Advice please, about someone wanting to ride my horses

Jenna500

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Could do with a bit of advice please, and apologies as its gonna be long!

Last year, I had a 14 year old girl and her Mum come to me and ask if she could come and make a fuss of my horses sometimes. I said yes, and she’d come down when I was there, cuddle them, groom them, and all was fine. She did have a tendency to go on and on about the horses she’d ridden, that she’d jumped bareback or galloped along the beach, but things didn’t ring true, somehow.

Anyway, after a while she angled to ride. I had been looking for someone to help me out, and although I didn’t believe all the stuff she said, I thought I’d give her the benefit of the doubt. With her Mum’s approval, I popped her on Lui, who’s 16.3 but as bombproof as they come and I can control him with my voice on the lunge if she had any problems.

Well, she nearly fell off – in walk. Lui’s got bouncy paces, but not that bouncy! I got her off straight away and told her she shouldn’t lie about her experience as it was very dangerous. I told her Mum that she needed lessons on a riding school horse.

They went away, came back a few days later, and asked how much I’d charge to give her lessons. I told them that a) I’m not an instructor, b) I don’t have insurance to be an instructor, and c) my horses are not riding school horses.

They went away. Came back and asked how much the insurance was as they’d pay for it. I lost my rag a bit, told them in no uncertain terms that she was not riding my horses, that she needed PROPER LESSONS on a RIDING SCHOOL HORSE.

They went away. Came back and asked how much I’d charge to keep a horse with mine, as ‘someone’ was selling foals for £100 and they were thinking of getting their daughter one. I managed to put them off that idea, but you’re getting the gist.

I’ve seen them a few times over the past few months, they live near my field and pop down when they see me there. Daughter has been having lessons at a riding school – good for her – and they’d always tell me how well she was doing, that she’d started cantering, etc.

Anyway, and on to the dilemma .... I’ve just had two text messages and two phone calls from the mother, asking when I’m going to be riding next as daughter wants to show me ‘what she’s learnt’.

How do I tell them, without being incredibly rude (because they don’t seem to get simple straight talking) that 3 or 4 months of lessons does not a rider make. Lui is very well behaved, yes, but he’s also highly trained and if you give him the wrong signals you’re likely to get something you didn’t anticipate, if you know what I mean!

The other option is to do what I did before, and stick her on Lui on the lunge and prove to her that she’s still not a rider, but then I don’t want to upset him or for her to fall off!

Oh, and none of my other horses are suitable for her – she’s too heavy for my welshie, my anglo arab still has issues we’re working through, and the rest are unbacked youngsters.

Big hot choccy and bacon buttie for anyone who’s got this far without falling asleep or loosing the will to live!
 
Hmm tough question!!

I guess you don't want to put her off riding by keep turning her down but I doubt she's ready after only 3 or 4 months of lessons prob only once a week!!

are you still looking for help? Could you lie and say you've found someone?
 
No, exactly, I'd like to encourage her to keep riding, but my horses aren't the way to do it!

I've been trying to think of excuses - like I've got a sharer (not true, but looking), or maybe I'm getting Lui competition fit and he's too forward going now (sort of true) ... but I'm not sure that'll put them off! They're very persistent ...

I'm avoiding her calls but I know I'll have to talk to her sooner or later, or she'll turn up at the field when I'm down there, probably when I'm just tacking up, knowing my luck!
 
God - they're thick skinned aren't they? I'm afraid it will eventually come down to you putting your foot down and saying No! Don't even think of lungeing her on your horse - if she falls off she could sue you quite easily. It really isn't worth the risk!! I don't envy you tho. xx
 
i know it'd probably be inconvenient to you, but may be worth the time in the long run...but could you perhaps offer to go and watch her in one of her lessons. That way it's not your horse you risk upsetting, you can make the appropriate comments on her progress and encourage her to keep up the lessons etc.

Tell her you no longer need help with your own horses but suggest maybe asking at the RS if she can do yard work etc in exchange for extra lessons if she wants to ride more.

If all else fails i think your only option is to be kind but blunt and say that altho your horse is bombproof he isnt a novice ride and you cant take the chance of her or him being hurt if something unexpected happens
 
Can these people not take the hint!? Obviously not.

Next time they contact you just be very blunt and say she is not riding any of your horses, end of. But hope she continues to learn and have fun at the riding school. I really don't think it is your responsibility to take this girl under your wing and the mother should understand that. It's not like they are friends or family just random people that asked if they could fuss your horses!
 
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Just say that your horses aren't suitable, if they insist on wanting to show you what she's learned, then perhaps offer to go and watch her ride at the riding school, it might give you the opportunity to point out how different riding school ponies are to your horses too and I'm sure the instructor would back you up if you mentioned in front of him/her the predicament you've been put in and how your horses would be too much for her.
 
Kirsty, exactly what I'm worried about!

Mogg, actually, that's a really good idea! If a couple of hours out of a Saturday will get them off my back, I'll do it! Thanks for that!

FBB, I've tried to be as blunt as I can without being downright rude, but oh hell, maybe I should just be rude ...

Touchstone, good idea about talking to her instructor too!

See, I knew you guys could come up with some great ideas!
 
lol, poor you! To be honest I don't see why you should have to give up your time to go to the riding school to watch this girl ride! You clearly don't want to, so why should you!? Let her mother go with her to encourage and support, it's not your job so don't feel bad! Time is precious and spending a couple of hrs at a riding school every weekend is something I'm guessing you could do without!

No, time for some tough love I think. I think you can be blunt without upsetting them. If she really wants to help out then I'm sure the riding school would welcome another pair of hands
 
Jenna, you're so right to stand firm. I really do hope you can get to the bottom of this dilemma - I can't think how else you can handle it - I'm the very person who was in a similar dilemma oh, over 10 years ago now - I wasn't strong enough and ended up being persuaded by the Father to let his 14 year old daughter ride my mare. The mare, usually very kind natured, took exception to something the girl did, bolted with her, girl fell off onto tarmac and broke her elbow. Luckily this was before this "compensation culture" got as big as it is now, and I wasn't sued or anything, but had it happened nowadays, goodness knows where I would stand with regards to liability.

I hope you find the answer to the dilemma (I wish I knew, and had known what it is myself!).
 
You're right, FBB, I don't want to go watch her (certainly not every weekend - once maybe!) but if I can talk to her instructor, get her on my side, and point out that a dressage-trained warmblood is not a suitable next mount for her, maybe it's worth it.

Faro, OMG how awful! Difficult though, isn't it?

My fifteen year old son rides Lui and he's brilliant with him, but that's partly because he's had me going on at him to ride properly for the last 10 years! I think that's part of the problem - she sees him riding and can't see why she can't, as she's not much younger. TBH if she was any good I'd jump at the chance, but she ain't!
 
Maybe ignore txts ?Or say you are looking for financial contribution of xxxx i know its hard ive had similar like tha,t give them a few leads around the school and they think they are onto a good thing, i let one teen have leading rein rides on my horse because her family were going to get her one until one day she said i dont need to buy one i can just ride yours ......nipped in bud.Imediatly.If they ask to your face why not responding to txts you can be polite and say new number and phone not with me sorry for new one or ask for financial contribution of say xxx amount , theyll probs never bother you again i know you dont want to be nasty but telling people the truth sometimes hurts . hope it all works out
 
I would ignore texts, and if they persist, I would send a text back saying:

"I've been trying to avoid doing this as you're putting me in a really difficult position and I don't want to upset you or put ...... off her riding. However, I want to make it clear that my horse is not suitable for ........ to ride and it will not be an option for her to ride him, ever. Please stop asking me. I'm sorry if this upsets you, but I don't want to risk either of them getting hurt."

Its best to be honest I think! Dont they take a hint?!
 
gosh! what a lovely nice person you are!!

complete cheek as far as im concerned and i would say they are looking to free-load off you. Tell them to bog off - its not worth the hassle and risk.
 
You are doing the right thing not letting her ride, and why should she have the opportunity to ride your horses that you put all the work into for nothing along with free lessons? Plus novice riders take so much more watching so that you can't relax and enjoy your horse yourself. Apart from the risk factor involved if anything were to happen. Even with suitable ponies I'd still be wary to be honest, as sad as that is.

Our times are precious enough with our horses without babysitting somebody else's child. That is what riding schools are for, so don't feel guilty but be firm and explain that your horses would be too much for her. If you are firm there isn't much else they can do about, regardless of how often they want to show you what a good rider she is.

If you really don't want to watch her ride for one time then maybe ringing the instructor would be an option, you could ask the instructor to have a word with them too. Sadly new riders often over estimate their abilities and have to be reminded that they aren't quite ready for certain things and the instructor will be well used to this I would imagine!
 
It is an awkward situation for you because they feel like they already have their feet under the table - so to speak! Having said that, the mother is clearly not getting the hint so I would probably just say that you don't feel she is experienced enough to ride any of your horses and you wouldn't want her to have an accident and ruin her confidence etc and you feel that she would be much better off helping out in the riding school with quiet horses bla bla. If they still don't get the hint I'm afraid I would be very blunt and tell them to sod off :)

Just imagine if you let her back in now, there will be NO getting rid of her! EVER!
 
thinlizzy, problem is with asking for a financial contribution, I think they'd go for it as they've already offered to pay me. Don't want to give them a way in!

I can't really say I've changed my phone as they live so close to the field they'll just show up and I'll be back in the same boat.

It does amaze me, since moving to my own place not on livery, the number of people (especially children) who think they can come along and ask to ride my horses, like I'm a public service or something!
 
TBH I think you should tell them you don't have the time for them-sounds like it will alle nd in tears anyway!
 
Tricky. I do feel for you - I often used to get people hinting that they would love to try my horse out. Then when I said 'no' they acted as though I was a selfish child who wouldn't share a toy. Unfortunately most people seem to have a phase when they don't realise how much they don't know.

IMO by this point they are being very rude by continuing to ask. I'm afraid I might be tempted to be quite blunt and tell them so! By asking for rides in this way they are actually showing how little they understand about horses and riding.

Maybe you could point them towards progressive riding tests (do these still exist?) or pony club tests. When the girl realises that she is still not even ready to take the bottom rung of these it may act as a wake up call, and a safer one than letting her find out by riding your horse and having a scare.

Otherwise I would simply say that the horse is your competition ride, that he is in a strict training regime, and that to avoid disrupting this no one rides him but yourself.

I'm sure we can both sympathise with a young girl who is desperate to be around horses, but nagging you for rides is not on.

I'd like to claim a bacon buttie but maybe I've been too mean :D
 
Sounds like a pain!!! If shes not up to scratch theres no point putting her or your horse in danger. Just put your foot down seen as everything else hasnt worked!

Just out of interest, where n the country are you?
 
I would ignore texts, and if they persist, I would send a text back saying:

"I've been trying to avoid doing this as you're putting me in a really difficult position and I don't want to upset you or put ...... off her riding. However, I want to make it clear that my horse is not suitable for ........ to ride and it will not be an option for her to ride him, ever. Please stop asking me. I'm sorry if this upsets you, but I don't want to risk either of them getting hurt."

Its best to be honest I think! Dont they take a hint?!

Love it. Just say that Lui is a competition horse and far too advanced for this kid. I think you have to be a bit cruel to be kind (to your horses!) and be v honest and say that you just will not have her riding your boy-she is far too novice and you have schooled him to a point where you don't want him going backwards in his education.

It does amaze me, since moving to my own place not on livery, the number of people (especially children) who think they can come along and ask to ride my horses, like I'm a public service or something!

It astounds me that people are forever letting themselves onto our yard (on a fairly busy street :() and asking if they can just come and see the horses. Er, no! You don't ram on people's doors and ask to see their dogs so why think it's OK to do it for horses? One woman got really snappy with me yesterday and said 'I was let on last week'-well, touch luck, love, that wasn't me and if I find out who is letting strangers on to the yard, I will kill them! You wanna play with the horsies? GO find a ruddy petting farm!
 
It astounds me that people are forever letting themselves onto our yard (on a fairly busy street :() and asking if they can just come and see the horses. Er, no! You don't ram on people's doors and ask to see their dogs so why think it's OK to do it for horses? One woman got really snappy with me yesterday and said 'I was let on last week'-well, touch luck, love, that wasn't me and if I find out who is letting strangers on to the yard, I will kill them! You wanna play with the horsies? GO find a ruddy petting farm!

Seriously!? What is wrong with people these days? Actually I think I know - Less procreation by intelligent people and more from stupid people - hence stupid ignorant people are taking over the world and ramming their way into our yards - ARGH!
 
Jenna, you explain to mum that when you first let her daughter have a sit on Lui, you were under the impression that she was quite expert, with enough experience to be going out on beach rides unaccompanied, jumping bareback etc. If she had been that experienced then it would not have been a problem to let her ride him (provided they took out some insurance for her). However, you now know that she wasn't able to ride at all, and with her riding lessons she is now what you would consider a novice rider. Lui is not suitable or safe for novices to ride, and will get less safe as you fitten him for competition. This means that there is no likelihood of her daughter being able to ride him in the near future (come back in 2 years!).
That's going to need a phone call or a face-to-face I'm afraid.
 
You could always go down the lines of....

Well had your daughter not lied to me about beach rides and bareback riding, I might have considered it, but since the little shiit lied to me, shes not coming anywhere near my horses, now sling yer 'ook!!

Or is that too rude?!
 
Consider this - you don't want to be rude yet you've allowed these people to impose on you and lie to you all this time. THAT is rude.

They don't deserve your sensitivity, having none themselves. They are the rude ones here and if you don't want to continue to deal with this, you need to draw a line in the sand.

"No, I'm afraid not. Little Muffy was not honest with me about her experience before and while I'm happy to hear she is having lessons now, my horses are not available for people to mess about on."

And good riddance!
 
Lui is very well behaved, yes, but he’s also highly trained and if you give him the wrong signals you’re likely to get something you didn’t anticipate, if you know what I mean!

I know exactly what you mean. My old boy once leg yeilded into a ditch for my very novice mother. he ended up looking round at her as though to say "just sit tight and I will get us out of this one shall I?". Very funny but we decided that we would wait until I am able to afford a happy plod for her thats not quite so responsive before she learns to ride!

My old boy is fantastic. But, and here is the big but, if he doesn't like you he is damn right dangerous. You could be the worst rider in the world and if he likes you he will do anything to keep you on his back. I have watched him hitch disabled riders back up when they have lost their balance. If he is in any way unsure of you he will plant you on the floor and make sure that you do not get back up again. I have seen him do this to riders that are far better than I am! Because of this I have to be extreemly careful who I let up on him. I insist on people spending time with him first to see how he is with them. If he is happy then no bother but if he shows even the slightest hint of not likeing someone then I have to say no. Its far too dangerous to be nice about it. My old sharers just didn't get this so I ended the share.

The only thing you can do is stand firm. Just say no tell them that its the end of teh story and no this girl will not be riding Lui.

I also like what Tiny said only I would lengthen it to at least 5 years!!!
 
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