2beagles
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I currently rent a livery yard with no contract ive been there for 6 years the owner wishes to sell and ive given my liverys a 2 year contract sone have 18 months left where do i stand please any advice tia
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be positive
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Bumping this up for you as I have no real idea where you stand but would question why you gave your liveries a 2 year contract when you do not have one in place for your own rent, most liveries have a 1 month contract, 2 years seems excessive especially as you had no way of ensuring you could honour it, it may well come down to the goodwill of your liveries to stay while the property is put on the market and sold but you may find they leave as soon as they can find alternative livery rather than stay to try and enforce something that you probably had no right to give them.
Shay
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You need to get legal advice. Much may depend on the wording of your contracts which will affect whether or not the liveries have sitting tenant rights - or indeed you do - or if they have a claim against you for livery fees for the balance of their contract. Although potentially the contract could be said to have been legally frustrated. This has the potential to be very expensive for you so you need to get formal legal advice - not off a forum! - ASAP before you speak to liveries.
2beagles
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thankyou for the advice.it might not sell but if were given 2 weeks notice 9 horses and 7 dogs wont have anywhere to go,ive had problems with a livery recently and the police said they didnt have to go as there is a duty of care to the horse!!!!!we are all just going to stay anyway.hes not equine knowledgable and is bowling up with diggers to work on the place without giving any regard to my buisness or horses that may be frightened of the machinary he surly should discuss with me of any maintainance or work that needs to be done,im not happy a for sale signs going to go up either.
MiJodsR2BlinkinTite
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OP...... I'm so sorry, but I'm really not with this.
It is very difficult to understand what you are saying because you are not using easily understandable text or syntax! I really haven't a clue what you're on about TBH. PLEASE would you use intelligible English?? It makes your post very hard to read. Sorry to rant, but it really is very annoying to have to try and read something which has virtually no punctuation or capital letters and is all in one block.
OK, so rant over.......... the only understanding I can fathom is that you have rented a livery yard, with no contract in place, and have been there for six years, during time you've then sub-let to liveries to whom you have given a two-year contract, yes?? And now the owner wants to sell, am I with it so far?? Normally if a contract does exist, it would state categorically that "no sub-letting" is allowed; this is fairly ubiquitous I would suggest.
Don't think you've got a leg to stand on TBH. Your original owner of the yard may not be exactly delighted to find out that the yard has been sub-let, so you may be on a very sticky wicket. Sorry to be so discouraging. If you are a BHS member you could ring their helpline to see where you stand tho'.
Does the original owner know that you've been sub-letting?
It is very difficult to understand what you are saying because you are not using easily understandable text or syntax! I really haven't a clue what you're on about TBH. PLEASE would you use intelligible English?? It makes your post very hard to read. Sorry to rant, but it really is very annoying to have to try and read something which has virtually no punctuation or capital letters and is all in one block.
OK, so rant over.......... the only understanding I can fathom is that you have rented a livery yard, with no contract in place, and have been there for six years, during time you've then sub-let to liveries to whom you have given a two-year contract, yes?? And now the owner wants to sell, am I with it so far?? Normally if a contract does exist, it would state categorically that "no sub-letting" is allowed; this is fairly ubiquitous I would suggest.
Don't think you've got a leg to stand on TBH. Your original owner of the yard may not be exactly delighted to find out that the yard has been sub-let, so you may be on a very sticky wicket. Sorry to be so discouraging. If you are a BHS member you could ring their helpline to see where you stand tho'.
Does the original owner know that you've been sub-letting?
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2beagles
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oh im really sorry to offend with the wording etc i have autism and dyspraxia and dyslexia took me 30 minutes to write the reply 
catroo
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You can't complain about the for sale signs going up, it's his land and his decision. You really need to get proper legal advice but I suspect the law isn't on your side and if that's the case he can evict you whether you want to go or not.
sarahw123
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oh im really sorry to offend with the wording etc i have autism and dyspraxia and dyslexia took me 30 minutes to write the reply
Hi OP, I understood your post just fine, don't worry.
I think you may need to contact someone with legal standing for advise on this one. The owner has a right to be on their land and/or sell. Not sure where you stand with regards to your liveries, sorry I can't be of more help. Even if you had a contract, they would have the right to sell at the end of the term. Please get legal advise and always have a contract in future, although I'm sure you already know this. Good luck.
catroo
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WelshD
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Are you running it as a business? if you are in anyway not 100% squeeky clean with regards to rates, insurance etc I would get your head down and start trying to help your liveries move, if you seek advice this is bound to be asked
Does the owner know you are running it as a livery yard and that you have given the liveries 2 year contracts? on what basis was this agreed? do you even have a verbal contract with him or even proof he knows about the livery's 2 year contracts (anything that may help you back up your case)
Do you have any assured tenancy agreed with him even if verbal? any emails/texts?
How often do you pay your rent? was there an agreed notice period? if not it usually would go with how often you pay your rent so you'd kind of expect a months notice
I really think potentially you are on dodgy ground if you knew you had no contract yet offered your liveries 2 year contracts
I am guessing your liveries realise what has happened? if they are not blaming you and not demanding you stick with your two year agreement (and I don't see how you can) then I would thank my lucky stars, help them find alternative livery yards and quit while you are ahead and be wiser next time
I cant honestly see what sitting tight longer term will achieve but agree that the yard owner decently should allow you time to move
Does the owner know you are running it as a livery yard and that you have given the liveries 2 year contracts? on what basis was this agreed? do you even have a verbal contract with him or even proof he knows about the livery's 2 year contracts (anything that may help you back up your case)
Do you have any assured tenancy agreed with him even if verbal? any emails/texts?
How often do you pay your rent? was there an agreed notice period? if not it usually would go with how often you pay your rent so you'd kind of expect a months notice
I really think potentially you are on dodgy ground if you knew you had no contract yet offered your liveries 2 year contracts
I am guessing your liveries realise what has happened? if they are not blaming you and not demanding you stick with your two year agreement (and I don't see how you can) then I would thank my lucky stars, help them find alternative livery yards and quit while you are ahead and be wiser next time
I cant honestly see what sitting tight longer term will achieve but agree that the yard owner decently should allow you time to move
MiJodsR2BlinkinTite
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oh im really sorry to offend with the wording etc i have autism and dyspraxia and dyslexia took me 30 minutes to write the reply
OK........ thanks for the information. It was not my intention to offend in any way.
OWLIE185
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You are probably going to need to seek specialist advice from a specialist Equine Solicitor who understands commercial law and commercial and possible agricultural leases.
I would suggest that as you have been there for six years that you have established a lease under the 'Landlord and Tenants Act 1954' (as amended) and that you have certain rights under that law.
Do not talk to your landlord until you have obtained legal advice.
Good luck!
I would suggest that as you have been there for six years that you have established a lease under the 'Landlord and Tenants Act 1954' (as amended) and that you have certain rights under that law.
Do not talk to your landlord until you have obtained legal advice.
Good luck!