Advice on Paperwork Needed to Register Foal

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A friend has a very nice foal by a well-known stallion and is wanting to register the foal with either the SHBGB or the AES, but they have only received a handwritten covering certificate from the semen agent with just the mare details on, and I think even the date or the year is incorrect and its not from any recognised studbook but is just homemade.

This is really a shocking example in my view but they seem to have given up trying after very numerous attempts to get a proper covering certificate so am I right to say to them that they will now have to get DNA evidence before they can register the foal?
 
Is the stallion graded with a studbook - as opposed to which studbook he is papered with. In simpler terms has he actually been to a stallion grading with the AES or similar? It should say on his studcard, or website if he has one. There should be a registration number for the stallion on the covering cert.
 
Off the top of my head, I think SHB(GB) require DNA to prove parentage in any foal conceived by AI anyway. I'd give them a ring as they are very helpful and will tell her what she needs to do.

Are the stallion and/or mare graded with the SHB? If not then the foal may only be eligible for a basic identity passport anyway.
 
Are you saying as it's not very clear in your post, that the CC hasn't even got the name of the stallion or stud on it at all or even any covering dates, anything? If that's so, it's completely ludicrous and incredibly tatty of whoever issued it. You'd think they didn't want their stallion credited at all if it can't be verified which is what will happen, it'll only be allowed a basic ID passport and if that's so, begs the question, what are they trying to hide as eggs is eggs, something odd is going on there?
Never, in all my years, have I ever known a stallion owner who doesn't want to shout it from the rooftops about their stock in the hope of attracting more clients, sounds very dodgy and if I was the mare owner, I would be clamouring for a properly printed society official CC, that scrap of paper they have means absolutely zilch by the sounds of it.
 
I am a bit confused too.

From what I can understand you are saying that a covering certificate has been sent to a mare owner with :

a) No stallion's name on it.
b) Wrong dates
c) No studbook issuing authority
d) It has been issued by the agent, not the stallion owner

If I understand correctly what you are saying, then that IMHO is fraud, as it is not an official covering certificate and will not allow the breeder to register their foal, the relevant authorities should be informed.

Is the stallion graded and if so, what studbook. Normally the studbook issue the certificates for the owners to complete and send on!!!!!

I hope the person concerned can get their foal registered, it sound like it might be a long hard battle.
 
If the parentage can be proven by DNA, how would the various studbooks react to this? Surely it is proof positive; they couldn't deny registration, could they? I did hear of an issue a couple of years ago where a mare owner had bred "extra" foals from spare doses of semen and had managed to register them despite not paying the stallion owner or having proper covering certs; so do the stud books go with the mare owner here?

Or is there a financial implication here? That the foal has been conceived without payment to the actual owner; that the agent has stolen or split a dose? Is that what you mean by fraud?

Or; with no stallion name on the covering cert- I suppose unless the owners have some sort of written contract with the agent (do they?) there is no proof on paper that the covering was by the right stallion at all; would they have any comeback if the foal turned out to be by a different stallion?

Does the agent still represent the stallion? Is it worth going straight to the owners rather than the agent; or will this cause the owners to ask for a second stud fee if the agent HAS split or stolen a dose?

All questions, I'm afraid; no answers...
 
Your covering certificate should have on it,
Name of mare, her life number, date of birth and colour.
her sire and dam and their life numbers
Name of stallion, his registered studbook and life number
Insemination date
( If ET you also need this info for recip mare together with date of transfer of embryo)
A covering cert can be hand written by the stallion owner ( although all of mine will come on headed paper) If mare is registered with stud book, they will usually get covering cert from that stud book ( but owners have to be registered and have provided info prior to end of Sept in order to avoid extra charges by studbook.
SHGB are extremely helpful, and yes they do need DNA from the stallion if they dont have it on file.
Hope this is helpful!!
 
Hello, I'm back, and many thanks for all your answers - thanks Elite Stallions! From what my friends told me the so-called certificate that they were issued with didn't have any details of the stallion and certainly nothing about registered studbook or his number.

I haven't had a chance to speak to my friends yet but I am sure that they will be really grateful for all the advice, and I may be able to get more details from them then. As far as I know the covering certificate that they got after a lot of chasing the agent didn't carry any details of the stallion and just had the mare details on it so I can't really see how its any use at all. MFH_09, I think that's what they are worried about - that there must be something to hide and that's why the agent wouldn't give them a covering certificate for a very long time and then when they did get one it seems as though its worthless. So its interesting that from what cruiseline is saying they may need to go back and demand an answer on why they haven't been issued with a correct certificate, and to make sure they have not been the victims of any fraud.

I know that the stallion is KWPN but I can't find where he is graded as I have just googled him but no luck.

As I understand it going down the DNA route might be a long and expensive business so I would think they will be very worried about all this. But I will pass on all the advice, and I hope that they will get a better outcome to report.
 
You say the import certificate is available so with a letter from the person who did the insemination and the date a studbook would be resonably satisfied. There were problems with a bankrupt semen importer who did not pay for the semen and two studs wanted money last year from someone. DNA in Germany costs about £20 and since 2002 all foals have been done. The stallions first digits of his UELN reveal the studbook of origin (see UELN webstite) The import certificate will reveal who sent the semen.
 
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