Advocating for a pony in pain - need to vent!

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Urgh just need to a little rant because I feel like I am the only person listening to our pony at the moment and so called professionals are labelling what I can clearly see is pain as naughty behaviour.

For background, after a 3 week winter holiday following a busy competition schedule our stressy Welsh x mare exploded during a saddle fitting at the end of January. She does have a history of bucking and rearing when stressed (which was the first 3 months we owned her as she was very unsettled by the move) but we had seen a massive improvement. Vet was booked and after a thorough check for lameness or pain points felt that some changes in routine (in at night instead of out 24/7, moved on to haylage instead of hay) could have caused ulcers. We had been making sure she was never without forage and she was on daily Protexin but nothing to specifically target ulcers. Sure enough, scope last week showed grade 2/3 across the squamous, glandular and pyloric areas, some already starting to heal themselves. None of them were particularly bad but more lots of small ones. Treatment has started now and vets advised it might take up to 3 weeks to see any real improvements but to continue to bring her back in to work, which my teenage daughter was thrilled about. I did query it at the time but was told that even racehorses train while being treated so some hacking and schooling at home won't be an issue.

We are a week in to treatment and my daughter had a lesson with our usual yard instructor on Sunday. I wasn't there but had already asked them to take it easy and not put any stress on the pony. Apparently she was very relaxed in walk and trot so they decided to try some canter. One rein was fine, second one resulted in a massive buck which launched my daughter over her head - she was fine thank goodness. I now have my daughter telling me that our instructor says it must be learned behaviour because there is no way ulcers that mild would cause such extreme reactions and that we should sell her. My daughter is adamant that since the vets said it would be OK to ride and she is still being "naughty" that the instructor is correct because they are all the experts, not me. However I'm positive that our poor pony is in quite a bit of pain (the fact I have video of her later that night twitching like mad when pressing the ulcer acupuncture points apparently not relevant because she a "sensitive, mareish" pony anyway).

I am completely open to the fact that yes, given the pony's history she probably does know that bucking and rearing gets her out of work which started with her last owner because she likely had undiagnosed ulcers when with them too . There might be something else which comes to light once the ulcers are treated (at the moment I am thinking potentially PSSM2 as we've tested and she is type 1 negative, maybe a neck or SI issue, maybe ovaries....) but I feel like I cannot write the poor girl off completely as a nutter while she is still screaming to me that she is sore and unhappy and that with the right treatment and ongoing management we can get the fab pony we had for a few months last year back.

Thank you for listening to my rant!
 
My last horse was absolutely unhinged with grade 1-2 ulcers near the pylorus, nothing else. He was hypersensitive, miserable and dangerous to ride. Vets told me ulcers that minor shouldn’t be enough to cause that reaction. And yet once he was treated he was a different horse (don’t get me wrong, he was always sharp, but his ulcer behaviour was something else). I’m gave him 3 months off during treatment.

My current mare had grade 3-4 ulcers throughout stomach and would just stand and rear and buck in the field, not because she was having fun but because she was in so much pain she didn’t know what to do with herself.

Please keep advocating for your pony.
 
There is no way to compare pain levels between horses or even severity of ulcers. Like trying to compare my migraine to your migraine, there is no way to know. You are correct and your instructor is overstepping. It is a WEEK into treatment.

You don't say what age your daughter is, maybe she's too old for laying down the law, but if you pay the bills I would be removing riding privileges until the pony shows clear improvement.
 
Thanks for the replies.

My daughter is 13. While she is keen to ride she kind and wants the best for her pony. A silver lining from Sunday's lesson is that the instructor has said pony should not be ridden so she has taken that on board even it was said in the context of pony being a psycho rather than giving her time to get better!
 
The instructor is right. It is learned behaviour. Its what the pony does to tell you something is wrong when you dont pick up on her signals. Thats good. You have a way to know something is wrong. You can start learning the more subtle signals. The instructor would be sacked. Firstly for being an idiot, and secondly for having that discussion with a 13yr old with no parent present. That would have me absolutely raging mad!
 
Every horse is different, like people they have different pain thresholds. Ulcers can cause a horse to lack performance on one rein more than the other. Usually the left rein IME. Not sure how old your daughter is but maybe an understanding of what the issue is and a bit of an anatomy lesson to explain why the mare may react on one rein and not the other.

Sounds like your instructor is a little bit old school. I was told a welsh cob couldn't get ulcers by a very blinkered lady once as she'd 'never heard of it before'. I'm sure your daughter probably has more of a relationship with the instructor than the vet so she will always swing in that direction naturally. Plus, your mum! Us mums know nothing remember!

I explained to my 'then' 12 year old daughter that stomach ulcers probably feel like getting vinegar in a paper cut, but worse and in your stomach. then explained about acid production in a horses stomach and that it will take a while for the medication to work. And that the horses stomach is likely swollen and inflamed from being constantly sore. My daughter spent time with her horse hand grazing and grooming and just generally keeping him calm. She filled haynet's like there was no tomorrow, but to this day she hates trickly nets and is a firm believer the caused B's ulcers! Sometimes we just need to put the information to young teens in easy to understand and relatable terms.
 
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My horse had pyloric ulcers, the raw edges were rubbing together every time the sphincter opened and closed, it was quite upsetting seeing this on the video. He'd started planting when ridden which progressed to bucking and rearing if pressurised to move forward. My trainer (wrongly) blamed my riding but I ignored this and went to the vet anyway.

My horse had made a massive improvement after 5 weeks but there was still one small ulcer on the scope so he was given another injection. My vet said he would be improved after one injection due to reduced acid in the stomach but to see how he was before getting back on. I tried him on the lunge but he was uncomfortable looking and not going forward so I just left him until the treatment was finished.

Your pony might have been in some level of discomfort for quite a while so I'd be inclined to give her a bit of a break to relax before getting back on.
 
Just to clarify, I am not ranting because my daughter wants to ride - she would not have been allowed to if the vets had advised not to. More that she is listening to someone who isn't listening to the pony like I am.
Yes very fair point, I know several grown women who have listened to the instructor who tells them what they want to hear, rather than the pony so at only 13 your daughter does deserve some grace!

Not as much grace as the pony tho 👀 She is a lucky girl to have an advocate. I hate to see "naughty" childrens ponies 😭

The instructor is right. It is learned behaviour. Its what the pony does to tell you something is wrong when you dont pick up on her signals. Thats good. You have a way to know something is wrong. You can start learning the more subtle signals. The instructor would be sacked. Firstly for being an idiot, and secondly for having that discussion with a 13yr old with no parent present. That would have me absolutely raging mad!
You had me in the first sentence😂😂😂😂😂
 
The instructor is right. It is learned behaviour. Its what the pony does to tell you something is wrong when you dont pick up on her signals. Thats good. You have a way to know something is wrong. You can start learning the more subtle signals. The instructor would be sacked. Firstly for being an idiot, and secondly for having that discussion with a 13yr old with no parent present. That would have me absolutely raging mad!
^^^^this 100%
 
My super safe - I'd put my 80 year old granny on him- pony became the most unpleasant ride I'd ever had when he got ulcers. I had him napping for England - someone had moved the wheelbarrow outside his field shelter about ten foot and I couldn't get him passed it. He wouldn't go past two walkers when we were out hacking - the man was wearing one of those back packs for babies so he did look as though he had two heads- wouldn't normally bother him but he turned round and p****d off with me. He showed no other common ulcer signs but must have been in a lot of pain. My vet told me not to ride him although I wouldn't have wanted to anyway.
 
Who on earth tells a 13 year old they need to sell their pony :eek::mad:

I mean have a quiet word with the parent if you are really worried about the match between pony and child but don'r have that discussuion with the child!!
Overstepping!!!! Completely unprofessional and I think I would at least be having second thoughts if I wasn't having words.
 
Urgh just need to a little rant because I feel like I am the only person listening to our pony at the moment and so called professionals are labelling what I can clearly see is pain as naughty behaviour.

For background, after a 3 week winter holiday following a busy competition schedule our stressy Welsh x mare exploded during a saddle fitting at the end of January. She does have a history of bucking and rearing when stressed (which was the first 3 months we owned her as she was very unsettled by the move) but we had seen a massive improvement. Vet was booked and after a thorough check for lameness or pain points felt that some changes in routine (in at night instead of out 24/7, moved on to haylage instead of hay) could have caused ulcers. We had been making sure she was never without forage and she was on daily Protexin but nothing to specifically target ulcers. Sure enough, scope last week showed grade 2/3 across the squamous, glandular and pyloric areas, some already starting to heal themselves. None of them were particularly bad but more lots of small ones. Treatment has started now and vets advised it might take up to 3 weeks to see any real improvements but to continue to bring her back in to work, which my teenage daughter was thrilled about. I did query it at the time but was told that even racehorses train while being treated so some hacking and schooling at home won't be an issue.

We are a week in to treatment and my daughter had a lesson with our usual yard instructor on Sunday. I wasn't there but had already asked them to take it easy and not put any stress on the pony. Apparently she was very relaxed in walk and trot so they decided to try some canter. One rein was fine, second one resulted in a massive buck which launched my daughter over her head - she was fine thank goodness. I now have my daughter telling me that our instructor says it must be learned behaviour because there is no way ulcers that mild would cause such extreme reactions and that we should sell her. My daughter is adamant that since the vets said it would be OK to ride and she is still being "naughty" that the instructor is correct because they are all the experts, not me. However I'm positive that our poor pony is in quite a bit of pain (the fact I have video of her later that night twitching like mad when pressing the ulcer acupuncture points apparently not relevant because she a "sensitive, mareish" pony anyway).

I am completely open to the fact that yes, given the pony's history she probably does know that bucking and rearing gets her out of work which started with her last owner because she likely had undiagnosed ulcers when with them too . There might be something else which comes to light once the ulcers are treated (at the moment I am thinking potentially PSSM2 as we've tested and she is type 1 negative, maybe a neck or SI issue, maybe ovaries....) but I feel like I cannot write the poor girl off completely as a nutter while she is still screaming to me that she is sore and unhappy and that with the right treatment and ongoing management we can get the fab pony we had for a few months last year back.

Thank you for listening to my rant!
I think that you need to put your foot down and tell anyone who needs to know that there will be no riding at least until the pony has finished the course of treatment. Is the plan to rescope?

Eta, as a maintenance measure Aloe Vera can be useful for keeping equine stomachs comfortable.
 
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