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Just looking for abit of advice.

Friend sold a horse approx 2 wees ago. She was very honest about what he was like told people everything he had done in the past and openly said she would not ride this horse.

A girl came to see him took her over half an hour to get on his back but said once she was on him she thought she could work with him. So they agreed a price and the girl took the horse.

This horse had been so bad when my friend had him. She bought him as a novice, family horse but he was a million miles from this. He through novice riders off (when they could actually get on his back) gave his owner a black eye injured a few people on the yard.

Now, this horse has come up for sale advertised as a family horse, a kick along ride been to shows etc which is all total lies and we are now worried he is going to go to novice home and seriously hurt someone.

Is there anything that can be done to stop this horse being sold as this?

Im just so annoyed my friend trusted that this woman would do right by this horse and she has basically got a horse for cheap drugged him up and is selling him!
 
Yes, perhaps trading standards would be worth a call, just for some advice.

I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but if this horse was so bad wouldn't it of been better for your friend to have had the horse PTS?

At least then she would know that no one else would potentially be hurt by what sounds like a dangerous horse.
 
OFG you would serriously have a fit healthy horse pts just because its difficult?
That quite frankly is bs. I ride a mare at the livery yard where mine is and am very good friends with another livery, we both have ex racers, I have one she has 4. One is on and off with soundness and keeping shoes on.... Has he been pts no because he enjoys life, can still be ridden and is loved. Another one of theirs is a 26 yo mare that cant be ridden as she will flip over... Has she been pts? No because she is loved, one of the others is atached to her and she has a lovely nature and is a great companion. And finaly (getting to the point of this long and very very anoyed post) a great little chestnut mare, a mare who was dubbed as DANGEROUS and it has been said that she should be SHOT, erm.... I ride this mare (im no novice) and all it takes is a sensitive rider who listens and interprets what their horse wants and likes/dislikes. I dont know the horse the op mentioned but just because it has a few problems, presumably with getting on doesnt mean it should be pts. I think too many people jump to the pts option rather than working with horses. Have you even been aroung youngsters/green horses. Try and get on one in under 5 mins, I back horse and started my own youngster off and he was a plod and he still didnt stand at first, maybe the horse has remembered pain or just needs some training and work it doesnt mean it needs to be pts.
People who jump to that option frankly discust me, if a horse is sick or cant go on then yes by all means but not if its fit, healthy and happy.
 
ex racer rider said:
OFG you would serriously have a fit healthy horse pts just because its difficult?
That quite frankly is bs. I ride a mare at the livery yard where mine is and am very good friends with another livery, we both have ex racers, I have one she has 4. One is on and off with soundness and keeping shoes on.... Has he been pts no because he enjoys life, can still be ridden and is loved. Another one of theirs is a 26 yo mare that cant be ridden as she will flip over... Has she been pts? No because she is loved, one of the others is atached to her and she has a lovely nature and is a great companion. And finaly (getting to the point of this long and very very anoyed post) a great little chestnut mare, a mare who was dubbed as DANGEROUS and it has been said that she should be SHOT, erm.... I ride this mare (im no novice) and all it takes is a sensitive rider who listens and interprets what their horse wants and likes/dislikes. I dont know the horse the op mentioned but just because it has a few problems, presumably with getting on doesnt mean it should be pts. I think too many people jump to the pts option rather than working with horses. Have you even been aroung youngsters/green horses. Try and get on one in under 5 mins, I back horse and started my own youngster off and he was a plod and he still didnt stand at first, maybe the horse has remembered pain or just needs some training and work it doesnt mean it needs to be pts.

People who jump to that option frankly discust me, if a horse is sick or cant go on then yes by all means but not if its fit, healthy and happy.
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Obviously OP's friend thought that she was selling the horse to someone who would work with it, presumably because, for whatever reason, she felt unable to do so herself.
However instead of working with the horse, the new owner has decided to sell it on as suitable for a novice, despite knowing that it isn't suitable.
If you were unable to work with a difficult/dangerous horse would you feel that it was better to sell it on to an unknown fate, or to PTS at home?

OP, I would certainly ring training standards to discuss the possibilities.
 
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I am sorry but I have to disagree strongly with the above poster. In theory yes of course it would be tragic to PTS a fit healthy horse & maybe in hindsight the horse should have been thoroughly checked by a vet to exclude pain issues.

BUT the horse may be fit,happy & healthy but it's no good if humans end up dead because of its behaviour!!

None of us can 100% diagnose the problem on here but I can understand the other posters querying PTS. A horse can be fit and healthy but have serious behavioural issues with various causes can be incredibly dangerous.

I had my ear severed and a serious head injury caused by a mare with a cyst on her ovary. She went berserk when I got on one day (think my foot or leg brushed a sensative area as I mounted) Obviously we didn't know until after my accident. She bucked me off and physically attacked me with her front legs!! This same mare went on to kill a 15 year old girl as the owner wouldn't do the right thing and PTS!! Yes she looked incredible and 99% of the time was well behaved but due to hormones & pain she would flip.

What I am trying to say is don't automatically assume everyone is callous in suggesting PTS, if the horse is as bad as described he should never have been sold on. He will prob continue to be sold on from each home until one day his final journey will be on a ferry to France for meat.....think I would prefer to PTS than subject a horse to that!!
 
ex racer rider said:
OFG you would serriously have a fit healthy horse pts just because its difficult?
That quite frankly is bs. I ride a mare at the livery yard where mine is and am very good friends with another livery, we both have ex racers, I have one she has 4. One is on and off with soundness and keeping shoes on.... Has he been pts no because he enjoys life, can still be ridden and is loved. Another one of theirs is a 26 yo mare that cant be ridden as she will flip over... Has she been pts? No because she is loved, one of the others is atached to her and she has a lovely nature and is a great companion. And finaly (getting to the point of this long and very very anoyed post) a great little chestnut mare, a mare who was dubbed as DANGEROUS and it has been said that she should be SHOT, erm.... I ride this mare (im no novice) and all it takes is a sensitive rider who listens and interprets what their horse wants and likes/dislikes. I dont know the horse the op mentioned but just because it has a few problems, presumably with getting on doesnt mean it should be pts. I think too many people jump to the pts option rather than working with horses. Have you even been aroung youngsters/green horses. Try and get on one in under 5 mins, I back horse and started my own youngster off and he was a plod and he still didnt stand at first, maybe the horse has remembered pain or just needs some training and work it doesnt mean it needs to be pts.
People who jump to that option frankly discust me, if a horse is sick or cant go on then yes by all means but not if its fit, healthy and happy.
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Yes if I felt that it was dangerous and it could do serious injury to another person. From the post the OP doesn't actually say whether the horse is fit, healthy and happy. Maybe it's behaviour is down to the fact that there is an underlying issue that is causing it to be unhappy, hence the dangerous behaviour.

I find your response rather harsh TBF and a bit uncalled for.
 
Lila said:
Just looking for abit of advice.

Friend sold a horse approx 2 wees ago. She was very honest about what he was like told people everything he had done in the past and openly said she would not ride this horse.

Now, this horse has come up for sale advertised as a family horse, a kick along ride been to shows etc which is all total lies and we are now worried he is going to go to novice home and seriously hurt someone.
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Was thinking about this after I had shut the computer down last night. Out of interest, how do you know that she hasn't managed to sort out his problems, has taken him to a couple of shows and now he is fine (OK I admit that 2 weeks is a very short space of time to perhaps work on the issues you say the horse has / had but just putting that out there as a possibility?)

Bottom line, perhaps do a bit of investigating and get all facts before taking next step?
 
Two weeks to turn a dangerous horse into a novice ride????? How is that miracle possible? Aside from the training issue, two weeks isn't even long enough to assess a horse as a novice ride even it really was one to begin with.

Sadly OP I have to agree with the posters who suggested PTS. In the current market where you can pick a really nice horse for little money it's difficult to see how selling this horse wouldn't attract a scammer as it has done. There is little your friend can do now other than try to find out the eventual owners and let them know the horse's history.
 
ex racer rider said:
OFG you would serriously have a fit healthy horse pts just because its difficult?
That quite frankly is bs. I ride a mare at the livery yard where mine is and am very good friends with another livery, we both have ex racers, I have one she has 4. One is on and off with soundness and keeping shoes on.... Has he been pts no because he enjoys life, can still be ridden and is loved. Another one of theirs is a 26 yo mare that cant be ridden as she will flip over... Has she been pts? No because she is loved, one of the others is atached to her and she has a lovely nature and is a great companion. And finaly (getting to the point of this long and very very anoyed post) a great little chestnut mare, a mare who was dubbed as DANGEROUS and it has been said that she should be SHOT, erm.... I ride this mare (im no novice) and all it takes is a sensitive rider who listens and interprets what their horse wants and likes/dislikes. I dont know the horse the op mentioned but just because it has a few problems, presumably with getting on doesnt mean it should be pts. I think too many people jump to the pts option rather than working with horses. Have you even been aroung youngsters/green horses. Try and get on one in under 5 mins, I back horse and started my own youngster off and he was a plod and he still didnt stand at first, maybe the horse has remembered pain or just needs some training and work it doesnt mean it needs to be pts.
People who jump to that option frankly discust me, if a horse is sick or cant go on then yes by all means but not if its fit, healthy and happy.
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Does it not disgust you when a horse is passed from home to home, because of it's issues, then could end up at some market and who knows....the meat man?
 
Message me hun let me know where the ad is and I will ring up if you like.

Personally I don't agree with this if you can't cope put it to sleep mentality, if that was what everyone did then I wouldn't have my two beautiful horses who are amazingly well behaved and talented, they just need a more experienced person
 
OFG said:
Yes if I felt that it was dangerous and it could do serious injury to another person. From the post the OP doesn't actually say whether the horse is fit, healthy and happy. Maybe it's behaviour is down to the fact that there is an underlying issue that is causing it to be unhappy, hence the dangerous behaviour.

I find your response rather harsh TBF and a bit uncalled for.
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Have had to quote as I can't seem to edit my own post :confused:

From the post the OP doesn't actually say whether the horse is fit, healthy and happy but the OP does clearly states that this horse has already injured his owner and also others on the yard where he is kept.

I wouldn't classify this horse as 'difficult' but dangerous (for whatever reason)
 
OFG said:
Was thinking about this after I had shut the computer down last night. Out of interest, how do you know that she hasn't managed to sort out his problems, has taken him to a couple of shows and now he is fine (OK I admit that 2 weeks is a very short space of time to perhaps work on the issues you say the horse has / had but just putting that out there as a possibility?)

Bottom line, perhaps do a bit of investigating and get all facts before taking next step?
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I think the OP has sold the horse to a dealer type who buys cheap and sells on, if the horse has suddenly turned the corner in two weeks, I will eat my Skullcap!
 
skydancer said:
alot of horses are deemed as dangerous due to owners incompetences ( no offence op) so, do we go round and shoot all the horses that are deemed difficult?????:eek:
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We could shoot the owners instead?

In a perfect world, of course not BUT.....there has to come a time when someone takes responsibility for the said animal and does the right thing by the horse as unpalatable as it sounds, and certainly in the current climate, it's a buyers market. Not all owners are unfeeling, there is no quick fix with some horses, and giving anecdotes on 'well, this is what happened to me and I'm fine!' is no evidence that you can cope with ANOTHER difficult horse. Like all living things, horses are individuals....

Gotta be a realist, not an idealist....
 
Booboos said:
Two weeks to turn a dangerous horse into a novice ride????? How is that miracle possible? Aside from the training issue, two weeks isn't even long enough to assess a horse as a novice ride even it really was one to begin with.

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Agree that is is highly unlikely but just putting all possible (however miricle like :rolleyes:) thoughts in the pot for consideration.

I'm certainly not a rose tinted glasses person and have had my share of 'difficult' horses and would certainly not go around advocating PTS based on these grounds.
 
Why on earth was this horse passed on?

I would be contacting the advertisers direct and get the advert removed.

I would also seriously be considering buying it back.
 
Thanks for replies.

This horse needed a firm rider someone with time and paitence and we all at the yard said with this, he could become a loely horse but never a novice ride.

When my friend bought him, the people she got him off said disabled riders had been on him the lot. She was gullible and believed them and bought him fror her and her children.

He was her first horse and from all the b***s***t they gave her he sounded and acted perfect. SHe tired everything she could with him but he totally knocked her confidence and knowone on the yard had the time to put into him to help her out with having our own horses, kids, jobs so the decision was to sell him to an experienced home where they would spend time getting to the bottom of his issues.

He wasnt in pain he was just naughty and knew his own strength. If you perservered with him you could get on and most of the time he was fine. He just got used to getting away with things.

We knew the girl had problems with him by the messaes sent and facebook updates so i know she hasnt turned him round in 2 weeks.
She said her plan was to turn him away for a few weeks then starting from the begining with him which hasnt happened.

She did say her plan was to sell him once he was doing well, my friend knew that, but we know shes had problems with him over these 2 n half weeks so to be a s**t for 2 weeks then great for a day doesnt mean hes fine now and can be sold on as A NOVICE RIDE!
PTS was not the right option he was fit and healthy.

4faults ill send you the ad ref now
 
Lila said:
Sent it amymay
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Thanks.

Well, if your friend is genuinly concerned and absolutely sure that the problems she had were not down to her own inexperience with horses - then I would tell her to contact the webiste the horse is advertised on and tell them of her concerns.
 
skydancer said:
alot of horses are deemed as dangerous due to owners incompetences ( no offence op) so, do we go round and shoot all the horses that are deemed difficult?????:eek:
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Deffo agree with this - my ex racer went through two homes both of which were completely unsuitable - they deemed his as a 'unrideable' and was beyond help ... thankfully he's now with me and is coming on a dream :D
 
skydancer said:
alot of horses are deemed as dangerous due to owners incompetences ( no offence op) so, do we go round and shoot all the horses that are deemed difficult?????:eek:
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^^^^^this

None of us know the previous owner or how experienced she has, she was by all accounts a novice and all the people the horse dumped were novices, some novices come off if the horse so much as moves sideways quickly! It may be that all this horse needed was consistant, fair handling and a rider who knew what they were doing, although I admit that 2 weeks is a little bit quick to sort out a problem.

Whilst I agree that a truly dangerous horse would be better being pts (no doubt in my mind at all about that), what a novice may call dangerous a more experienced rider could call forward going.
 
OP thanks for the update and further information.

Based on this then I would say that it sounds like the horse has pushed his boundaries and got away with stuff and is now difficult to handle and needs an experienced and confident owner who can work with him.

My PTS suggestion was only ever based on the limited info first supplied in your initial post and from reading your additional information wouldn't have gone down the PTS route had I been in your friends situation either.

A friend of mine was in a similar position just over a year ago with her first horse which was 'difficult'. She took the decision to send her horse to a lady to reschool and then sell on on her behalf. Horse now in a lovely home with experienced people.

I am not sure that the website which has the horse listed would be able to do anything about this but it is not an area I am familar with.

good luck
 
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