AES stallion gradings-can anyone give me the low down please.

Studbooks that do not have a democratic constitution where the Committee or Board is elected by the members have two years to correct that problem as it is a condition of membership of the WBFSH and I am give to understand BE & AES do not have an elected board or committee
 
Rollin said:
I know from personal experience that if a stallion is not graded by a WBFSH member he will not be accepted into another stud book without a new grading.
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Yes this seems to be true but I would have to question if it's allowed legally. The WBFSH is a federation of warm blood breeders and its sole purpose is to promote that brand and the interests of its members. In the UK it really has no legal standing that I know of and can only act in an advisory capacity. The actual governing body is DEFRA of which all stud books have to be approved by to operate within the UK so they really should recognise each other, but the problem here is standards I.e. Each stud book has different standards on operation and grading and are all competing for the same market... All a bit of a mess I think.
 
Springs said:
Yes this seems to be true but I would have to question if it's allowed legally. The WBFSH is a federation of warm blood breeders and its sole purpose is to promote that brand and the interests of its members. In the UK it really has no legal standing that I know of and can only act in an advisory capacity. The actual governing body is DEFRA of which all stud books have to be approved by to operate within the UK so they really should recognise each other, but the problem here is standards I.e. Each stud book has different standards on operation and grading and are all competing for the same market... All a bit of a mess I think.
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Yes it is a mess. One breed society does not require stallions to be swabbed. Two societies of which I am a member have very stringent requirements for swabbing and vaccinations.

The grading process is variable too. One breed society I know only requires a vet certificate for a basic stallion licence. Performance requirements for my Shagya stallion were tougher in France than in Germany, for the same Stud Book A. For this stud book the grading process was very stringent, with 5 international judges as well as equivalent to a 5 stage vetting, in order to insure that only stallions who meet breed standards are licensed.

Some stud books require x-rays and even these can vary. I think it is a bit of a lottery.
 
The AES is run by the two Dutchmen and they have two years to turn the AES into a democratic organisation with an elected board if they wish to remain members of the WBFSH Henk's EB society had its membership turned down.
 
sywell said:
The AES is run by the two Dutchmen and they have two years to turn the AES into a democratic organisation with an elected board if they wish to remain members of the WBFSH Henk's EB society had its membership turned down.
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Yes I know, I can't see BE been accepted just yet as the federation is run by its own membership and they are all competing for the same market share so it stands to reason that there will be a huge resistance to letting BE into it in the UK
 
Springs said:
Yes this seems to be true but I would have to question if it's allowed legally. The WBFSH is a federation of warm blood breeders and its sole purpose is to promote that brand and the interests of its members. In the UK it really has no legal standing that I know of and can only act in an advisory capacity. The actual governing body is DEFRA of which all stud books have to be approved by to operate within the UK so they really should recognise each other, but the problem here is standards I.e. Each stud book has different standards on operation and grading and are all competing for the same market... All a bit of a mess I think.
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This is not quite correct DEFRA only approve organisations to issue passports in the UK but studbooks like the KWPN issue passports in the UK and they get their studbook recognition from there own Min of Ag. A daughter society would need DEFRA approval to issue passports in the UK but could operate as a daughter stud book under EU legislation but has to have the same rules as the parent society. The different standards of the studbooks on the evaluation of a horse relate to the discipline it is designed for so temprement in a jumping horse may be different from a dressage horse.
 
Sywell,

My Shagya stallion had to complete 3 x90km endurance for Shagya Stud Book A in France, and at the age of 6. In Germany for the same stud book he would have needed to do only 2 x90kms by the age of 7.

I actually complained to IFCE, AFCAS, and spoke to Dr. Meisner at the GEF. He told me there was NO co-ordination of stud book rules across the EU. It would appear you can do what you want.

We actually did it but with hours of careful training and strict rules for our stable jockey who was an absolute star.
 
I have been trying to interest British Breeding of the BEF to have a basic guide to studbook requirements and Celia is also interested in this. The idea is to have a simple table with tick boxes to show what indivdual studbooks want. the breeder could then see which studbooks require stallions under saddle,who needs leg xrays,DNA parenatge testing,dam grading ect. Some studbooks allow young stallions to cover in their first year a limited number mares but the next year will have to show performance requirements and colts from the first year cannot come forward as stallions if the sire fails its performance requirements. It is a minefield for the new breeder who then ends up with a foal who they have to register with a studbook they did not want because it does not meet the requirements of the studbook they were breeding for.
 
I agree with you. Look at my two rare breeds. CBHS give a basic stallion licence after a 5 stage vetting. The vet is no judge of Breed Standard.

QA is given on proven fertility and Breed Standard but NO performance requirement.

My Shagya stallion was graded at 3 years of age. Equivalent to Five stage vetting BUT judged by five international judges. So he met breed standard but no serious breeder is going to send a mare to him until he has 'performance' another 3 years. For me this has been, including pregnancy, 7 years of investment.

What if we found he was infertile? (he is not by the way)

So we bred him to a CB mare, we also graded him to SHGB and now we have a stunning foal who is registered with SHGB. We planned her future before we bred her. I hope I live long enough to see her compete internationally and say "I told you so".

Meanwhile my CB stallion also produces foals of quality but no one will be interested in them till they compete. I had two visitors to my farm, one is an enthusiast for classical dressage, the other now competing at PSG. Who attracted their attention?

A CB stallion who no one other than a fan would breed from and his first daughter. The observer just kept saying - "what a fabulous mare, I really like her"

The Cleveland Bay is on the RBST 'critical list'.
 
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