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This may get long so please bare with it, last August I went out and found a 14.3hh gypsy cob mare in a very depressed state on a tether with a foal at foot. Owners said she was bombproof ride and drive blah blah blah, anyway for some unknown reason I bought her home. I did ride her up a road very quietly as I felt anymore would just not be fair but just needed to be sure she was broke and ok in traffic as I am in a town, she went forward nicely but opened her mouth quite a bit so looked in her mouth and saw her teeth were very ragged and she had sores on the sides of her mouth.
Once home I wormed her gently (just incase of a large burden), de-liced her and got all the feather mites treated. Dentist was called out and she had her teeth done, dentist said she had good teeth that were just over grown and the sores all healed up. I decided to turn her away for winter and just get the weight on her slowly as she was slightly poor from feeding the foal on limited grass on the tether.
The first few days were weird she barely moved from one spot like she was on a tether still, but she soon settled although the first time she galloped over to see me she put the brakes on after a few strides like she was waiting for the tether line to snap her back. She was very timid and although lots of ears back she never followed through with any of her threats, so I just kept handling her and she grew in confidence now the only time she puts her ears back is at bucket time and even that is getting better.
Now spring is here the feed as stopped as she is up to a lovely weight, she was good for the vet for her vacinations and also had blood pulled to make sure she was not in foal again (she is not in foal phew). Also had to learn her that having her feet up and trimmed was something she just had to except, she is now great with her fronts and her backs are getting better but I still have to use a broom on them for a few mins before trying to get in the kicking zone, now she just tries to move away untill the broom desensitises the area for a while, then she will allow me to lift and groom by hand, this is also taking less and less time. Then had her back checked and tack fitted ready for her to come back into work, she was actually quite scared about the tack but is easy to tack up now.
So now we have got to the getting on bit, she stood quietly for the rider to get on but then refused to go forwards backward or sideways when she did move it felt like her mouth was a lump of concrete no stearing or brakes. Kicked for all they were worth and even tapped with the crop, all she did was lift her head high and shake her head saying no. So we took her back in the field to try and establish what she knew, which was very little tbh.
I am fairly brave on the ground but not brave at all in the saddle, so I feel sending this mare away for some proper schooling is the way forward for her and me, it is going to take me a few months to save up for some proper schooling so need some ideas what I can do to help her along. I only have a field and no school, I always knew when I bought her that once she was up to weight and feeling well I may have a completely different horse on my hands and I definatley have lol. I could feel a right temper building up, so need to stay safe.
I do have long reining equipment which I inherited from a lot job on ebay, but because I have never done it before its just sat in a cupboard. Would it be worth having a go ? I dont want to make things worse for her future schooling. I feel I want to give her a huge whallop from behind but without a school I dont think it would be safe enough in a two acre field lol and the ground is still quite rutty from all the rain last winter.
Answers on a post card please and jaffa cakes if you made it this far, but its better to have her full history as I have since discovered she has done not much else but be a brood mare. However I did ride her up the road with no arguments but I put her lack of mouth to being from having rough edges and being sore.
cheers The snoopster x
 

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Sounds like she has really landed on her feet :)

I certainly wouldn't send her away, she trusts you.

Definitely yes to long reining, treat her like an unbroken horse. Bit her, get her used to the long reining equipment and off you go. Imho long reining is underated, I spend weeks and weeks long reining mine, it makes the actual backing and riding away so much easier. If you can get someone to walk by her head the first few times, and always use a roller for the reins to run through.

Good luck :)
 

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sounds like she has fallen on her feet with you, well done. Can you lunge her or walk her in hand with tack on and get her going off your voice?
 

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Agree with LJR, take her right back to the beginning. Assume she has done nothing. Just because she was sold as a 'bombproof ride' doesn't mean she has been taught anything properly. Good luck with her.
 

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I also agree with the others and start her again. She may have just had tack 'thrown on' so she probably doesn't understand/know what is asked of her. Good luck and keep us all updated :0)
 

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I assume that she's just been ridden bareback in the past with a rider taking a strong contact - gypsy style?

I would work on voice aids to begin with, you can do that in-hand until she is perfect. Do it every time you ask her to walk on, halt etc... even when you are just catching her to groom her.

I would also consider trying her bitless. My gelding has a bitless bridle and he took to it straight away. In a bit he just kept his mouth open and tossed his head, in the bitless I've walked him past hedge trimmers and chainsaws under control. So maybe worth a try, especially if you can borrow one.
 

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Hi As others have already said restart her like a youngster. I have just done it with my 4 year old and she was a total blank canvas ,and is now hacking out on the roads.
If your any where near me nr Oswestry I would be happy to come and help you start long reining, if not get as much info on long reining [ lots on the internet] and get her better with voice aids and also start getting her to move by putting presser on her sides were you would use you legs when ridden but do it from the ground and don't stop till she moves [first time may take sometime lol]most of all take you time
Good luck with her she is a lucky mare to have you!
 
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Sounds like you've do e an absolutely wonderful job with her :)

Can you not get an instructor to help you and teach you to teach her? (Hope that makes sense)

I too wouldn't want to send her away after working so hard to get her where she is now

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I would get her away to a pro .
Don't try to long line her unless you are good at it the chance of her being spooked and it all going wrong is too high.
Find someone who specialises in starting horses ,nervous riders and horses with difficult starts don't go to together , keep yourself safe and send her to a specialist.
In the meanwhile spend as much time as you humanly can on the stuff you have been doing .
Handling the feet , putting the tack on and off and leading her about getting on and off ( any if you and she are happy with that )
Stand on something while you groom her ( gradually of course ) so you are higher than she is .
Load and unload her if you have access to tram sport .there's loads you can do to make the restarting process easy for her before she goes .
Good luck with her.
 

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Thankyou to all your replies, lots of things I can try but however will stay within my boundries. I have roped in a volenteer who rents part of my field next to mare to help with leading me onboard and try and see if getting some voice commands working helps. I currently have just a snaffle on her bridle and its quite a thickish one as I thought it would be gentle, but was wondering wether a fulmer would help guiding her a little ? no other gadgets are used currently ie martingale.
As I wrote in my first post I am fairly confident on the ground with her now but really dont think my ridden skills would be up to scratch to try and school her on etc, so just needed some stuff to do with her before she goes away for proper learning. She was quiet on the little lorry and imagine travelling is second nature to her coming from where she did lol.
 

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agree with goldenstar.....you can still be involved by going to watch or even maybe help, that way you are not only learning what is done and you could do in the future but also how she has been taught which will help you when you take her away and start doing it yourself. :)
 

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Just got back from the field, tied her up, groomed her, tacked her up and then lead her around the field in different directions learning her some voice commands. Then my friend got on her and we did the same again with th rider stopping and starting. She actually did go off the leg with gentle nudging no flapping at all, lots of talking to her asking her to walk on and stand and even did some small serpentines and she responded lovely. She did have a tiny strop nothing major but I did really growl at her and she stopped straight away, then she tried to walk faster to where we tack up so we kept riding straight past the gate untill on the 3rd lap she walked at a nice pace which is where we patted her and untacked and groomed again. She was only ridden for about 20 mins, but really wanted to stop where I thought we had progressed from yesterday. I am very pleased with her and will be doing the same again on Thursday when my friend can come again, tomorrow I am working on the back legs grooming them and learning her to lift them ready for the farriers next visit.
 

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That's great. If you don't want to send her away, I agree with the poster who said to get some qualified help at home. It should be cheaper than sending her away and your instructor can make sure you are getting the basics right and give both you and her some "homework" to do between visits.
I would go with a couple of "lessons" a week - by which I mean lessons for you in handling any issues you find as you step her work up and lessons for her in what it means to be a ridden horse.
 

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Long reining is fabulous... I do it with all my horses and revert to it if having an issue on board... BUT it's not something to learn without help on a horse who certainly has issues.. IF you want to do this with her, then you need to go for some lessons on a horse that understands the basics so that you don't teach your horse inconsistantly. otherwise if this isn't an option just keep handling her from the floor til you can afford some pro help.
 

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Update on my mare, well she is much more relaxed being tacked up and untacked untill she has become bored of it and just stands there asleep. Done lots and lots of inhand walking in her field in her tack just doing walk to halt etc she stops on voice command now so very pleased with that. Getting on her now and just doing gentle walking in the field walk to halt all over again and that has also been a success, her sterring is still a little bit off but this is getting much better. Then a very old friend of my dad who used to break horses to ride and drive gave me a few lessons on long reining and she was foot perfect, the old guy did say she has definatley done some driving but proberly very little riding except for the odd jog bareback (which is what another poster said may of happened) hence the reason why the saddle scared her a bit at the start.
So at this precise time I am just going to keep what I am doing whilst sorting out her issues with having her back feet lifted and groomed, we can now groom her feathers and lifting feet up for short periods of time although I am still using a broom for the first few mins, she seems quite happy about all this going on and falls asleep whilst I groom which is brill as she was a nervous wreck at first. She will be going to a friends place who has a school and breaks and schools horses and does lots of problem horses (although I dont think she is a problem anymore she is just a mare who has just bred and bred foals with little work inbetween), when she is in full work I shall be having a few lessons on her before she comes home as my nerves sometimes do get the better of me on new horses. Well thats my update, sorry its becomeanother epic tale lol
 

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My traddie cob was the same, literally sat on that's it. Sent her to a pro, had her 4 years and she is great. Sadly I'm really busy so she and I won't be staying together but bless her I would if I had time.
 

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It is very hard to find the time to do all this work with her, I work in a school and have been on hols for last two weeks but back fulltime as from tomorrow so it will slow right down from now on. I do have another 2 horses and 2 ponies so they need my time too, my older mare is 30 on thursday and still loves hacking out, I really did want a tack up and go cob. God knows why I came home with this mare as I dont do charity cases, but something just made me bring her home lol. And if at the end of all this work and reschooling and getting her out hacking she is not for me, at least now I have put her in a place where she is mentally and physically able to go on and be someones pride and joy.
 

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I had no idea you had her TS and think you've done wonders with her from what you've written. Hope it all comes together for you and her when her training moves on to the next step. She's lucky to have found you :)
 

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It's really nice to read that update .
It sounds all is in place now and I wish you luck and loads of fun with her .
 

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Sounds like she has really landed on her feet :)

I certainly wouldn't send her away, she trusts you.

Definitely yes to long reining, treat her like an unbroken horse. Bit her, get her used to the long reining equipment and off you go. Imho long reining is underated, I spend weeks and weeks long reining mine, it makes the actual backing and riding away so much easier. If you can get someone to walk by her head the first few times, and always use a roller for the reins to run through.

Good luck :)

^^ this! I long reined for months with my youngster and it was so beneficial. If you are worried about doing it on your own, get lessons, ring around and find out if there is a good instructor who'll teach you to LR. This is what I did and as my confidence grew, so did my youngsters. It really is hugely under-rated as a backing tool.

Good luck, and I have to ask, what happened to her foal?
 

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^^ this! I long reined for months with my youngster and it was so beneficial. If you are worried about doing it on your own, get lessons, ring around and find out if there is a good instructor who'll teach you to LR. This is what I did and as my confidence grew, so did my youngsters. It really is hugely under-rated as a backing tool.

Good luck, and I have to ask, what happened to her foal?

Her foal was given away to someone :(
 

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I had no idea you had her TS and think you've done wonders with her from what you've written. Hope it all comes together for you and her when her training moves on to the next step. She's lucky to have found you :)


I had no idea I would be having another, but with Snoops getting on a bit and I dont hack out far I decided to buy another for longer rides (no horse could ever replace what me and snoops have together she is my no1). My filly will be ready to break next Autumn and thought having a steady horse would be great to help with Daisys training when her time comes. However Tammy has been a huge learning curve for me, Daisy was born in my arms and nothing she does ever scares me and she is just a perfect youngster (so far), Tammy was just scared to be touched she wanted to be with you but decided staying away just out of reach was better for her survival instincts, but even tonight she came over for a scratch and let me give her a kiss on the nose. Even if I dont have time during the week to get the tack out I have been inhand walking her doing walk on and stand voice commands, she is brill at it now lol
 

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Little update on my mare, well she is going great she loaded perfectly and travelled like a pro to the trainers yard. It took a while to save up the cash good trainers dont come cheap, whilst saving she had been long reined and long reined then did some more long reining up and down the lanes. I also finally sorted out her problems about having back feet lifted and is an angel for the farrier, so far the trainer has reported back that she is going great and is just a lovely mare :) I am off to see her tomorrow working in the school the trainer said I had done such a good job with the basics all he has do do is file down the rough edges with her ridden work. I am very happy :) :)
 
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