after care of open wound - sarcoids

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Can anyone recommend a product for a large open wound following laser surgery for sarcoids.

I have kept it clean with salt water but yesterday the flies had bothered both wounds (one on chest near to foreleg and the other on her belly, close to her teats) and they had been weeping. This morning I carefully fly sprayed round the area and applied a little bit of salve to the edges of the wound (thinking the flies would struggle to land directly in the wound).

Emailed my vet this morning but they didn't really have much advice other than to try some equi-salve.

Have heard a lot about manuka honey. Can you place this directly on the wound (even though it is still fairly open) - all experiences welcome!
 
My girl had the cream treatment rather than laser for her sarcoids, but it did leave her with small open wounds. I put yellow summer fly cream (with Vet's approval) on. It was very effective and I reapplied every other day.

Maybe check with your vet that it is OK on a larger wound before using?

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Red Horse products - Honey Heal. Lovely thick consistency which stays put for days and really soothes. Pots lasts forever and its all natural ingredients.
 
My horse has sarcoids too so I have to deal with this quite often!!! Because fly spray has a lot of horrible chemicals in you don't want to be putting that anywhere near the area because even if it's not near when it rains or the horse sweats in will run into the open wound and make it worse! What I do is use Neem oil around the open wound (Neem oil is just a natural oil that you can order online or get it in stores which flies won't go anywhere near when is on as it has a very strong smell but it's completely natural!) I then aswell like another reply put summer fly cream on, however not the same one! I get one called summer cream but it's for any livestock but sheep and cows really and it's a yellow cream but also an antiseptic so keeps the wound really clean! I never get flies with that!
 
Mine had a cream to put on after he had his lasered. It was a bit like horse Bazuka cream. It wasn't a Fly cream but it did seem to keep them at bay
 
joosie said:
Yes Manuka honey can go straight on an open wound. I've used it many times, it's great stuff!
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Noooooo you must put nothing on that encourages cells to divide and heal .
Summer fly cream makes a good barrier and you ought o be using an antiviral cream as well .
ETA flys are implicated in the spread of sarcoids honey is about as bad an idea as it's possible to have .
 
Goldenstar said:
Noooooo you must put nothing on that encourages cells to divide and heal .
Summer fly cream makes a good barrier and you ought o be using an antiviral cream as well .
ETA flys are implicated in the spread of sarcoids honey is about as bad an idea as it's possible to have .
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Our dog had surgery to remove a cancerous lump on his leg and the daily dressing involved about 5 different layers of dressings but manuka honey was the first layer followed by 4 different bandage type dressings.

I only say this as I don't understand why you are saying that manuka honey is the worst thing ever for an open wound ?
 
For an open wound that couldn't be bandaged (chest area) I used Hydrogel (I think that's the name, and there are definitely different varieties of it now). Just filled the wound with it and left it - it looked horrendous because it sort of took on the exudate from the wound and helped form an enormous scab. I added more cream on top but didn't disturb what was there. When the whole thing came off of its own accord the wound had healed beautifully and you could barely see the scar - it started off as about a half tennis-ball size hole. I suspect a sarcoid wound would benefit from as little disturbance as possible too.
 
Def the Summer fly cream as pictured above, its what is recco'd for follow up after sarcoid treatment by lazer, op, liverpool cream etc - there isn't anything else recco'd to put on.
Don't use the manuka honey at present, the cells have been altered (as mentioned above!).
Do not be tempted to 'fill' the wound with anything at all, they need to heal across from the outside, not be packed with any gel's or creams.
 
Because the virus that causes a sarcoid does always get fully removed anything that encoures cells to grow is a really bad idea .
Hence you use anti virals and pretty inert barrier creams on sarcoids .
Flys are thought the most likely way that the virus moves between one horse and another there fore any thing that might attract flys is not a great idea .
Personally unless it's winter I never use honey on horses because of wasps .
 
Summer fly cream. My last horse had a sarcoid between his back legs that burst last summer. Apart from keeping him in for a couple of days I put this cream on it and it healed after a week or so. Thecdarcoid went on its own with no other intervention needed.
 
So your horse has had laser therapy/surgery for sarcoids and your vets have not prescribed aftercare.??? Ask them about aclovir (?) and flamizine. Gob smacked...
 
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We've healed some whopping great open wounds, so with some experience...*sigh*

Best is to cover it lightly so that it stays moist, but with air flow, and the flies can't get at it. Cheap nappies pinned to the inside of an anti-rub vest worked well on a shoulder injury.

Honey is great (any honey, the sugar is the active ingredient). First clean the wound liberally with salt water (we use a squirty bottle), cover good skin below with protective vasaline, then slap on your cheap honey. Doesn't attract flies particularly, hasn't caused granulation or scarring, does seem to help healing. Every couple of days seems to be about right. VERY VERY MESSY! (you'll want vet gloves) Best if they're in a stable, and you can't cover the wound because of location.

If out and flies are a problem, Battles or similar (grease with deet in it) fly cream is better than nothing. You could also try 'jungle spray' or similar deet type product.
 
You must not put things like honey that encourage cell division on sarcoid sites you do not want to do things that promote fast healing sarcoid lasers get sites must not be treated like a normal wound you risk wasting the money and effort spent on the lasering
 
supagran said:
Did the vets not give you Aclovir (sp?) to put in the wound? I thought that was standard practice. I wouldn't put anything other than the Aclovir on it.
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I am speechless at the level of ignorance no wonder vets report more and more horses with sarcoids if they are lasering them and leaving the owners without understanding of want they must do for aftercare .
 
Goldenstar said:
I am speechless at the level of ignorance no wonder vets report more and more horses with sarcoids if they are lasering them and leaving the owners without understanding of want they must do for aftercare .
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Agree. Quite shocked. The aftercare my horse got was superb. Actually total process was superb. Thank you Paton and Lee.
 
When we had a horse lasered to get rid of sarcoids all round his inner thighs on his hind legs and sheath, the vet specifically told me to leave the (fairly gruesome) looking wounds well alone. We had them done later in the year, so that there was a very limited risk of fly infestation, and I didn't touch them or put any form of cream on them. He said to leave them open and uncovered, and while they would look rank, they would heal from the inside out - which they did, and didn't leave any scarring.

The vet was particularly keen that we didn't put anything on that would encourage flesh growth as we'd spent a lot of time and money removing "bad" flesh and he didn't want to run the risk of any more growing.
 
spacefaer said:
When we had a horse lasered to get rid of sarcoids all round his inner thighs on his hind legs and sheath, the vet specifically told me to leave the (fairly gruesome) looking wounds well alone. We had them done later in the year, so that there was a very limited risk of fly infestation, and I didn't touch them or put any form of cream on them. He said to leave them open and uncovered, and while they would look rank, they would heal from the inside out - which they did, and didn't leave any scarring.

The vet was particularly keen that we didn't put anything on that would encourage flesh growth as we'd spent a lot of time and money removing "bad" flesh and he didn't want to run the risk of any more growing.
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That will be a while ago they Now advise the use of antivirals ,and barrier creams if flys are still about .
 
Long story but feeling pretty angry at the treatment (or lack thereof) but it’s not for an open forum!

Let’s just say I’m fairly sure I’ll be switching vets!

Appreciate other people’s advice.
 
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Goldenstar said:
I am speechless at the level of ignorance no wonder vets report more and more horses with sarcoids if they are lasering them and leaving the owners without understanding of want they must do for aftercare .
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Yes can’t say I was impressed. Vet was very dismissive and keen to get us out of the Hospital. When I asked about after care, Basically had a “you’ll be surprised how quick it’ll heal and don’t ride for a few weeks”

I won’t even mention that when I picked her up she was covered in her own blood
 
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dollymix said:
Yes can’t say I was impressed. Vet was very dismissive and keen to get us out of the Hospital. When I asked about after care, Basically had a “you’ll be surprised how quick it’ll heal and don’t ride for a few weeks”

I won’t even mention that when I picked her up she was covered in her own blood
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Poor lass .
I would complain .
Have they given you pain relief for her ?
 
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