Advice on next steps with a 4 and a 1/2 year old Connemara

Cubbini

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Hi all,

I wondered what your suggestions would be on next steps with a 4 and a 1/2 year old Connemara mare.

She's a laid back character, very much more woah than go type, non-spooky, not marish. She has always been extremely food orientated. We have had a brilliant 6 months and great summer, taking things slowly, riding approx 2 to 4 days a week (hacking and light schooling etc). She's been fantastic to take out twice to two arena hires this summer behaving brilliantly both times (wanted to show her the world a little bit this year). She has a lazy character (which people on the yard joke about including my trainer) etc. This has not been a negative for me as she has not been sharp at all and as I am now on the slightly older side it's actually been quite nice!

My question is what would you now do at this stage? Her behaviour has negatively changed recently (in the last 3 weeks). She has become nappy hacking (every time) and grumpy in the school. Also she has had me off twice in the school in the last two weeks after 15 mins of very light work. As mentioned, given my age, this is not something I can continue with as a regular occurrence. The first time was due to bucking and the second time she bolted. This has all coincided with the yard changing their routine for the winter 3 weeks ago, which is most likely contributing, and she is even more food orientated and lazy than before (which I didn't think possible!) and now always appears desperately hungry and wanting to go to her stable when I bring her in from the field. Her routine has now changed to being stabled from 2pm - 7am, and turnout 7am - 2pm (she was previously stabled in the day and out overnight). She is in the same field but with less turnout time as mentioned and her hard food has stayed the same, she is a good doer (hay in stable and small feed of chaff and nuts, morning and afternoon).

I am thinking there could be multiple reasons for the ridden behaviour change, routine change, freshness due to less turnout, less grass grazing and more hay, stomach/digestive changes, time of year, warm then cold weather we are having and lots of rain, winter coat/growth, boredom with routine change or ridden?, work sour, she needs time to process what we've done this summer and is asking to slow down/for time off, and/or ultimately a young horse having young horse moments etc. On the ground she is currently as good as ever without any behaviour change and good with ground work (just lazy still).

Considering her age and that we are coming into winter etc I am thinking of turning her away and then bringing her back into work next spring. However the expectation of the yard/trainer is that I shouldn't do this and 'straighten' this out now.

Thanks for reading this and for any suggestions/advice that you feel may help.
 

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My first thought from what you've written is to consider the possibility of ulcers, though many other things could cause the issues you've had with the change in her routine.

Is there much grass in her field, and is she out with others? The desperation to eat and not wanting to go forwards are the two things which stand out the most for me.
 

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Can you turn her away properly, IE out 24/7 in company? I wouldn’t try to ‘turn her away' but keep her in the current routine- 17 hours per day stood in a small box could well be the reason for her behavior changes, but it also might be worth getting some veterinary intervention now as she's shouting quite loudly that something is wrong.
 

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In my experience Connemaras can be a confusing breed, especially when they’re young. They tend to seem the “old head on young shoulders” type, but physically don’t really come into their own until 8/9 and often do have a “teenage phase”, and they are prone to hock problems at a younger age. If they come out of their growing up fine they are absolutely fabulous ponies, but I’d prefer to rule out any physical issues before either straightening it out or turning her away; they’re not always the never a dull day safe as houses kids ponies they’re made out to be.

She has had a significant routine change and they do grow thick winter coats so will be lethargic at this time of year with it changing, so I wouldn’t be too worried yet. As @TheMule says, if you can turn her away for the winter out 24/7 it may give her some more time to grow up, and in the meantime consider a full vet work up, keep in mind the potential hock issues.

She’s still young and you’ll have plenty of time to straighten out any issues once she’s physically stronger and you’re not fighting for daylight hours.
 
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I prefer everything to live out, however appreciate it isn't always a possibility.

That said, a four year old is still so immature and I really wouldn't want to see them contained to a box for such a long period.

With an older horse you can plow them into hard work, making it manageable, but that just isn't an option with a 4yo. Well, I wouldn't do it personally.

Is there no way you can move her onto 24/7 grazing? Or at least a yard with the same set up that she was on previously? It would quickly answer your question if she settles back down again.
 

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I am an avid fan of giving the youngsters time.
I would be surprised if you could "straighten this out" when there is such a long list of potential contributors - some of which you can't control (i.e. amount of turnout)

A young horse going from 17 hours turn out to only 7 is massive.

The benefits of finding somewhere for her to be on 24/7 turnout over the winter are huge and include giving her time to relax from whatever has upset her, grow a bit, work out any soreness. and the risks are so low (can't even think of any downside other than maybe the risk you loose your spot on the livery yard)

My 5.5 y/o at the time started to buck going into canter - when I really took a long hard look at him, he had grown again and was about 1 inch bum high. I had physo out and she observed everything was tight in front as he was suddenly uneven and front heavy. I gave him 5 months off with out an arguing about bucking, and he came back into work as if it had ever happened.

You could spend a lot of time and £'s on 'fixing' her behavior and causing stress for both of you, whereas time could well do the job for you.
 

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Sounds similar to my 4 1/2 year old! She was started under saddle in February and was doing brilliantly with light hacking and occasional light schooling in arena. She suddenly started bucking under saddle and as she had muscled up and also put on weight, it was too narrow and sliding forwards. Had it adjusted (widened) and was fine for a few weeks but after going in the arena, she didn’t seem comfortable again and saddle had slipped forward slightly! I’ve decided to just walk her out in hand on hacks, long rein her in arena and then get saddle sorted properly in Spring. She is Irish Draught x Welsh and ginger and still bum high. I’m in no rush with her so she can have a chilled Winter. I’m lucky as I have a 5 acre field so mine stay out 24/7 most of the year and if in then still get 12 hours turn out at least. Mine is quite food orientated too but always has 10 mins or so munching on hay before doing anything.
 
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