Akhal Teke stallion-Kambarbay

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Hi guys:D

Just out of curiosity, I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the stallion in the title, good or bad.A friend of mine is interested in using him and I said I'd ask around for opinions:)
 
I like him. His first babies aren't due until 2012 however he has already done well at his first BE events and by watching his videos seems a nice ride.

I have met him and he was a very sweet horse over the door especially considering he had a few spectators and another stallion had just done a covering.

Turned loose again he didn't disappoint. He is very althletic and I am looking forward to seeing the impact he makes in sportshorse breeding. Definately a contender for bigger mares who are looking to add some more blood.

Hope that helps but in any case the stud are very friendly and helpful so I wouldn't hesitate to get in touch :)
 
Thanks for that:D

Having met him, would you think that he would make a good cross for a cold blooded mare, to breed an eventing type? My friend has an ID mare and is looking for something lighter and more athletic to put to her mare to get a ISH type baby.She's also looking at a lot of TB's, but noticed this little lad on the way and is toying with the idea of something different:D
 
savia said:
Having met him, would you think that he would make a good cross for a cold blooded mare, to breed an eventing type? My friend has an ID mare and is looking for something lighter and more athletic to put to her mare to get a ISH type baby.She's also looking at a lot of TB's, but noticed this little lad on the way and is toying with the idea of something different:D
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Aaagghh! I would not put THAT on any mare - let alone an ID mare! He's a pretty colour - but I can't find much more that's good to say about him (well, maybe he's got a better shoulder than most A-T's! The Akhal-Teke is not a consistent breed - the 'types' are incredibly variable - you could get almost ANYTHING.

A good TB on an ID mare WILL get a nice foal if the mare is half-way decent.
 
JanetGeorge said:
I can't find much more that's good to say about him (well, maybe he's got a better shoulder than most A-T's!

A good TB on an ID mare WILL get a nice foal if the mare is half-way decent.
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How about he'd make a nice gelding?

I can't see what he could offer especially when you look at the photos of his ancestors on his stud card.
 
Oh dear looks like she's going to have to do some more research! Good thing I asked, as I personally know nothing about this breed, and I don't want her making a mistake with the sire.
 
Out of all the Cremellos I have looked at online (trying to understand the fascination) I thought he was one of the best.
Would I use him to breed a horse for sport? No.
 
LEC said:
Out of all the Cremellos I have looked at online (trying to understand the fascination) I thought he was one of the best.
Would I use him to breed a horse for sport? No.
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Is there any particular reason for not using him to get a sport baby?
 
I wouldn't personally discount tekes as sport horses (given that I event them :cool:) but I would not be crossing one with an irish draft. I think that you've got quite a chance of ending up with a 'cut and shunt' baby.
 
Meowy Catmas said:
Out of interest, what breeds do they cross well with, or is it best to breed only pure AT's?
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I have seen/worked with a few different crosses. There are a lot of arab-tekes around here doing endurance, I know of one rider who has at least 5 (but she does also compete a pure bred stallion).
I've also seen mustang x tekes as polo ponies and all rounders - one photo here
The most famous cross was with appaloosas, to create the nez-perce - some of which are nice lookin useful animals, some seem to inherit certain appy traits and certain weaker teke traits making them pretty fugly!
I have seen warmblood crosses (a stud using a couple of olderburg mares) but personally I find them a very 'useful' breed purebred
 
I think people are going to fall into three camps -

1 - people that dont like him. end of.
2 - people that like him and use him to see what they get
3 - people that like him but wait to see what everyone else gets first.

Im in camp three, I really like him but I'm not sure about the throwback theory, I dont like some of his ancestors at all and as they aren't that common it is very difficult to see how well he would cross, in my case with a TB.
I agree with SWTeke 'cut and shunt' baby, for an ID I would use a more tried and tested cross as JG suggests, TB.

If it is the cremello that she is interested in 'electrum' would be the perfect alternative.
IMO the Teke's will always split opinion, the siamese cats of the horse world, some love them, some hate them.
 
savia said:
Thanks for that:D

Having met him, would you think that he would make a good cross for a cold blooded mare, to breed an eventing type? My friend has an ID mare and is looking for something lighter and more athletic to put to her mare to get a ISH type baby.She's also looking at a lot of TB's, but noticed this little lad on the way and is toying with the idea of something different:D
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I like him as something a bit different too and I am looking forward to seeing his first crop of foals, following that I think your friend would be able to see if he would go well with her mare.

He is perlino and not cremello so if one were looking at him for colour that is another consideration.
 
Other than the fact he is a pretty colour I wouldn't use him on any mare personally, I agree with others if it wasn't for his colour, if he were a plain bay for example, would he still have his nuts? - I doubt it! I've seen worse tekes and I'm sure they are great for what they were bred for, but crossing to a mare who will be so far different from him conformationally is a huuuge gamble!! It would be like crossing a shire and a shetland - they are just too different. I don't like his long back and weak backend, he also looks pretty narrow and as they are a common traits in the breed maybe something that your foal inherits?!
For an ID mare that needs more blood I'd be looking at either TB's, WB's, even a really nice arab etc. as you are far more likely to get what you are after, I'd also be looking at proven sires so you have a rough idea what they tend to pass on.
 
I actually like him, which quite suprised me! I wouldn't use him to breed a sport horse tho.. look for something with a better performance record, a light framed WB maybe?
 
Personally, I would agree that the more proven cross, ie, TB, would be better and tbh I think she is leaning more that way as well, but like I mentioned she was also looking at something different and wanted to know what the likely outcome might be.

Thanks for all the opinions peeps:D
 
magic104 said:
Remember you can get throwbacks so would you have used his sire?
http://sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10566728
his sire

the dam
http://sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10566727
her sire
http://sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10509823

Always look back in the pedigree and not just the horse in front of you. This is especially important for young sires who dont have full pedigrees. Until you see what their offspring from various mares are like you have no idea how they will stamp their stock.
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Agree with the above, i wouldn't touch any of them!! So no would certainly not use him. They are so weak through ther hocks and have no back end at all. A smart TB or light warmblood who is more athletic would be what i would go for
 
kambarbay, one word WOW, is'nt he related to absent who went to the olympics?

a t's are really just part bred arabs to me, and yes some fall short, but so do a lot of other breeds, includng the graded ones of this and that breed etc

what are they putting him to? i"d really like to see the results, as i breed arab sport horses, the better ones are just the most elegant things !!!!!!
 
tristar said:
kambarbay, one word WOW, is'nt he related to absent who went to the olympics?
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Meh. My TB mare is closely related to EVERYthing. Doesn't make her a good racehorse.
Kambarbay is not an unattractive horse. Does he deserve to keep his balls?... IMO, Nope. He moves nicely, but his jump is, frankly, disappointing. And the fact that I can't find a decent confo pic of him stood up is VERY annoying and suspicious.
 
magic 104, you should always remember, ' a chaque son gout '

my stallion has 4 generations back, arguably the most influential arab horse of the latter half of the 20th century, Comet, and he is the spit of comet even down to exact colour, top breeding CAN and does come through, some stallions are very dominant.

having looked at the video of the irish draught stallions parade in dublin, although many are nice horses, there is only one there that i would use, everyone has their own perspective and not all of us follow the crowd, or take pxss out other peoples preferences.
 
tristar said:
having looked at the video of the irish draught stallions parade in dublin, although many are nice horses, there is only one there that i would use, everyone has their own perspective and not all of us follow the crowd, or take pxss out other peoples preferences.
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I don't think it's a case of 'following the crowd' or taking "pxss out other peoples preferences".

There are only a couple of the ID stallions in that parade I would consider using - and I breed irish Draughts. But I'm looking for stallions of a particular type, and strong in conformation areas where some of my mares are weak - as well as looking for stallions whose genetic make-up is 'right' for my mares.

But if I bred A-Ts, I wouldn't use that one because his conformation is so poor. I don't particularly LIKE A-Ts, but I've seen some that are MUCH better put together than that horse. While 'type' can be a matter of preference, conformation should never be - good conformation is good conformation - whatever the breed or type - and bad is bad!
 
when it comes to breeding i am not looking for a stallion to negate mare faults, i start with as near as possible to the ideal mare so i am free from that constraint, then add something new and exciting to the mixture, because this is the stage my breeding is at, after 4 generations, so i see things as they appear to my ambition.

kambarbay, when loose has a certain way of using himself, and agility, and when jumping those silly little jumps is not showing himself off, as yet, and i do hope that solaris sporthorses will give this young horse loads of time to develop and put his interests first.

i once had a perlino part arab stallion, its a very unusual colour and not to everyones taste but it suits him!
 
But why not, having gone to the trouble to find the priceless ideal mare, look for a well conformed stallion of whatever breed you choose?

If you are crossing breeds you don't need breed type hence the sporthorse types in the Dublin parade but poor conformation tends to pass on.
 
im missing something here so could someone fill me in (im not being smart!!)
if there isnt a decent conf. shot then how are you all so put off by his conf if you cant see it properly?! and what is it that you dont like specifically?
I cant see anything, weakness to an extent yes, but I would put that down to him only being a baby.
I really like him, but stick to my previous comment that Im waiting to see what his foals are like first, personally I think X with a TB might make a nice eventer, but a bit on a wait and see vote.
I also think he is bound to face some divide in opinion because they are so little known in this country, I have never (knowingly) seen one in the flesh, and im not sure it is entirely fair to judge him on offspring he hasnt had yet.
Im not in any way saying the seasoned breeders here are wrong but what I imagine is happening is people dont like his conformation/movement when actually it is good/true to type.
but, i could be wrong!! :p
 
amy_b said:
im missing something here so could someone fill me in (im not being smart!!)
if there isnt a decent conf. shot then how are you all so put off by his conf if you cant see it properly?! and what is it that you dont like specifically?
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Good conformation is an essential prerequisite of a potential sire. Breeders know this so if they're not showing it, makes me think they have something to hide. They have LOADS of photos on the site, PLUS a video and not ONE decent confo shot? Very suspicious.
It's not that I hate him, I just don't think he's exceptional and there are lots of stallions available that are.
 
I'm with amy_b on this one.

How can you say his conformation is crap and then complain there is no decent confo picture for you to study said conformation???

Which is it - who has seen him in the flesh to give a more accurate conformation description? It might be crap, it might be perfectly fine......
 
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