ADVICE PLEASE ..IM BEEN CONNED !!

I am new to this forum and am shocked by how rude some people can be! I am glad that this poor horse had not been purchased by most of the heartless people who have responded here, put to sleep just for not being fit for purpose, be thankful most of you are not horses or you know what might happen to you! Good luck with this horse and I really hope you can work with his problems and give him a good home. I have no idea of the legal position you are in but I wish you all the best.
 
OP- i'm very sorry for what has happened to you, i hope you manage to work something out.

can some one please explain to me what a troll is?
 
Crugeran Celt said:
I am new to this forum and am shocked by how rude some people can be! I am glad that this poor horse had not been purchased by most of the heartless people who have responded here, put to sleep just for not being fit for purpose, be thankful most of you are not horses or you know what might happen to you! Good luck with this horse and I really hope you can work with his problems and give him a good home. I have no idea of the legal position you are in but I wish you all the best.
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nicely put!
 
A troll is someone who posts things on the internet for attention/ to provoke a response.

Been lots about them in the media lately, some can be nasty (e.g posting horrible jokes on memorial sites).

On here I have seen so many people (esp newbies) posting here looking for advice and immediate reaction for some people is 'troll' which is quite sad and is obviously really offensive to genuine people just looking for some help.
 
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A troll is someone who posts things purely to get a reaction and wind people up.

I would have thought an AI would have enough experience to avoid a situation like this, potentially what others are thinking therefore thinking it might be a troll. Very strange, but if all true then most unfortunate. Hope the horse is saveable / reparable etc and it gets sorted!
 
Dolcé;10719145 said:
LOL mine too!:D
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I got the impression the OP wasn't saying she 'doesn't need ANY lessons' she said this in response to someone making an assumption about her and saying she needed to go to a local riding school and having some lessons...I think she was trying to say she isn't a novice.
 
C Davison25 said:
OP- i'm very sorry for what has happened to you, i hope you manage to work something out.

can some one please explain to me what a troll is?
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Its just an internet name for someone who comes onto a forum and posts something totally silly just to get reactions (so nothing whatsoever like this thread!). You'll also find people like to throw the name about as an insult if they don't believe the thread for some reason, or generally if they don't like the poster (usually because they didn't take their advice or dared to lol ((laugh out loud)) at their advice..).
 
mulledwhine said:
A troll is someone who comes on too be controversial and put a ' spanner' in the works , nothing wring with a difference if opinion , bug a troll will cause offence :)
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Thanks for letting me know what a troll is, still a bit confused as to why people thought this was not for real as the only offence caused has been towards op, not a troll's intention surely?
 
I think the best plan of action is to do as he says and write to his solicitor. You won't need a solicitor but if you write to his, he'll have to pay. It's probably going to boil down to making him feel vulnerable by exposing him as a delaer who disguises himself as a private seller to avoid the obligations a dealer would have.

You'll probably have to say something like "I have proof you're a dealer, i'll tell trading standards and support any action they might take against you, but if you'll give me a refund for the horse, i'll forget all about it and you can go on your merry way".

TBH, if he's selling horses in auction car parks, he probably is a dealer. Google his number and get some hard facts about how many he's had for sale recently.
 
Temptation said:
Can't stop laughing at the fact you don't need lessons cause you have your AI!!! Ahhaa :D
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i may of had a chuckle at that too.

op.

you have no rights would be my opinion, you bought OUTSIDE of the sale ring so no warrenties etc stand.

chuck it back in the sales as sold as seen .
 
mulledwhine said:
I feel you, went too look at a horse this week, luckily said no!! Seller unexpectedly was at show today and confronted me!!

Quite aggressive ' why did yu not want her'???

Me , 'because I did not fall in love and you were asking toouch for a mare, with no condition no tack etc'

I was polite but did feel bullied, glad I got out when I did, I get the feeling it could have ended like you xx
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I have had that too, I thought a lot about a nice unbroken Welsh Cob, nice, but not true to type, I offered £200 less than they asked for it [and I have to say, I usually pay what is asked], they were furious, it was not as though I had said I would buy it and later tried to knock them down [as has happened to me]
 
magoodle said:
think i havent been to clear with my original post

horse was not sold in car park ,vendor delivered the horse to my yard ,where deal was done

vendor said horse was genuine ,good in traffic ,and sound ,no previous lameness issues

if i had sold a horse ,who after day 2 had been bad in traffic ,when i had said horse was fine ,i would of taken it back !!

auctioneers were very helpful ,contacted trading standards for me and couldnt of been nicer as had problems with vendor before
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For the purposes of helping you, sold in the car park and at your yard are the same thing - i.e. not through the auction house, so you don't have any comback from them. If the horse had not been as described, and you bought through the ring, there is a possibility the auction house would have taken it back and refunded you. That's why people are saying this.

Not everyone is as honest and kind hearted as you, as you have found out. Whatever the moral position is, I suspect that in your situation you the buyer is responsible for ensuring the horse is as described and fit for purpose, and I doubt you will be able to get anywhere pursuing the vendor unfortunately. But hey, neither I nor most of the people on this forum are the experts, so go with the advice you have had from the professionals - BHS legal team, the equine solicitor, whatever - not from a forum where every unqualified to comment tom dick and harry has their say. ;)

magoodle said:
vet view on horse is possible arthritic changes in hock,which has resulted in tilting pelvis ,and "left recurrent laryngeal paraesis" ie knackered in wind in laymans terms
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A degenerative joint disease and a serious problem with the respiratory system is quite a disabling combination. I worry for you that you may spend a lot more money trying to put this horse right, only to end up with a paddock ornament at the end of it. That is why a lot of people are suggesting you put to sleep straight away - to avoid a lot more heartache and throwing good money after bad. Again, we aren't actually in a position to make an expert judgement on this, so please act on the advice of your vet, and discuss all options and all the costs and prognoses with them. My gut feeling is that somebody else has already come to the end of the road trying to help this horse, wasn't brave enough to make the decision to PTS themself or wanted to "give the horse another chance" by palming the horse's not inconsiderable problems and treatment costs on someone else - its a pretty common reason to want to take an otherwise nice horse to an auction.

Please talk to the professionals on how to go forward. I'm sure we can help if you would like some suggestions as to the kind of information you need to find out in order to proceed.
 
Goodness, where is this thread going!

Sorry, I can't give advice re the sale, but wanted to say I'm sorry things hasn't gone smoothly so far... Hopefully this horse would become the horse of your dreams - only time will tell. It sounds as if you've already decided to invest your time and money in him - good for you!

I too am VERY taken aback that so many people would say to put the horse to sleep - before they know the details about his behaviour/medical problems etc. Yes, it's not a traumatic/painful procedure to put an animal to sleep, but surely it shouldn't be a decision that's taken so lightly, and it shouldn't be something that you would try to joke about - just for the sake of submitting a 'clever' reply on a forum!!
 
jhoward said:
i may of had a chuckle at that too.

op.

you have no rights would be my opinion, you bought OUTSIDE of the sale ring so no warrenties etc stand.

chuck it back in the sales as sold as seen .
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No wonder that so many horses are just passed from home to home and end up in a tin! Some of the lucky ones end up being kept just to give them a good for ever home and expect nothing in return. I am so glad that I don't have your attitude. The mistake in buying him has been made and he now needs looking after or he will just be another horse that gets destroyed because he doesn't fit what us humans see as perfect. How sad is that!
 
Miss l toe, it made me really uncomfortable , tbh I would have thought £600 would have been more than a fair price !! I can see past poor, but Please do not tell me a month on good grazing will bring her back /(

I might look green looking!!! :( lovely mare , but not for me, full stop!!
 
mulledwhine said:
I feel you, went too look at a horse this week, luckily said no!! Seller unexpectedly was at show today and confronted me!!

Quite aggressive ' why did yu not want her'???

Me , 'because I did not fall in love and you were asking toouch for a mare, with no condition no tack etc'

I was polite but did feel bullied, glad I got out when I did, I get the feeling it could have ended like you xx
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Goodness, tell me more....!
 
I've seen a lot of these sort of sales at our last yard. To be honest everyone involved knew the risks they were taking and that they would have no come back.

I've seen horses change hands a couple of times before a sale, still go through the ring and then be sold to someone else after. Auctioneers were never involved or paid a commission.

Thinking this through, if you buy from a dealer you can claim that the horse was not fit for purpose. Your evidence for the purpose would be the advert you responded to. Was the horse described as sound and suitable for your purpose in the auction catalogue, if so I suppose its an ad of a kind.

Then you would have to prove he is a dealer. Again previous auction catalogues could be evidence.

Sounds like a nightmare which could end up costing a fortune and you still wouldn't get your money back.

Why not try a letter to the solicitor and see if you can get a partial refund, the difference between what you paid and what the horse is worth. Again the price it fetched in the auction ring would be evidence of what it could be sold for.

How much did the bidding actually go to in the ring, is the difference worth it?
 
As someone who said pts if the vet bills are more than the value of buying the type you want, I don't see it as at all heartless. The op has just bought it, so hardly supportive to say 'you are now duty bound to spend thousands of pounds in vet bills, regardless of whether you can afford it, even though you've only owned it days'. Or does everyone who thinks pts is too drastic regularly go to sales looking for unhealthy horses to spend a fortune on vets out of a sense of duty? No, thought not.
If the horse can be put right cheaply, or money isn't a problem for the op & the vet thinks its treatable, then yes, worth doing what's possible. But its not on to imply the op has to put it right & pts isn't ok, unless you are offering to pay. Entirely different if it was injured after she bought it or she'd had it a while, but after a few days all that's owed is not to pass the poor thing on.
 
littlelegs said:
As someone who said pts if the vet bills are more than the value of buying the type you want, I don't see it as at all heartless. The op has just bought it, so hardly supportive to say 'you are now duty bound to spend thousands of pounds in vet bills, regardless of whether you can afford it, even though you've only owned it days'. Or does everyone who thinks pts is too drastic regularly go to sales looking for unhealthy horses to spend a fortune on vets out of a sense of duty? No, thought not.
If the horse can be put right cheaply, or money isn't a problem for the op & the vet thinks its treatable, then yes, worth doing what's possible. But its not on to imply the op has to put it right & pts isn't ok, unless you are offering to pay. Entirely different if it was injured after she bought it or she'd had it a while, but after a few days all that's owed is not to pass the poor thing on.
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I don't really agree as op has made the purchase and therefor it is her resposibility to do the best for the horse that may well be pts but if the horse is able to live a happy pain free life then surely destroying him is unethical. I have a 19 year old horse that has been unable to work for the past 10 years due to various problems she has not been put in a sale 'sold as seen' or pts as she is happy and pain free, I just keep her and yes she is a money pit but she is my responsibility.
 
I'd do anything in my power for mine too, & have done in the past. But the ops horse won't be insured so if it costs a lot she/he will have to pay themselves. Which I'm certainly not going to say someone must. Hundreds of healthy horses are destroyed each week because people can't afford to feed them, let alone treat them, so sad as it is its not the worst thing in the world. If it goes back to the vendor & the op gets her money back it will be back in a sales ring, might as well pts now & save it going for meat sooner or later.
 
If you can prove he is a dealer & you have it in writing that the horse was sound & 100% traffic, you may have a chance so write to his solicitor. 3k for a horse at a sale is way over priced, except at a performance sale. And I am also in the camp of PTS if his condition is such that he is nothing more then a garden ornament. Horses are too big & expensive to be treated as pets. Fair enough if he had given you years of service & you can afford it, but don't be too sentimental, this is not a dog or cat. Why people think PTS is somehow cruel or makes you a bad person is beyond me.

Go back to the auctioneers & see if they can help by providing information of previous horses he has sold. If they have some numbers there it may help your case in proving he is a dealer. Good luck, feel for you as even experienced people get caught out.
 
I havent read the whole thread so not sure if anyone has already mentioned this You should have a check at the T&C for the sale yard. Usually any deal done on sale day, whether paid for or not, should pay commission and therefore the sales returns policy should come into play.
 
Crugeran Celt said:
No wonder that so many horses are just passed from home to home and end up in a tin! Some of the lucky ones end up being kept just to give them a good for ever home and expect nothing in return. I am so glad that I don't have your attitude. The mistake in buying him has been made and he now needs looking after or he will just be another horse that gets destroyed because he doesn't fit what us humans see as perfect. How sad is that!
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Youre right the mistake in buying him has been made, sadly its all gone wrong, and tbh, buying in these circumstances im not surprised. Sorry op, im surprised your surprised at the outcome of this type of sale, you paid your money, took your chance and the rest is history. Your chance of a refund imo is slim to nil.
If you want to spend money trying to get this horse right, by all means go for it.
But i do not think the op is morally obliged to try to get this horse right at great cost, for a horse unable to do the job she wants, in an ideal world people can keep equine lawnmowers, not everyone has the money, we all know how expensive a horse is to keep if kept well, or inclination to do so.
Which leaves either find a good loan home for him, good luck with that, sold as seen to an uncertain future, or pts.
 
I am obviously in the minority here but my horses are no different to my dogs or cats and are pets. Some people find themselves in financial difficulties after they have had a horse for many years and have to then sell or possibly pts but surely before buying any animal the person must know if they can afford that animal should the worst happen. I paid rather a large amount for a welsh sect d four years ago and had him 5* vetted, a week after I bought him he slipped and fell whilst out riding and was lame. The farrier was coming that afternoon and looked at him for me and suggested that his riding days may be over. At no point did I think of selling or pts I knew he would be kept as a field ornament. Luckily for me he made a full recovery and is completely sound and healthy. My point is is that I had bought him therefore he is my responsibility to care for to the best of my ability come what may and if that means owning a field ornament so be it.
 
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