AHAR Animal Heaven Animal Rescue Exposed.

The way I am and a frequent use of the term acute - in significant pain and requiring intervention currently rather than general management input. I'm a hoof geek and a scientist I am well aware of the intricacies of lami and it's requirements.

As usual you seem to be heading off on a tangent and clearly don't know my posting history on things as you would then know that I am fully aware of the multitude of options for treating laminitis and that not all involve shoeing......

But regardless of the lami situation the same applies for the emaciated horses too.
 
So chocolate moonbeam - according to your own words ahar sent a pony with a n extremely serious ailment, that needed specialist shoeing to a person who was (in your words again) incapable of understanding the condition and didn't understand what the 'weird' shoes even were?

What any normal person picks up from this story is AHAR being at fault for
a. sending out a pony with a chronic illness
b. not explaining to the new owner what the 'weird' shoes were, why they were needed, or even checking up that they had a good farrier who understood why they were there

AHAr is 100% at fault here, not the new owner. They either didnt homecheck or follow that the footcare of a seriously in pain horse was going to be followed.

You can't send out a sick horse and then complain the new owner is at fault. That new owner should known exactly what condition that pony was going over in, exactly what was on its feet and why. AHAR didn't do that.
 
ester said:
The way I am and a frequent use of the term acute - in significant pain and requiring intervention currently rather than general management input. I'm a hoof geek and a scientist I am well aware of the intricacies of lami and it's requirements.

As usual you seem to be heading off on a tangent and clearly don't know my posting history on things as you would then know that I am fully aware of the multitude of options for treating laminitis and that not all involve shoeing......

But regardless of the lami situation the same applies for the emaciated horses too.
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Now who is heading off on a tangent.

I'm well aware that there is debate regarding the treatment of laminitis, however, in this case the pony was shod using specialist shoes which were promptly removed when the animal got to its new home.

I would argue that this is possibly what eventually led to the pony's unfortunate demise.
 
And where is hero now? Why can't anyone get an update.

I've had ponies go over to germany and if anyone asked about them i could get a full update and pictures in a day. I can't understand why this horse has disappeared. My best guess is its dead and they won't acknowledge it, otherwise, why not post a happy update showing where all the money went toget the vet treatment they were sure would work
 
An acute or chronic laminitic shoudnt be travelled unless there is no other option.

An acute or chronic laminitic having remedial shoeing should have the full case history and xrays sent with it

An acute or chronic laminitic almost certainly needs to be xrayed before every shoeing

An acute or chronic laminitic needs the original and new farrier to be put in touch to discuss ongoing management
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
I'm well aware that there is debate regarding the treatment of laminitis, however, in this case the pony was shod using specialist shoes which were promptly removed when the animal got to its new home.

I would argue that this is possibly what eventually led to the pony's unfortunate demise.
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BUT why did ahar not check the owner understood exactly what the ponies care involved. A simple check of 'this pony has to be shod x way, do you understand what these shoes are for?' would have solved the issue. But ahar just shipped off a pony in pain to an owner who only became away of the issue when it unloaded, and by all accounts did the correct thing calling a vet and farrier,
 
paddi22 said:
So chocolate moonbeam - according to your own words ahar sent a pony with a n extremely serious ailment, that needed specialist shoeing to a person who was (in your words again) incapable of understanding the condition and didn't understand what the 'weird' shoes even were?

What any normal person picks up from this story is AHAR being at fault for
a. sending out a pony with a chronic illness
b. not explaining to the new owner what the 'weird' shoes were, why they were needed, or even checking up that they had a good farrier who understood why they were there

AHAr is 100% at fault here, not the new owner. They either didnt homecheck or follow that the footcare of a seriously in pain horse was going to be followed.

You can't send out a sick horse and then complain the new owner is at fault. That new owner should known exactly what condition that pony was going over in, exactly what was on its feet and why. AHAR didn't do that.
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I didn't say she was incapable of understanding the condition.

Didn't homecheck you say, well since you are no doubt fully aware that this wasn't the first time this sanctuary had taken horses from AHAR I would imagine that had previously been done.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
I didn't say she was incapable of understanding the condition.

Didn't homecheck you say, well since you are no doubt fully aware that this wasn't the first time this sanctuary had taken horses from AHAR I would imagine that had previously been done.
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but you did, you said she didn't understand the 'weird shoes' which implies that she didn't understand the condition.

its like someone dealing with diabetes and not understanding what the 'weird injection' is. It implies someone doesn't understand a condition - and thats in your own word. You yourself (in your own words) gave out about the owner removing shoes. Why wasn't she told not to before she even recieved the pony. why wasn't the charity linked up intimately in the horses recovery programme with the new owner? AHARS fault.

And a homecheck isn't just a check of a place, its a check if someone understands the extent of an ongoing serious issue a horse has. And if you are complaining the owner is at fault - then that fault traces back to ahar for releasing that horse to the owner. Like you could release an exracer with kissing spine to someone with 5 star yard facilities, but unless they understood the correct riding and physio needed, then thats the wrong home. AHAR can't give away animals and then moan that the new owners are cruel and negligent.

Edited to say, i don't think the new owners were at fault, i think they just saw the poor pony and called vet and farrier, which is what anyone would do.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Now who is heading off on a tangent.

I'm well aware that there is debate regarding the treatment of laminitis, however, in this case the pony was shod using specialist shoes which were promptly removed when the animal got to its new home.

I would argue that this is possibly what eventually led to the pony's unfortunate demise.
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I am responding to the fact that you are posting links to articles which tell me nothing I don't already know and I'm not sure why! Nothing more. If the shoes shouldn't have come off ahar should have kept the pony or failing that as they didn't even though i think they should have communicated that to the new keeper and spoke to the new keepers vet and farrier regarding this as records should have been transferred between professionals.
 
paddi22 said:
but you did, you said she didn't understand the 'weird shoes' which implies that she didn't understand the condition.

its like someone dealing with diabetes and not understanding what the 'weird injection' is. It implies someone doesn't understand a condition - and thats in your own word. You yourself (in your own words) gave out about the owner removing shoes. Why wasn't she told not to before she even recieved the pony. why wasn't the charity linked up intimately in the horses recovery programme with the new owner? AHARS fault.

And a homecheck isn't just a check of a place, its a check if someone understands the extent of an ongoing serious issue a horse has. And if you are complaining the owner is at fault - then that fault traces back to ahar for releasing that horse to the owner. Like you could release an exracer with kissing spine to someone with 5 star yard facilities, but unless they understood the correct riding and physio needed, then thats the wrong home. AHAR can't give away animals and then moan that the new owners are cruel and negligent.

Edited to say, i don't think the new owners were at fault, i think they just saw the poor pony and called vet and farrier, which is what anyone would do.
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Like I said, none of us know what communication there was between AHAR and this lady, all we have is a media article written by the same journalist who wrote the rather suspect one last year.
 
Yet still no mention of the animals suffering at the hands of AHAR, are you an animal lover or a Gibbons lover? because honestly, I see no concern for animals coming from you.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Rescues rehome animals with ongoing health conditions all the time.
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What, on the rare occasion that rescues home an animal with any kind of ailment, let alone a life threatening one, they also include the entire official vet record so treatment could be on going. The do not transport animals that are exceptional sick and in pain across the Irish sea on a ferry.
 
ycbm said:
Other charities do home checks and follow ups. Why don't AHAR? You don't seem to give a damn what happens to your animals after you have passed them on? That's one of the big problems, it seems, and animals are being caused further suffering because of it.
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This. Reputable charities do home checks, AHAR do not, just send horses/ponies to anyone it seems, just to get them out of the way.
Rescues do not buy animals from fairs, this just encourages these people to over breed, be it dogs or horses.
It is not difficult to talk to people, and get a good idea about the experience (or otherwise) of the people you are talking to, so why keep blaming the people who rehomed these animals. It is up to AHAR to check the animals are gong to a SUITABLE AND EXPERIENCED home, not just abandon the animals with new people.
 
RoseMc said:
That is consider an ACUTE condition.
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O’Grady said laminitis follows a sequence of stages:

The developmental stage, when the internal damage to the lamellae occurs and which ends with the onset of clinical signs (such as pain, an increased digital pulse, and a laminitic stance);

The acute stage, which generally affords the horse’s caretakers a small window—24 to 72 hours or until the coffin bone begins to displace from its normal position in the hoof capsule—to intervene and reverse or halt the internal damage; and

The chronic stage, which generally begins within 72 hours after the acute stage began and during which time the coffin bone continues to move within the hoof capsule and clinical signs continue.

http://www.thehorse.com/articles/36794/tips-for-managing-acute-laminitis
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
I didn't say she was incapable of understanding the condition.

Didn't homecheck you say, well since you are no doubt fully aware that this wasn't the first time this sanctuary had taken horses from AHAR I would imagine that had previously been done.
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But surely it was not a good idea to rehome from one rescue to another? Or is Marianne, Swiftwood etc a sanctuary that would provide a permanent home?
 
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