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I've a mare in foal to Baltimore this year, who is approved elite with the AES. Now I've sorted out about registering the foal and naming it with my prefix. So far so good!
Now, if I have a colt I plan to retain him as a competition stallion, provided he's good enough of course, then breed from him after he wins team and individual gold at the 2020 Olympics, the 2021 Europeans and the 2022 WEG. The Hickstead Derby and CN International as well for good measure!!! In the mean time, back on planet earth is there necessary gradings he must go through as a young horse? If so, is there some in Ireland or does he have to travel across the water?
Likewise if I get a filly, she'll be retained for breeding after competing. Is there obligatory mare gradings and again if so, are there any in Ireland?
One other thing, how do the AES select horses to go to Lanaken every year? All replies get a free cover if its a colt
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Young horses qualify for Lanaken at the British Young Show Jumping Championships held at Addington in August.

If a colt he can be graded with AES from 2/3 years old, but the gradings are in UK. Not sure about what happens in Ireland, sorry. AES does not hold mare grading (I hope that will change in the future) but you can have her overstamped with a society that does grade mares.

3 questions, does that mean I can have 3 coverings
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Once they're not coloureds then yes! ... Sorry but I wouldn't be a fan of them!!!

Mare gradings don't bother me because I could grade 'her' here with the IHB, they're starting proper mare gradings this year. The dam topped her group under the old Premier mare, which is nice!

As for 'him' well that could be tricky. I'm the sort who'd like to have a horse passed by as many books as I could.

Regardless of gender, I doubt they'll be going to Lanaken for the AES, isn't Addington on the week of Dublin. 1st wednesday in august?
 
Visit www.irish-warmblood.com to learn about the Warmblood Studbook of Ireland (WSI).

Unfortunately your 2010 foal could not be registered by the WSI because its sire is not approved by the WSI.

But we do inspect mares and foals (and re-evaluate the foals when they are 3-, 5- 7-, 9- and 11-years-old) so in the future, if you use a stallion Approved or Licensed or Recognized by WSI, you could register you foal -- assuming, of course, the mare has been accepted into the studbook at the time of inspection.
 
Regarding AES selecting for Lanaken - AES do not select the horses.
The Young Horse Show at Addington is used as a viewing procedure for Lanaken. Selection is done, I think, by the BSJA selectors as all invitations for Lanaken are done via them so nothing to do with AES.
British Bred horses put forward have first priority then other non british bred horses have to apply for a wild card at Lanaken and these are in short supply normally I believe.
To count as Britsh Bred I think the horses have to registered with a british studbook like the AES, if registered with an Irish studbook then they have to apply via Irish version of BSJA.

If anyone knows different, please correct me and I apologise for any mis information - doing this from memory.
 
AES gradings have been held in Ireland before - wasn't Guidam graded at Kill International EC?

All hypothetical - wait until you see what you get first.
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Tom, not a week goes by that I'm not on your site looking to see if more stallions have been approved. Truth be told, I'm a ISH man, despite the huge gaping flaws with HSI/IHB! I do plan on going down your route with at least one mare or foal to see where it brings me. The very best of good luck to you and the WSI. Competition is always good and hopefully it'll get the ISH studbook in gear and make them knuckle down!

If I get a colt this year, I'll even be going your way for a Licensing. One quick question though, why did you call it WSI and not IWB for Irish Warmblood? That often baffles me
 
We did not (and do not) want there to be any confusion between us and the IHB/ISH in the minds of the international community, since we are as far apart in rules, breeding goals, breeding strategy, etc. as two studbooks could be operating on the same little dot in the north Atlantic, so we decided on Warmblood Studbook of Ireland / WSI.

The breed is "Irish Warmblood" under EU law.

Thanks for your best wishes, Eothian.
 
Stallion shows are generally held in April and November each year. We hold these in Holland, France, Ireland and England. Dates are posted on this website over 1 month prior to the event, schedules can be dowloaded from this site or ordered from the AES.

Upon completion of the entry form your stallion must undergo a 5-stage vetting. A copy of this must be forwarded with your entry form. A good quality copy of his pedigree should also be forwarded and any competition results should be included e.g.copy of his passport indicating travel to International competitions etc.

Your entry should be forwarded in good time to ensure a place, entries are strictly limited due to time - we endeavour to ensure that each competitor has good time to display their stallion for scrutineering in front of the judges. Cost of entering is £141.00 (incl. VAT).

On the day of the show you should bring your passport with the original 5-stage vetting to the secretary and collect your number and order of the day. Please note that despite our best efforts we are unable to put exact times on classes finishing and starting and also when results are to be published. You should expect to be at the show for the duration although results for the loose jumping stallions are normally published at lunchtime. Please be patient, we have a large number of stallions to judge, the order printed may not necessarily be the order judged. The classes are as follows:

i've just taken this from the aes website. i'm also intrested as we have a 3yo that we think might be good enough

tom will you be holding a grading day this year? if so when and where?
 
If you are interested in having the WSI inspect a mare or stallion please email or ring the studbook administrator (contact details are on the WSI's homepage).

I encourage you to read the criteria for mares and stallions to determine if your horses are eligible for the studbook.
 
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Regarding AES selecting for Lanaken - AES do not select the horses.
The Young Horse Show at Addington is used as a viewing procedure for Lanaken. Selection is done, I think, by the BSJA selectors as all invitations for Lanaken are done via them so nothing to do with AES.
British Bred horses put forward have first priority then other non british bred horses have to apply for a wild card at Lanaken and these are in short supply normally I believe.
To count as Britsh Bred I think the horses have to registered with a british studbook like the AES, if registered with an Irish studbook then they have to apply via Irish version of BSJA.

If anyone knows different, please correct me and I apologise for any mis information - doing this from memory.

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That's silly. Surely the studbook should decide what horses represent it at Lanaken. The horses go to represent the Studbook after all!

How will the WSI select them Tom? I know you won't have to for 4 years but still ...
 
Eothian, if we assume that the WSI joins the WBFSH (an open question because from a benefit-cost perspective it is not a compelling proposition plus the rankings system is so faulty its results are meaningless plus the principals of the WSI are not keen to encourage breeders and owners of 5-year-old horses to produce their horses in the manner that is required for success at Lanaken) our methodology for selecting horses for the World Breeding Championship will be published at least a year before the selection. The criteria will be simple, clear, transparent and have face validity.

I have not spent any time thinking about this but my instinct is to create a ranking based on winnings in sport. Winnings from international young horse classes will be counted as is. Winnings from national classes will have to be converted because some countries have very small prizes while other countries have larger prizes. And a "win" in a 1.10 class in Ireland is "easy" (since every double-clear is a joint winner) while in the Netherlands and Germany, for example, a normal 1.10 m. class is against the clock in the second round. But all this would have to be figured out and, as I said above, a transparent and understandable methodology would be published at least 12 months before the selection date.
 
Horses selected for Lanaken with be the top 4 in each age catagory (5, 6 and 7) at the British Young Horse Championships born in the UK, with a passport from WBFSH approved and British Based Studbook - i.e. AES, SHB(GB) etc and the owner/rider wishes for them to attend. The BSJA are going to subsidise these horses to, I think, £500 per horse.

Any other horses which would like to go will have to apply through the BSJA and be approved a wildcard by the WBC committee.

The British Young Horse Championships will be at Addington - the proposed dates have been moved to 19th to 22nd August so as not to clash with Dublin, or any other major UK show.

Lanaken (World Breeding Championships) are about promoting British Breeding - however I think for those of you in Northern Ireland I think there are some issues with your horses born in Northern Ireland with Irish based Passport are considered 'Irish' not 'British' and therefore need to be selected through Ireland or apply for a wild card. But I am not 100% certain on that as I am not in Ireland it does not affect me.
 
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