All round supplement for Cushings horse

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As title. Recommends please. I have been relying on him getting most of his bits and mins from a good diet but big wake up call. He is recovering from lami induced by Cushings. Still on Bute. Not overweight. Two weeks into prascend. He has protexin as he has been scouring. Also has a joint supplement.
 
Topspec antilam or lite, or thunderbrooks, have a look on the laminitis site on the forum, it recommends there good supplements feeds etc, and what to avoid (ie too much sugar/starch feeds)..soaked hay, deep shavings bed, gradual increase of prascend to stop any 'veil' occurring...
Have you had X Ray's of his feet to ensure correct balance by yr farrier? Should be off bute after 2weeks...well worth getting done..good luck
 
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definitely not top spec.

For my cushings I use equimins advanced complete, plus salt and high dose equimins vit e oil. I also feed micro linseed, alfalfa pellets and copra. This seems to work well

Other option is one of the forage plus ones, I think they do one for lami type horses. That would give you a good mineral and vit spec . I would also feed additional vit e oil (natural) with it. FP do one or you could use the equimins one with the FB supplement.
 
Not sure what to recommend long term but global herbs restore is brilliant for a recovering laminitic it clears the body of toxins so putting him on that for a few months at least will really do him good.

The scouring is common when they have laminitis because the unbalance starts in the gut so the restore will also help with this and get the gut balance back to normal by clearing the toxins.
 
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Pinkvboots said:
The scouring is common when they have laminitis because the unbalance starts in the gut so the restore will also help with this and get the gut balance back to normal by clearing the toxins.
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I'm sure it's now recognised that roughly 90% of laminitis cases are endocrine related. The ones who develop it after too much grass possibly have a degree of insulin resistance.
 
Magnesium is absolutely vital for anything with lamintis. Mine always had Progressive Earth and since his bout of lammi I've changed him to the one they do for laminitics. Make sure hes getting a decent dose of salt as well.

I'm also feeding mine cinnamon, nettle, brewers yeast and some milk thistle. They all have properties that should help, and cinammon in particular is proven to work for insulin resistance in people. It didnt cost me a lot, might not do anything at all, but it makes me feel a little bit less helpless :)
 
Regandal said:
I'm sure it's now recognised that roughly 90% of laminitis cases are endocrine related. The ones who develop it after too much grass possibly have a degree of insulin resistance.
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This, its pretty much a given now that if they have active lammi they have insulin resistance. Cushings complicates matters, but work on the basis that yours is insulin resistant and treat them accordingly at the least until the cushings is under control
 
Its not something I would want to feed. I cant find the full list of ingredients anywhere, but they talk a lot about yeast but dont mention magnesium. Maybe the spec is better than I think, but I know when I've looked before its not been something I would want to feed.
 
FrankieCob said:
Its not something I would want to feed. I cant find the full list of ingredients anywhere, but they talk a lot about yeast but dont mention magnesium. Maybe the spec is better than I think, but I know when I've looked before its not been something I would want to feed.
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i found the spec poor. However what really put me off it when I fed it to my cushings horse was that it kept him constantly footsore. Stopped the TS and a great improvement. They also gave me very very poor advice over the phone. Not a firm whose products I will use. Anyway there are so many better products available.
 
Forageplus - they do a generic mineral supplement based on averages of deficiencies across the country revealed in their forage testing samples. No filler, no additives for palatability, just the necessary minerals. And they are excellent for individual items such as amino acids (proteins for hoof growth) as well as being very helpful if you ask their advice. And The Laminitis Site is a great source of up to date and reliable information - with lammi based on PPID, the Prascend will make an enormous difference but you need to get the hoof healthy and balanced to heal properly. Thanks to the two organisations I have mentioned, my horse is sound and working again even though he almost dropped through his soles.
 
Interesting..spillers lite made my horse footsore..hence the swap to topspec antilam as recommended by The Laminitis Site feed recommendations... Finding the right combination for your horse is the main thing..try and keep it simple and it doesn't have to cost the earth! I never used magnesium and found equally good alternatives to the more pricey supplements/feeds..but that had the correctly balanced goodies that cushings/ems/lami horses need...good luck
 
Micky said:
Interesting..spillers lite made my horse footsore..hence the swap to topspec antilam as recommended by The Laminitis Site feed recommendations...
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Was that The Laminitis Site or the Laminitis Trust? The former don't endorse products, they are a charity run by dedicated people with the help of donations. They list products by sugar content but are careful to say they do not endorse or recommend. The Laminitis Trust do and some of the products are not, shall we say, the best. As a result they are not considered as impartial and reliable
 
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The laminitis site....don't trust the lami trust! Am well aware of what the laminitis site do, been following and asked advice for years now, tho FB page is inoperable at the moment, all other info is still available to general public...
 
Magnesium has been proven to work for EMS/lammi etc so I'm surprised they dont recommend that. Neither TS anti lam or Spillers lite are something I'd want to feed mine
 
FrankieCob said:
Magnesium has been proven to work for EMS/lammi etc so I'm surprised they dont recommend that. Neither TS anti lam or Spillers lite are something I'd want to feed mine
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Magnesium only works if there is a deficiency to rectify, although having said that, I gather much of the land in the UK is short of it - mine certainly is, and is high in calcium which tips the balance even further. Which makes a nonsense of Equifeast selling all and sundry a supplement based on calcium :o
 
Agree with JillA...magnesium didn't do a lot to help mine, tho maybe it works for others..what works for one doesn't necessarily work for another...as for recommendations, the laminitis site have done a lot of research and followed scientists etc ..hence their stuff is based on fact, not feed company plugging...but we have to feed what works for our darlings! Mine is looking better than he ever has in the 10 years I've had him and the last 4 years of diagnosed ppid...helped by prascend..
 
meleeka said:
I like Hack UP supplements but my fussy cushings mare won't eat it anymore. It was bespoke and including things for cushings and gut.
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Snap !! mine was eating it for 2 years + diagnosed a year ago and slowly stopped eating it especially when turmeric was added, bought another lot without and still wont' eat it so wasted £80+

As I had to change his feed he is now on Topspec fibre plus cubes soaked into a mash with their senior lite balancer and he's never looked better tbh
 
If its a calmer you're looking for try stepfree from hack up its amazing, doesn't sedate but makes them less reactive
 
Micky said:
Topspec antilam is more balanced for the ems/ppid/laminitic horse than many many of the other supplements...
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My horse got laminitis 7 years ago whilst on TS Antilam - I'd never touch it again. She has been on Progressive Earth Pro Hoof ever since and has never been been better.
 
My vet told me that if mine had been on Top Spec Anti Lam then I would have to stop it. Mine is an extreme case admittedly, but its not what I would call more balanced compared to Progressive Earth/forage Plus etc
 
When my horse (25 yo TB x wb) first had Cushings and started on Prascend, he refused to eat and turned his nose up at every new feed I tried him with - I think I must have tried about ten different feeds but as he was dropping weight dramatically, I was desperate to find something he would eat!

My local feed store recommended Topspec Comprehensive Balancer, so I thought I'd give it a try, but before I did I called the Topspec helpline who were very helpful and recommended the Comprehensive Balancer with their Cool Condition cubes. I had phoned all the feed companies to ask for their advice but I have to say that Topspec were the most helpful.

Anyway, I was extremely relieved when he ate it without turning his nose up, and he has not looked back and I've been loathed to change it three years on. He looks and feels fantastic, and although I can understand why some don't favour Topspec products, all I can say is that it has worked very well for my horse, and as I feed it at the recommended amount he should be ok for his vits and minerals.
 
Magnesium and Chromium plus Vitamins and minerals essential for a healthy immune system.
If you're feeding mostly hay you'll need to be sure your horse is getting enough Vits A & E as they're reducing in hay soon after its made
The diarrhea is often caused by the Prascend - it should give advise about that on the info list you get with the medication. When our mare suffered with it we followed the instructions - stopped the Prascend altogether for a few days until the diarrhea went away then restarted with a reduced dose which we then increased after a few weeks. No more problems after that
 
meleeka said:
I like Hack UP supplements but my fussy cushings mare won't eat it anymore. It was bespoke and including things for cushings and gut.
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Funny you should say that, this happened to me, he stopped eating the one I had with turmeric in so order it without but still won't eat it. Am glad in a way as he is now on topspec fibre plus cubes and the senior lite balancer and within a couple of months his tail is growing back (which was falling out) and his mane which rubbed last winter hadn't grown back much if at all up until this happened, my vet said its probably the protein in the balancer. For 2 years he ate the hack up but what I didn't realise was that he wasn't getting vits and mins from the bespoke supplements so over a period of time must have caused the lack of vits and mins in him. I too thought he would be getting enough from feed but couldn't have been. They recommended a vit and min supplement of their own but there was know point if he wasn't eating the supplements. With the balancer at least everything I want is in it and he's eating it.
 
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