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Been noticing alot of selling posts on here questioning why their horse is not selling. Yet there seems to be alot of people looking to buy aswell
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So what do you think?
People looking to buy are all looking for a certain type of horse?
Horses being sold are too pricey?
Sorry on night shift and I'm bored now
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Yes, I've noticed that.

But the common thread with the buyers seems to be bombproof hackers, where as the sellers seem to have young horses (with and without issues) and competition horses, there are also a smattering of Uni sellers.

It is the old thing of supply and demand.
 
Money and seller honesty. (In my case as a buyer).

There are far too many overpriced horses. Full stop.

It is simply not the case that because there are so many horses for sale it should be easy pickings for buyers, and none should ever be stagnant on the market, but buyers do have brains and are not going to buy something at ridiculously inflated prices just for the sake of buying.

The horses that you see for sale, that are not moving, have something wrong-At least one thing. Whether it is the horse that has the problem, or the prices, or just a good mixture of both.
 
I was having this conversation with a dealer friend the other day. The market is very slow at the moment.

The price of keeping horses, like everything else, has gone up recently.... and people are worrying about the credit crunch/increased costs of living and higher mortgage rates. Economic predictions for the near futur are very bleak.

People are keeping fewer horses, a few years ago it would be common for people to have a main horse and also a project, or an oldie, or a youngster coming on. Not so common these days.

People want to buy the finished product, not spend a year or so 'making' the horse... as that is a year of expenses.

I think lots of horses are offerd for far too much money. What they are offerd for and what they sell for are 2 different things.
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I am hearing a lot of people snapping up horses at greatly reduced prices, like half price. Ultimately a horse is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it.
 
most of the average horses are to overpriced imo !

its true they are either to old but still expensive or have issues or in my friends case there to big !!!

when i was a girl lol mum got my first horse for £750 and he was fantastic i did everything with him,won lots at sj did a bit of xc one in hand and ridden classes and he was a coloured i bet now he'd be worth about 4k lol !!!
 
Yes im guilty of being one of these people trying to sell a horse & probably quite wrongly worded a post as to why wouldnt he sell with a few details about him. at the moment, the difficulty is most private owners know the horse inside out back to front and we expect someone to come and make their mind up in a 1- 2 hour viewing, I would also be happier instead of people asking for the old comfort zone of BSJA winnings or BD Points ( difficult to get when the pros compete at the lower levels) , why dont they arrange with the owner to take the horse out to a show as part of the buying process I for one would be more than happy to do this at least they experience the horse in a competition atmosphere it may get a BD point or some BSJA winnings but whats the point if the horse wont stand on the box or is a complete stress head at a show ??.. there is a lot of toot on the market but I have found peope are suspicious before they even pick up the phone, there are a few of us honest people out here who genuinley want their horse in a good home and who want a fair return for the amount of work they have put in especially if they have sought professional help along the way. I also think a lot of people also in return need to be honest about their own abilities, if we are open and honest both ways life would be easier... and the horses might stay in the right permanent home.
 
I totally agree with the honesty and pricing of horses for sale.
I am looking again, and I appreciate that everything has increased in price over the year, but I was looking this time last year and finally bought last August and the difference in asking prices for more or less the same quality horse is frightening.

We all like to think that our horses are worth a chunk, but at the end of the day it all boils down to the price somebody is prepared to pay.

There are plenty of people looking to buy and plenty of people trying to sell, the pricing in the majority of cases prevents the two groups from being able to do the deal.

Also there are a lot of not so honest people/dealers out there so from my experiencefrom whom to buy from plays an important factor, parting with a reasonable amount of money and getting it wrong makes people wary about buying and may delay the process, even a 5 stage vetting doesn't guarantee anything really. Its truely hard on both sides of the fence.
 
My friend has been looking for the ideal horse for ages and still no luck! It amazes me how people can be so dishonest.

My frind has upto £7k to find a genuine PC horse for her 15year old and her to share the hunt is on!
 
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Yes im guilty of being one of these people trying to sell a horse & probably quite wrongly worded a post as to why wouldnt he sell with a few details about him. at the moment, the difficulty is most private owners know the horse inside out back to front and we expect someone to come and make their mind up in a 1- 2 hour viewing, I would also be happier instead of people asking for the old comfort zone of BSJA winnings or BD Points ( difficult to get when the pros compete at the lower levels) , why dont they arrange with the owner to take the horse out to a show as part of the buying process I for one would be more than happy to do this at least they experience the horse in a competition atmosphere it may get a BD point or some BSJA winnings but whats the point if the horse wont stand on the box or is a complete stress head at a show ??.. there is a lot of toot on the market but I have found peope are suspicious before they even pick up the phone, there are a few of us honest people out here who genuinley want their horse in a good home and who want a fair return for the amount of work they have put in especially if they have sought professional help along the way. I also think a lot of people also in return need to be honest about their own abilities, if we are open and honest both ways life would be easier... and the horses might stay in the right permanent home.

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I disagree on a few points here.

Firstly, you are not 'guilty' of selling, and I do not believe there was anything wrong with your post, other people do exactly the same thing and I for one see no reason why they should do so and not you.

Secondly, I do not believe that BSJA or BD winnings are a 'comfort zone', if I was looking for a horse like yours and at his price point (really like him BTW), I would expect, at his age, to see some points or money on his card. Can't speak for BSJA, but certainly at BD this is NOT difficult, by the time my horse was 8, she had 80+ points and I am by no stretch of the imagination a professional, she gained 20pts in three outings, so, if the horse has talent (and yours does appear to) you can acrue them very quickly. Yes, I agree that it is important that your horse does not loose his head at a show, but without the proper evidence on record - how do we know that this is actually the case? I believe you are an honest seller but how do I really know?

Thirdly, whilst I think your horse is super and doubtless would go further in dressage (my interest), in the present climate, sadly he is too expensive. I speak from experience, all last year I tried to sell a very well bred, good moving youngster, dropped the price by £1500 in January and she was sold in a couple of weeks, to a perfect home.

I do hope you find the perfect home for your boy and would snap him up myself at £7 - £8k if I did not have so many!
 
Everyone wants bombproof first and foremost it seems, then some people want competion talent on top of that, and they want quality.

It costs a lot to produce a horse from stud fees through to winnings, and I think this is reflected in the price of a lot of horses. Unfortunately with costs rising the production costs rise, but people have less to spend buying, bit of a catch 22.

Right now I have 2 more horses than I really should have (they aren't for sale) and I have people trying to give me horses for free - nice ones at that, but I really can't afford to keep any more, it's tight as it is and getting tighter.

I'm in a position where I have been able to take project horses, the sharper quirky types and get on well with them, but I find it strange, most of the people I know think I'm mad bonkers, or have balls or whatever, when in actual fact I'm just normal and the quirks are mostly due to not enough work, and too little exercise or people panicking if a horse jogs or spooks.

I used to breed, and have 3 real quality mares, the sort stallion owners are offering free coverings to, but I'm not breeding this year, I don't think there is enough of a market in this financial climate for horses that have a bit about them (I'm not talking pro horses, just sparkle).

I think that things will get worse
 
I think, in my experience, that the problems are two fold.

Horses are too expensive these days. People are asking unrealistic amounts of money, which seems to double as soon as the horse does any kind of affiliated competition. What makes a horse thats done a DC at BN worth 6-8k? There is just a huge gap in the market. Anything thats done anything affiliated seems automatically to be priced upwards of 8k, even if realistically they're only a good quality allrounder. People with that amount of money to spend usually either want something completely established that will do the job with its eyes shut and win, or they want something with serious potential for the future. If its only ever going to be a quality allrounder but it needs more work to get there, then it can't command the prices that are being asked.

Yet on the buyers side, everything is competition orientated. If it hasn't competed much, possibly because the owner has no transport or whatever, then there must be something wrong with it. People seem to expect horses that are push button and perfect but don't want to pay the price for one that is. Also, nobody these days seems to want a horse over the age of 8. When I sold Paris, she eventually sold at around 4k, as a quality allrounder to do top end PC stuff, lower end affiliated stuff - acknowledging that she still needed some work on her flatwork, and that she hadn't a recent competition record. A lot of the people who came to try her really wanted the kind of horses that are priced at 8-10k, and expected her to be as completely pushbutton and perfect as that but without the price tag - they didn't want anything that needed any effort to ride.

I think that was a bit rambling, but anyway, that's my view on why the market is so slow at the moment. A lot of horses are overpriced for what they are, and for the market they're aimed at, and a lot of buyers are seeking perfection but without the price tag that goes with it.
 
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