to make a decent 16.2 (dam only 15.2) and her movement, boldness and quality are superb. She was enetered in this year's futurity but I had to withdraw as I broke my back but she will be going next year and I also intend on using the stallion again.

This is my filly.
http://equinoxsporthorses.yolasite.com/sempers-sapphire.php

As regards Airborn and Phanten....nice stallions but for your mare I would definitely say way too heavy - especially if you are trying to breed an eventer. My filly's dam went to Phanten a few years ago and the filly is HUGE and quite heavily boned, whereas all her foals otherwise....by Alderfarn VII and Sempers Spirit have been lovely and refined.
 
magic104 said:
Well there is http://www.angrovestud.com/ who posts on here & her stallion is homozygoused. You may or may not get the markings from I was Framed http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?d=i+was+framed&x=22&y=6 he is unproven so you may get the markings but not the performance.
I think this one will be too heavy for your mare (to produce an eventer) Warlord http://www.oso-stud.co.uk/
http://www.sporting-horse.co.uk/SempersSpirit.htm again not enough blood but would give colour.
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Thank you Magic very kind of you to think of us!
We specialise in Coloured TB breeding not many of us about I was framed has gone to france, our stallion Ricco is a 3/4 TB 1/4 ID type he stands just abouve 16.2hh and has long legs and movement he was choosen by Eventing World wide to be on there web site as his bloodlines and connected to some Advanced Event horses.
Ricco has had 2 offspring at Bramham placed as yearlings and two year olds out of classes 40 +
We do in deed have a 7/8ths TB but he is only 15.2hh Angrove Spotted Dick
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he is very rare as he is the only Grandson of Sarahs Pride Showjumper and avan high jump winner

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then we have Ricco his sire
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Ricco progeny
his racehorse son out of a sprinter 15.2 and tiny.
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This boy is out of a coloured PBA.
we are in North Yorks if you get chance to come and have a look please PM me, Heather
 
I would have no hesitation in using one of Jill Webb's stallions. I have two mares by Phanten, a filly by Charlton Checkmate and I have also bred a filly by the late Appledore Marengo. So I know what her stallions will produce. I will be using Airborn next Spring to hopefully breed a versatile sports horse. Shovern Stud offer a really professional service. I would unhesitatingly recommend them. Shovern Stud is a great set up and the stallions are well looked after, happy and relaxed. The horses I have bred, especially the Phanten offspring are all really nice sports horses. They are all young still but have exciting futures ahead of them. None of them are heavy but elegant, good moving with good confirmation and wonderful trainable temperaments.

http://www.shovernstud.co.uk

Good luck!
 
Magic 104 - I saw that after I posted....ooops. He actually does have quite a bit of blood close up though as his sire Semper is a direct son of the TBx Sandro, son of Sacaramento Song, making him more blood than the likes of Sandro Hit, etc and my filly, considering her dam is Welsh certainly has inherited the blood.
 
As somebody else has mentioned, there is Chess M, who looks to be very classy. If you go on the gestuet-falkenhorst website I think there is a pic of at least one foal by him.

As far as I'm aware there's no relationship between the amount markings are expressed on the dam/sire to how it will be expressed on the foal e.g. minimally/maximally. Some other genes do seem to factor in, e.g. if one carries splash.

Realistically, to get any colour, your only security is to use something homozygous, then there's no telling how the foals markings will turn out!
 
oh gosh thankyou all for your responses! im still as undecisive as ever and as soon as i feel set on one i find reasons not to use him! also your filly is gorgeous! does anybody have any opinions on glenhill gold as quite like the look of him also but dont know a lot about him?x
 
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