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What am I doing wrong?

Got puppy on sat and since then at night he has been in a pen. It has some cuddly toys and some nice bedding in it.

First night he didn't settle for hours but next 2 he got much better and last night he settle straight away with no barking or howling etc.

So he settles till about 2.30am - 3am ish and then all hell breaks loose. As i hear him stirring I get up and let him out (sadly I just missed him this morning!) he has a run in the garden then goes back to 'bed' this is when he barks and howls for hours.

Its very easy to say ignore him but I live in a bungalow and my bedroom is opposite the kicthen and although its not too bad for me my OH has to be up for 5.15.

So at about 5 I waited for a few minutes silence then got him out and took him and my other dog into the living room where they both slept till about 15 mins ago.

Why can't he do this in his pen?

I am toying with the idea of scrapping the pen at night and letting them both have the run of the kitchen. I am picking up a large cage today and hope to use this when I am leaving him during the day.

I am just to so so so tired I knew it was going to be hard but I honestly didn't think he would howl for 3 hours at a time.

He is now curled up fast asleep on his bed with out the pen round it
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Any thoughts?
 
I would place the pen around the bed now whilst he is sleeping
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trouble maybe you do not have him in the crate enough during the day, generally when I have puppies in, they spend alot of time in the crate for the first few weeks whilst I establish a routine, if they fall asleep, I carry them to the crate, if I go out in the car, they come with me and are crated in the car,
I literally feed, toilet, tire out and crate, and repeat this until they are fully crate trained which normally takes no longer then a week, this way most of the crying is out of the system during the daytime.
Alot of new owners tend to make the mistake of not using the crate at all unless they are going to bed or out, otherwise they let the puppy be with them all day, they get to used to being with and around you.

I also sometimes have a crate in my living room, aswell as kitchen, so when im in another room which I spend alot of time in, the puppy can too, but in the crate, I don't tend to spend alot of time, letting them sleep on the chair next to me, or carrying them and cuddling them, I do all that once a routine is established, until them my emphasis is placed on tiring them out and getting a crating routine established, cos I certainly don't want to hear their screams at 6 months old, when I have to revert back to the crate after givinh in, and with us, these are rescue puppies, if we don't establish a routine, no one else with put up with it, so be have to persivere.

I never leave puppies out with my dogs, or when im not there, I would be to worried about them pestering my dogs which is not fair on them, and them snacking puppy, but I will place the crate beside the other dogs, and I dont want to have crap and wee all over the floor
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it's like more work and strings the housetraining out to long.

Try, coming down letting it out, no speaking or fussing jsut place straight outside, then pick up and place straight back in crate, then heat a heat pad, for it to snuggle back into, it's usually the heat of another animal/human/ that makes them feel secure and sleepy.
Try a snugger bed, like a sleeping blanket, they generally like to snuggle up, as opposed to lying on a flat bed.
 
he's tired from howling all morning!
with mine i has her in a crate by my bed for the first few nights. when she cried i put her on the paper for a wee then put her back in her house- not talking etc. if she wouldn't settle i began by putting my hand in her cage saying shhhhhhhh. then reduced this to a finger and gradually moved the cage away. it worked very well. if she settles with your other dog- i would be tempted to put the other one in the kitchen too.
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i agree with cala about the heat pad- i had a microwavable elephant. jelly (my jr) wouldn't fuss again untill thi was cold or she needed the loo
 
Fraid I can't offer much help as I've never had a puppy - so just offering sympathy as nobody else seems to have replied! I think the usual advice on here is to use a crate and don't give in to the whinging. When Cala or some of the real experts come online I'm sure they can give you proper advice! Good luck - and can we have some pics, plse?
 
This so reminds me of when I first had Beau, my Lab. She was a rehome and we were told she had never been in a house so would need an outside kennel and run.
My husband built a fantastic run attached to our 8' x 6' garden shed which we converted to a kennel for her.
The first night we brought her home we put her in her fabulous new run and my goodness, did she howl the whole village down!!!!!!
We brought her into the house and she just snuggled up to us and went to sleep. She has never used the run again!!! And she was no problem toilet training. She was 18 months old when we got her but had just been in a kennel all her short life.
She is the most faithful, brilliant dog we have ever had. we call her "Quality dog"
Sorry if I have not been much help but it so reminded me of this time.
Good luck with your puppy. It will come good in the end I promise.
 
Thank you for that very long and helpful reply. The routine has started and I am sitting here listening to a dog creating merry hell. Hopefully he'll be tired tonight though.

So my routine now is Feed at 6am in cage, out for toilets and a play then back in cage by 7am. Then the same at 12, 1800 and 2300 does this sound ok?

I am going to continue this until he is happily in his cage without making such a noise.

I have changed him from a pen to a small cage for today (am getting a bigger one tomorrow) as he keeps escaping from the pen!!!!

He has a cuddly toy some fluffy blankets and a hot water bottle to snuggle upto.

My other dog poor thing is soooooooo fed up with him. He will play with him happily but gets fed up of the constant barking and howling while he is caged.

Please someone tell me this is worth it!!!! I am back at work 2 weeks friday so hopefully have plenty of time to sort this out!!!!
 
We had this problem too but he settled after about 2 to 3 weeks. We left him to cry at first, awful and I felt terrible but as he went on for so long we had to get up in the end mainly because of the neighbours. I let him out for a wee and many times he didnt want one, then put him back in and went back to bed. As Cala said, we didnt use the crate enough during the day and only really when we went out or went to bed and we have had awful trouble with leaving him alone during the day. Our dog is now one and although we still have the crate, it is left open and he has the run of downstairs and seems much better. My problem now is getting rid of the crate as he loves it for sleeping in.
 
Our JRT never made a sound at night so has slept happily in her crate in the kitchen beside the radiator.

My mum's two howled the place down, so she gave in to them, and they both now sleep on my parent's bed.

Not something my hubby would have tolerated when we got ours, so I'm just glad she was so good.

Good luck - hope you turn the cormer soon.

Fiona
 
Personally I've always hated crates - I don't see why a puppy should be locked into such a tiny space?

I brought my pup home at 7wks (I know, too early, but the breeder insisted), never used a crate with her and never had any problems with her. During the night she was allowed to sleep in my bedroom, and never had any problems with noise - most nights she would sleep through, using puppy pads when she needed to. As for when we went out, she was left in a puppy-proof room with a baby gate across the door and again, was never any trouble.

Easy to their own I suppose, I'd never lock any puppy in a cage myself.
 
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