Allen & Page Calm and Condition

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I have recently put my boy onto Calm and Condition to hopefully help him gain some weight after some stunning acrobatics on Build-up and Baileys No.1 (which I promptly took him off).

I was recommended to feed him 2kg dry weight soaked with 3 times as much water and some chaff. This is a heck of a lot of feed once it's soaked! Can someone tell me if this seems right.

Has anyone fed this? What results have you had? I need something to put condition on his without fizzing him up.

Thank you!
 
I have found this stuff really good for keeping the weight on my mare as I can't feed her anything cereal based as she goes loopy and can be a bit fussy sometimes.
 
We fed it to all the show horses. Def didnt feed that much tho!!

we used it with hifi lite and pony nuts and then no more than a round scoop-and that was the heavyweight hunters!
 
Thats what the bag says... However the bag does not state weather or not it is dry weight... Ted is on half scoop dry weight each end and bloom chaff from molichop.. And he is gaining weight already.. Although to me honest.. i now have to pony club kick Ted to get him to move!

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I have always found that the quantities given on the side of the bag always seem excessive so I give a lesser amount than they recommend.

As for Calm & Condition I used it on my Hann x TB & found that it did the opposite & it sent him hyper. I believe it is the barley that is used in the feed. I changed him onto Ride & Relax, which is barley free, Hifi Lite & Blue Chip & he is now at ideal weight & has calmed down considerably. He's been on that now for 2-3 years & competes at affiliated show jumping & never runs out of steam yet remains chilled.
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I use this for both my boys, one scoop soaked befween the two, this is soaked in appox 5 scoops of water, mixed with Hi Fi Lite.. the get this amount twice a day
 
Sidneys on this but not on the amount it says on the bag. He has about 1/2 of a scoop mixed with two scoops of water and then a scoop of chaff. He gets this twice a day (or does when he's working).
Its not heated him up and he can be a grade A lunatic.
 
On the bag it says to do twice as much. My 14hh welsh cob had 1 and a half of the stubbs scoop of calm & condition and then 3 scoops of the stubbs scoops of water. By the time we've got the chaff and sugar beet in it fills up the feed bucket! Boomer loses weight very easily (even though he is a welsh cob) and it maintains him at a good weight, so I would recommend it. We had a lady from Allen & Page up our yard to recommend feeds and check that we were all feeding our horses correctly, and she said that calm & condition actually has quite a lot of energy in it (the j/kg is the same as the light competition mix!). It's perfect for my pony who is hard to keep weight on and does quite hard work (he is ridden every day and does BSJA showjumping).
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We put one of ours (when we got him he was quite underweight) on Allen and Page Weight Gain and that worked very well. Did not seem to heat him up but then he's not that fizzy really anyway (although gets v silly if he has any oats - it's quite a dramatic change in him!)
 
We put one of our horses on this as he had bad allergy reactions to grain based feed. However like the others above gave hime much less than recommended, a third scoop with more than double the amount of water and alfa, and as much haylage as he wanted. Have just started to add multi vits and minerals and a little linseed oil, to help his coat condition, as he was quite poor when we bought him. He is certainly looking much better now. He is not fizzy at all on this.
 
It is an excellent feed!

It is the best comercial conditioning feed in so far as it is very low sugar/starch. There is no junk in it to give them power surges.

Bear in mind, that people feed conditioning feeds because their horse is lacking condition... a horse lacking condition 9 times out of 10 is feeling run down, so it won't be full of get up and go. Once they are fed conditioning feeds, they feel better in themselvs, so they do perk up a bit. This is very different from becoming heated by cerials and sugars. It is just their way of telling you that they feel great.

As for Calm and condition, I had a horse who was sugar/starch intolerant... anything with a suspicion of sugar and starch made him tie up... he was fine on C&C. Some horses turn their noses up at C&C because it is not full of the junk, ie sugar, that most comercial feed contains at high levels to make it palatable. If it is fed at high levels your horse needs time to re-educate its tastebuds so that he is thasting the feed, not the sugar.

The quantities they tell you to feed are so that your horse recieves the correct level of vitamins and minerals, you could reduce the quantity and still get the 'build up' benifits, but you might have to ensure that he is getting all the vits/mins he needs from another source. This is why the quantities prescribed vary acording to whether the horse is on summer or winter grazing.

I suggest that you start off by introducing the feed slowly, mixed with some chop like Alfa A oil, and see how things go. After all you want weight gain to be slow and healthy. Also, the grass will come through in the next few weeks, so your horse will naturaly build up on that.
 
My TB's are both on this & has been the only feed I have found that does what I want and stuck to in years I feed them half a scoop with half a scoop of HI-FI Lite twice a day. They are in light work in the winter. One of them who always looses condition in the winter and is very hard to keep weight on him has never looked better and kept his weight on every & all winter since on this feed. It takes alot of water (3 or 4 times it's weight) and they recommend leaving it soaking for 10-15mins before you feed. I do this and always add more water if needed.
Allen & Page had alot of complaints about this feed swelling up inside the horse if not fed correctly hence the new packaging with the instructions on how to feed it correctly.
 
Bails has thrived on the stuff, hes around 25, he has a stubbs scoop spilt between breafast and tea with a scoop of hi-fi senior through the winter and half that through the summer, he has a sensitive tummy and is difficult to keep condition on. Would thourghly recomend, this is him at the end of last summer

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I feed Ride & Relax, are you supposed to soak this? I noticed it said about adding water, which I do just to dampen but don't soak it and I haven't had any probs (been feeding it all winter).... eek will go and look at the bag now!!?
 
Have one of mine on C&C at the moment, she has just finished the first bag and the difference is very pleasing and she has not gone silly on it at all.
 
Errr.... Are you supposed to mix C & C with water? I have just put my boy on it and he is only on 1/4 scoop at the mo as I am reducing the pony nuts (he gets 1/4 scoop of these too) as well as Alfa A & sugar beet. He is going to come off the SB & pony nuts once these are finished.

This was suggested to me by a friend. I have mainly kept him on what he came with and he seems to be looking better.

Goodness feeding is a minefield!
 
I Have been using clam and condition now for about three months, my horses are doing very well on it.
Their coats are lovely soft and shiney, all look very well on it, My food bills been allot less too
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As for Calm & Condition I used it on my Hann x TB & found that it did the opposite & it sent him hyper.

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When I first bought my mare 5 yrs ago, as a 6yr old, she was full of spirit and so anxious and wound up all the time. This is one feed that I tried her with as even the cool mixes seemed to send her fizzy and irritable. This C & C wasnt any different. It sent her fizzy. But it is trial and error as every horse is different.
 
Guys

Thank you all so so much for your fab replies. Think i'll slowly build up the amount and see how we get on. I'll definitely stick with it as most of you seem to highly recommend it.

Thank you!! x
 
Had our lot on it for a long time they did ok on it, ive just changed to spillers conditioning mix and after 3 weeks ive seen i big differance plus its easier to feed and there is not as much to feed.
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I have had my horse on this for 6 weeks and have been really impressed with the results i did find that having to soak it morning and night was a bit of a fuss though so now i soak it in a big tub the same as i do with my speedi beet and that work just as well and is alot quicker! I have also got him on alen and page weight gain which is very good but he has got alot of energy on it! Not that i mind as he is competing BSJA so alls good
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I was advised by my vet to try non cereal hi fibre feed for my part bred arab who seriously lost weight over the winter, I used C & C, hi fibre nuts and veteran chaff (again advised by vet), with fantastic results
 
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Errr.... Are you supposed to mix C & C with water?

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Yep you need to add quite a bit of water and mix the chafff in then stir and leave for a few minutes, if you haven't been soaking it then you will be amazed how much feed there actually is!
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Bag says it doesnt contain barley?
lou x

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It doesn't contain barley but DOES contain maize (or did last time I read the ingredients list) which is one of the starchiest (and therefore most fizz-making of cereals). The marketing is misleading because the fact that A&P claim it is barley and oat free leads many to believe that it is actually cereal-free when it is not.

In fact it's starch levels aren't much less than some other conditioning feeds! For example, Spillers conditioning mix is 20% starch and C&C is 19% starch.
 
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