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I think you are upset at the way you have been treated & I can see your point of view.
It's the principle of it & I do think you are being punished in a way for not moving to the other field.
 
Nope.



So you do normally use the field without a 'shelter' then.:rolleyes:

You pay for grass livery, you still had grass livery. I'll put money on there being shelter albeit natural (hedges/trees/hill). As for being 'denied' running water, we are talking about a hose pipe connector (£2 tops).

I guess you can't reason with stupid, so I'm going to give up trying now.

I've had some very understanding comments, that will do for me...
 
I would gladly give up some of my grazing until the end of April if I could borrow sheep to clean the land up and fertilize for me, they are the very best thing to strip the land of the dreaded ragwort too.

Between now and the end of April this evil little plant will be showing itself at the rosette stage, ideal for the sheep to completely eradicate for this season, without any use of chemicals.

:eek: Ragwort poisons sheep too! :(
 
I find this very, very odd. I would never move a flock of sheep when they've started to lamb.

I wouldn't have any problem with the sheep being in the field, they're good for the land.

If your diy locally are all much of a muchness why on earth are you still at the current one?
Last I checked a stream was fresh water? You can fill our horses troughs to the brim but it's the stream/lake they drink out of. And you've no shelter at the current yard anyway.

Still confused as to why you've been there this long if unhappy and diy all the same though.

I've been there 3 years and all was fine up until January :confused:...

I understand that the fields need time to rest and we were offered the choice to move off but this wasn't compulsory...

We shouldn't be made to feel punished ( denied access to field shelter/automatic water ) because we chose to stay as we are paying full rent...

I'm understanding the sheep benefits now but they haven't been borrowed ...

I am hearing your point too...

It was snowing when they started to lamb and they were in the big field behind our YO house, that's how they ended up in our barn...They are a few weeks old now. They have only just gone in our fields as the farmers sheep had got attacked by a dog again in the field behind the YO house thats how they have all ended up on our yard... I just wanted some advice...
 
Hose connectors are £1, if that, I wouldn't dream of even mentioning it to our farmer, let alone waiting for him to replace it. You get what you pay for, move if you don't like it. And if you want better, expect to pay more.

The farmer has nothing to with the yard...It was the YO who said he was going to get one as he broke it... I just want what I normally get for my money the same as what I have got the past 3 years...It wasn't compulsory to move fields, in fact she said we either all go or none of us go... 4 moved of, 2 of us stayed...
 
Look at it this way, you've actually got more this winter. You've got 4 less horses there, meaning more grazing than you'd otherwise get & therefore less haylage, & fields not getting as poached. This year has been awfully wet, & few yard owners have been able to offer the same quality of turnout/grazing as usual.
 
OP I do understand that you were paying for use of the field shelter and hose pipe.....
However, it annoys me when people choose to livery at lower priced yards and expect silver service.
I don't think that it is a massive deal that there is no field shelter. Water - well yeah it would annoy me to carry water to fields every day, but then I'd either buy my own connector or be persistent to the YO about it.
Obviously the horses cannot yet go onto the ground which is supposed to be resting.

What would be the resolution to the problem from your side?
 
I'm sorry to say OP but you sound like a petulent child. You aren't happy because some sheep have the field you want?

Your grazing will be BETTER for the rest of the year because of the sheep and the harrowing done by the farmer. Or would you rather have rubbish grazing all year?

Most yards charge more than £70 a month for grass livery. I wouldnt be suprised if your YO gets sick of you and asks you to leave if you continue to whinge.

Buy your own field shelter and hosepipe if you need them.
 
As far as I'm reading it your horses are in a field til it dries out a bit so they aren't destroyed. Smart move on yo. Means you will have grazing for the rest of the year.

You are upset sheep are on there. It wasn't planned and will do good to the fields.

You are on a hill with no shelter... I'd far rather this now than in the heat of summer... But three years have been fine rotating round that field, so were you paying rent when previously in that field?

What is your contract for? At 70 (insanely cheap) I would expect land space alone. Wouldn't bother me buying my own hosepipe at that price and know lots (though would never do myself) who have to provide their own eater paying around that mark.

Field shelters are a luxory not a necessity imo. A field should be decent enough to have shelter with trees/hedges etc. And if not, my comment above re the previous three years and summer worries me more.

Why not approach the yo and ask when they will be going back in the fields (our fields are far dryer than last weekend but fields penned off from horses are still too muddy to consider rotating and ruining both fields yet). Perhaps knowing the time length will confirm to you if you are happy with that or not.
 
So what are you paying for in your contract?


We don't have a contract, its a small yard that is rented off a 3rd party, thats the way its always been... I say YO out of respect really but she is the friend of the actual the owner of the land who rents it to them ...
 
As far as I'm reading it your horses are in a field til it dries out a bit so they aren't destroyed. Smart move on yo. Means you will have grazing for the rest of the year.

You are upset sheep are on there. It wasn't planned and will do good to the fields.

You are on a hill with no shelter... I'd far rather this now than in the heat of summer... But three years have been fine rotating round that field, so were you paying rent when previously in that field?

What is your contract for? At 70 (insanely cheap) I would expect land space alone. Wouldn't bother me buying my own hosepipe at that price and know lots (though would never do myself) who have to provide their own eater paying around that mark.

Field shelters are a luxory not a necessity imo. A field should be decent enough to have shelter with trees/hedges etc. And if not, my comment above re the previous three years and summer worries me more.

Why not approach the yo and ask when they will be going back in the fields (our fields are far dryer than last weekend but fields penned off from horses are still too muddy to consider rotating and ruining both fields yet). Perhaps knowing the time length will confirm to you if you are happy with that or not.

The horses have always been allowed access to the field shelter during the winter, this is accessed off the other 3 fields via a small paddock, its only since 4 have been moved off the we were told we could only have the top field...

In the summer the top field/gate remains open again to allow access to the field shelter but mainly from the flies, this is what I mean about generally having access to the field shelter, and the same for another field, mostly having access to the field shelter...

I was using my own hose pipe, then the connector...Its been replaced now so the sheep can have access to water...

No contract as the land is rented off the YO friend... £70 is for the fields and field shelter and water.

It has been a lot drier and the fields were looking a bit better...

Its not an official yard with YO just a small yard with 6 horses. We all tend to muck in...

The horses will be back April now, hopefully the grass will start to come through in the field they are currently in...
 
I'm sorry to say OP but you sound like a petulent child. You aren't happy because some sheep have the field you want?

Your grazing will be BETTER for the rest of the year because of the sheep and the harrowing done by the farmer. Or would you rather have rubbish grazing all year?

Most yards charge more than £70 a month for grass livery. I wouldnt be suprised if your YO gets sick of you and asks you to leave if you continue to whinge.

Buy your own field shelter and hosepipe if you need them.

Its about communication, I haven't winged but it would have been nice to have been informed what was happening...The yard is rented from a 3rd party and I doubt she would ask me to move as I am often told I am one of the best yarders...She's not actually the YO I say that out of respect really as its rented off a 3rd party...

The sheep were not borrowed to graze the land, she offered to watch them as some have been lambing...It just so happens they have all been brought on now...Hey ho.
 
What happens when you rotate to that field normally? Still no shelter or automatic water?

We always have access to the shelter and water from 3 out of the 4 fields. there is only 1 field that does not allow access to them...

Its a great yard but we both feel we have been punished because we chose to stay and it wasn't compulsory to go...
 
First of all £70/month is amazing - i pay £70/week for my 2 at livery!!!

And as others have already said - sheep are EXCELLENT at restoring grazing! They eat all the rubbish up, and convert it into little ready-made/evenly distributed fertilizer pellets :D

If your YO was going to have to pay a contractor to do the same work the sheep will, I'd expect your rent to double, and you'd still have to rest the fields for the same length of time, possibly more because the ground would have to be ok to drive the machinery on, which in the UK climate, is not always easy to plan! :cool:

Your YO does seem very sensible imo!
 
I think this is just part and parcel of a small private yard. I was on similar before I got my own place. The YO kept taking bits of the already small field for solar panels, veggie patch, poly tunnel etc. Field got very poached and YO asked us to find another field for a few months in order to rest their land. I was really annoyed as yes it needed rested but as they were charging me rent, I thought they should be sourcing the new field not me....long and short of it we found a field along the road which meant we wouldn't be using yard at all other than for storage and farmer was charging nearly the same price for us to use field as I was paying in livery. So I said to YO you can't charge us for something you are supposed to be providing (grazing) then expect us to pay someone else for it on top of livery. So I politely said, I'm happy to pay you livery and you can come to an agreement with farmer or I will pay farmer direct and only pay a token as livery to store my stuff while horses were grazing the other field. We had an open, calm discussion about it and I pointed out that its their choice to have horses on the land and take the rent so either you stop it altogether and don't get livery money or by accepting livery money you have to ensure you are providing what people are paying for....grazing one way or another (we bought in our own hay and supplemented the lack of grazing most of the time). I have to admit I was quite happy with the set-up once it was agreed I wouldn't have to pay double. I think you are perhaps winding yourself up about the field shelter and hose a bit, I don't really see the problem there, you'll be glad of the grazing in summer but I can understand how small things build up and escalate like this but in reality take a deep breath and look at the bigger picture. If you had to pay £40 on top for additional grazing I would be upset. It doesn't really matter how cheap your yard is perceived to be on the face of it, it's all relative and a 50% increase to anyone would be a nightmare and throw your budgeting to pot. Deep breaths OP and look at the bigger picture its not that bad :)
 
First of all £70/month is amazing - i pay £70/week for my 2 at livery!!!

And as others have already said - sheep are EXCELLENT at restoring grazing! They eat all the rubbish up, and convert it into little ready-made/evenly distributed fertilizer pellets :D

If your YO was going to have to pay a contractor to do the same work the sheep will, I'd expect your rent to double, and you'd still have to rest the fields for the same length of time, possibly more because the ground would have to be ok to drive the machinery on, which in the UK climate, is not always easy to plan! :cool:

Your YO does seem very sensible imo!
Its a grass livery DIY but for this amount we have always had access to the field shelter and water...For years infact!

The sheep have not been borrowed to graze the land, she offered to watch them as they have been lambing early but it so happens we now have 80. I understand they will good for the land but to just turn up one day and see the fields taken over by sheep was a bit of a shock...

She isn't the YO, she rents it from a friend...I was just being respectful. She's not really a YM just pays for the rent of the land...

There has never been a private contractor up there but I have taken on board how good the sheep will be for the land, it would have been nice to have come straight from the "horses mouth" so to speak and she was very "sheepish" with us when we turned up to find the fields filled with sheep...If it was me out of politeness I'd have explained the situation beforehand...

I've offered to watch the local farmers sheep for a few weeks and they will be great for the land... That would have done the job...:)
 
OP I do understand that you were paying for use of the field shelter and hose pipe.....
However, it annoys me when people choose to livery at lower priced yards and expect silver service.
I don't think that it is a massive deal that there is no field shelter. Water - well yeah it would annoy me to carry water to fields every day, but then I'd either buy my own connector or be persistent to the YO about it.
Obviously the horses cannot yet go onto the ground which is supposed to be resting.

What would be the resolution to the problem from your side?

I loaned a horse from the this yard, its always been that much...I wasn't persistent as didn't really want to winge, I did actually ask where I could get one from and she said she would sort it...That's been sorted now as one appeared as soon as the sheep needed access to water...I have been using my own hosepipe...
 
I don't actually see the issue with paying for extra grazing. This year I know loads of yards who've had to restrict turnout more than usual with the excess rain. And lots of people who are paying for bedding to stable overnight who usually leave out, & nearly everyone I know is spending more on forage due to lack of grass than normal. Nobody expects a yo to cover the cost of extra forage or bedding, so I don't see why a yo offering a different field (instead of saying stable them) should have to foot the bill. And tbh, if you move on a yard where 6 horses are out 24/7 on 5 acres, I wouldn't expect the turnout to hold out all winter, let alone after a wet summer & winter.
 
I think this is just part and parcel of a small private yard. I was on similar before I got my own place. The YO kept taking bits of the already small field for solar panels, veggie patch, poly tunnel etc. Field got very poached and YO asked us to find another field for a few months in order to rest their land. I was really annoyed as yes it needed rested but as they were charging me rent, I thought they should be sourcing the new field not me....long and short of it we found a field along the road which meant we wouldn't be using yard at all other than for storage and farmer was charging nearly the same price for us to use field as I was paying in livery. So I said to YO you can't charge us for something you are supposed to be providing (grazing) then expect us to pay someone else for it on top of livery. So I politely said, I'm happy to pay you livery and you can come to an agreement with farmer or I will pay farmer direct and only pay a token as livery to store my stuff while horses were grazing the other field. We had an open, calm discussion about it and I pointed out that its their choice to have horses on the land and take the rent so either you stop it altogether and don't get livery money or by accepting livery money you have to ensure you are providing what people are paying for....grazing one way or another (we bought in our own hay and supplemented the lack of grazing most of the time). I have to admit I was quite happy with the set-up once it was agreed I wouldn't have to pay double. I think you are perhaps winding yourself up about the field shelter and hose a bit, I don't really see the problem there, you'll be glad of the grazing in summer but I can understand how small things build up and escalate like this but in reality take a deep breath and look at the bigger picture. If you had to pay £40 on top for additional grazing I would be upset. It doesn't really matter how cheap your yard is perceived to be on the face of it, it's all relative and a 50% increase to anyone would be a nightmare and throw your budgeting to pot. Deep breaths OP and look at the bigger picture its not that bad :)


Thank you, another understanding person :)... 10/10 for wonderful feed back ... I have come to terms with the sheep I think it was more about the way she has dealt with it TBH...I would have been happier had she communicated with us... She offered to watch the sheep as they were lambing early it just so happens that they have access to what our horses don't... Again thank you. :)
 
You mention good communication and respect

Have you spoken to the YO and said as you don't have access to the shelter and water that you'd like a token reduction in rent?

It seems that the fact that you are paying for these things and perceived lack of value for money is more of an issue than the shelter itself so your horse is managing ok so why not just ask for a reduction?

Planned or not you will be so glad that the sheep grazed the fields come summer so think of them as a bonus not a bad thing

I personally think you are still getting a great deal for your money and that your YO seems very sensible even if things didn't go exactly to plan for her she will quickly have recognised the benefits of the sheep

The shelter will be of more assistance to lambing or lambed sheep, I'm assuming of course that your horse is rugged or hairy and that he hasnt exploded yet

Before you go on more about respect think how disrespectful this post is of your yard and that your own suggestion of good communication could have avoided that

If I was your YO I would be upset
 
I don't actually see the issue with paying for extra grazing. This year I know loads of yards who've had to restrict turnout more than usual with the excess rain. And lots of people who are paying for bedding to stable overnight who usually leave out, & nearly everyone I know is spending more on forage due to lack of grass than normal. Nobody expects a yo to cover the cost of extra forage or bedding, so I don't see why a yo offering a different field (instead of saying stable them) should have to foot the bill. And tbh, if you move on a yard where 6 horses are out 24/7 on 5 acres, I wouldn't expect the turnout to hold out all winter, let alone after a wet summer & winter.

We can't stable the horses because of the shavings, so we were told my the (YO)...That's why they all live out...

It wasn't compulsory to move just offered... We chose to stay but then were given the restrictions...

Yes the fields are in a mess but looking better now its been a bit dryer...
 
:eek: Ragwort poisons sheep too! :(

And your point is? Ragwort actually will poison any living animal, if it is alive long enough to show the effects. But it is a fact of life that sheep have been used for many, many generations to clean land of all sorts of weeds including ragwort.

And people worry about a bit of bute in their meat eh?
 
OP - yes and no ....

Yes - I too would be peed off if I had to pay extra to move to another field - YO should have reduced your fees if you are not on her land to accommodate the additional £40.00. It's not your fault that the land was not capable to standing up to the bad weather. At the end of the day YO was happy to take on that number of animals to whatever acreage she has.

No - sheep are great for all the reasons listed above and should be encouraged onto the land whether they were planned or not.
 
You mention good communication and respect

Have you spoken to the YO and said as you don't have access to the shelter and water that you'd like a token reduction in rent?

It seems that the fact that you are paying for these things and perceived lack of value for money is more of an issue than the shelter itself so your horse is managing ok so why not just ask for a reduction?

Planned or not you will be so glad that the sheep grazed the fields come summer so think of them as a bonus not a bad thing

I personally think you are still getting a great deal for your money and that your YO seems very sensible even if things didn't go exactly to plan for her she will quickly have recognised the benefits of the sheep

The shelter will be of more assistance to lambing or lambed sheep, I'm assuming of course that your horse is rugged or hairy and that he hasnt exploded yet

Before you go on more about respect think how disrespectful this post is of your yard and that your own suggestion of good communication could have avoided that

If I was your YO I would be upset

I had been able to feed my horse in the field shelter but the sheep moved in, I did mention this yesterday and she said just shut half off but its covered with sheep poo now...I won't get a reduction that I know for sure as my friend has already mentioned this!

Think how disrespectful it was just turning up with fields full of sheep and not thinking of talking to us about it...The girls off the yard are cheesed off too as they were hoping to come back this month now they have to pay even more for moving off...So we are all of the same thinking really.

Our YO doesn't seem to care who she is upsetting at the moment...:(
 
Look at it this way, you've actually got more this winter. You've got 4 less horses there, meaning more grazing than you'd otherwise get & therefore less haylage, & fields not getting as poached. This year has been awfully wet, & few yard owners have been able to offer the same quality of turnout/grazing as usual.


True...Half glass full :) I nice bit of advice again...Thank you
 
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